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New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:47 pm

This is an invitation to participate in the Eighth Annual New Trier Scobol Solo, to be held on Saturday, November 22. New Trier is located in Winnetka, Illinois, North of Chicago.

Unlike most other tournaments, this one will feature one-on-one matches (i.e. no teams). Each match will consist of twenty tossup questions without bonuses. Each individual who enters is guaranteed seven matches, which will take place from 9:00-3:00. We will then have a Championship Match at 3:30 featuring the top nine students all playing at once. The cost to participate is $30 per player for the first fifteen players on your team. If you can supply an experienced moderator, then the cost is only $20 per player for the first ten players, and it is only $10 per player if you have two moderators. I am willing to negotiate if you have more than two moderators. Lunch will be provided for everybody. Keep in mind that moderators will be unable to watch their own players' matches. Even if you don't moderate, there will be several times that some of your students play at the same time. If you wish to enter more than fifteen players, they will be entered on a standby basis. If there is room for them to play, they will play for free. I will let you know by November 5 how much room we have--we are hoping to have exactly 128 students total.

The questions are all written by me, the New Trier Coach. Old questions (over 2000 of them, with an index) are at: http://org.newtrier.k12.il.us/activitie ... /solo.html. The website also has an entry form which can be printed out.

The tournament is set up so that matches always feature two students with identical records.

Please return the enclosed form with a check. If you want to hold some spaces for your school while your business office is cutting the check, email me at reinsted@newtrier.k12.il.us, call me at (847)784-6616, or post here. Reserve spaces by November 7. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:17 pm

As of now, we are holding spaces for Auburn (6), Buffalo Grove (5), Fenton (4), Homewood-Flossmoor (5), Lake Zurich (2), Latin (5), Lisle (1), Loyola (15), Maine East (4), Saint Ignatius (5), Springfield (4), and Wheaton Warrenville South (10). The maximum field size is 128.

The Solo categories this year, in order, are Interdisciplinary, Pyramidal Math, World Literature, Current Events, Biology, Music, United States History, Physics, Vocabulary, Religion/Mythology, Pop Culture, Geometry/Trigonometry, Nonfiction, British Literature, Geography/Earth Science/Astronomy, Algebra, Art/Architecture, Chemistry, United States Literature, and World History. There will not be Technology questions this year.

We also posted info for our Varsity Tournament on December 20 at http://org.newtrier.k12.il.us/activitie ... rsity.html
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by JackGlerum » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:04 pm

Lime, Self and Society wrote:There will not be Technology questions this year.
Yay.
Lime, Self and Society wrote:Vocabulary
Nay.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by BGSO » Thu Oct 23, 2008 11:15 pm

Vocabulary? Are you trying to give A certain IMSAnite one question a match?

Though, after my last year's performance of going 0 for 7 on Tech questions, the prospect of vocab is a little more exciting.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:36 am

Vocabulary is replacing Language Arts, but they're really the same thing, at least the way I'm writing them.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:32 am

Current field: Auburn (12), Bloomington (2), Buffalo Grove (5), Carbondale (6), Fenton (3), Homewood-Flossmoor (5), IMSA (7), Lake Zurich (2), Latin (5), Leyden (3), Libertyville (5), Lisle (1), Loyola (15), Maine East (4), Maine South (2), New Trier (5), OPRF (5), Saint Ignatius (5), Saint Patrick (3), Springfield (4), Sterling (5), Stevenson (3), Wheaton North (6), and Wheaton Warrenville South (10).

There are only five spaces left, so let me know very soon if you want to join us.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by JackGlerum » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:55 pm

Fun tournament.

1. Siva Sundaram
2. Joe Ahmad
3. Tony Cao
3. Ben Cohen

Video of the last 4 tossups (on my crappy 2.0 megapixel camera and with regrettable self-aggrandizing comments)

I really wish I had video of Sorice and Gauthier getting the tossups that went dead.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:01 am

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:25 am

These questions are pretty mediocre, IMO.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:36 am

Sir Thopas wrote:These questions are pretty mediocre, IMO.
Why do you think so?

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by vcuEvan » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:30 am

JackGlerum wrote:
Sir Thopas wrote:These questions are pretty mediocre, IMO.
Why do you think so?
I haven't read the whole set but from looking at the first round:

"This author wrote a few plays"

"This is the maiden name of Gordon Smith’s mother"

"Most of his early works were motets and madrigals"

"(Note to moderator: No singing or laughing, please.) According to a song in a very famous movie, what is the one answer to the following questions:"

"She had enough schooling to be a psychologist, but she never became one"

Leadins and clues like this are generally considered inappropriate because they don't help people buzz.

That Oscar Wilde tossup is solid though.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:02 am

Yeah, more or less what Evan said. The set is full of questionable tossup choices, garbage lead-ins and middle clues, inappropriately easy lead-ins, and so on. I'm too busy to do a more thorough analysis right now, but those were just my initial thoughts about them.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Theory Of The Leisure Flask » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:05 am

Adamantium Claws wrote: "Most of his early works were motets and madrigals"
Not having looked at the set: is this Monteverdi?

ed, having now looked at 2008 and 2007: Yeah, there are quite a few vague "clues" here, my above guess notwithstanding. Looks like it's a heck of a lot better than last year, though.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Siverus Snape » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:19 am

Yeah, it's Monteverdi.

I'll agree that the set as a whole doesn't quite measure up to a college-written or HSAPQ set. Considering that (as far as I know) every single one of the nearly 400 tossups was written by Mr. Reinstein, however, I'm not at all disappointed with the results. The questions were cleaner and better-edited than they were in any of the past years, and the occasionally egregious missteps ("Daddy" as the first clue in a Sylvia Plath question that didn't mention The Bell Jar by name) didn't have too much of an effect in the long run.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:36 pm

To put this tournament in context, it is for individuals rather than teams, and the lead-ins that some of you would find too easy in actuality don't lead to a lot of buzzer races. Keep in mind that in last year's tournament over half the questions went dead. There are some lead-ins in this tournament that I would not use as lead-ins between strong teams. Additionally, matchups between strong players occur in odd numbered rounds after the first round and generally occur as the day gets later and later, so I am more careful about lead-ins in those rounds. I would think that strong players would like Rounds 9, 11, and 13 and the Championship more than the other rounds.

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Here's a question I have related to the 'few plays' quote above: If a question has about 80-90 words and about 8-10 clear buzz points, is it acceptable for the first good buzz point to not show up until about 15 words in? I think this is a fair description of that question in particular and several others throughout the set. The delay sometimes comes about because of some set up that is clearly not unique or because of the way the first sentence is worded.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by vcuEvan » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:44 pm

Shcool wrote: Here's a question I have related to the 'few plays' quote above: If a question has about 80-90 words and about 8-10 clear buzz points, is it acceptable for the first good buzz point to not show up until about 15 words in? I think this is a fair description of that question in particular and several others throughout the set. The delay sometimes comes about because of some set up that is clearly not unique or because of the way the first sentence is worded.
This is a valid point I guess, but that questions goes on to say "This author wrote a few plays, including adaptations of works by Faulkner and Dostoyevsky," instead of specifically saying which works he adapted, making the question vague and only guessable. I don't have a problem with easy lead ins, it's the useless and pointless clues that bug me. To be fair these questions seem to be mostly pyramidal and have mostly well thought out answers.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Captain Sinico » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:23 pm

I don't know, Coach. Whether a question eventually goes dead or not is largely a function of its answer, not of the clue order or density. If we hold answers constant, there's no reason having better-ordered, denser clues will change the difficulty. I want to agree that, very often, you had a lot of filler where solid clues would be better.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Sir Thopas » Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:32 pm

Just to add to that: if the questions are going to have easier lead-ins and stuff, that's fine, but does not in the least justify having tossups on Kirkuk, Tomaso Albinoni, Jablonski diagrams, Michael Servetus, Tapestry by Carole King, Ode on Melancholy, John Dean, the optic chiasm, and so on. These may be from the finals round, but even so, these are absurd.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:32 pm

Shcool wrote:To put this tournament in context, it is for individuals rather than teams, and the lead-ins that some of you would find too easy in actuality don't lead to a lot of buzzer races. Keep in mind that in last year's tournament over half the questions went dead. There are some lead-ins in this tournament that I would not use as lead-ins between strong teams.
A fair point, as there are many people who attend this event who hardly go to any Saturday tournaments. That doesn't mean that there can't be harder lead ins, however. Sets can be accessible while challenging.
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Rococo
I can only name two Rococo artists. Fragonard and Watteau. The latter shouldn't be in the first sentence.
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Details about The Traveller, The Deserted Village, and She Stoops to Conquer should come before his most famous character.
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His earliest known work is about the Battle of Salamis, and one of his other early works involves the fighting between the sons of Oedipus. His best-known works may be a series of plays dealing with Agamemnon and his offspring. Name this author who lived around 500 BCE and wrote The Persians, Seven Against Thebes, The Oresteia, and possibly Prometheus Bound.

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Short, probably a difficulty cliff, and vague lead in. I can't point to one thing that is wrong with this, but it definitely needs work.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Captain Sinico » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:01 pm

JackGlerum wrote:...Should anyone before ~1000 BCE be called "an author"?
Yes? This is a bizarre objection.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Deviant Insider » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:28 pm

Sir Thopas wrote:Just to add to that: if the questions are going to have easier lead-ins and stuff, that's fine, but does not in the least justify having tossups on Kirkuk, Tomaso Albinoni, Jablonski diagrams, Michael Servetus, Tapestry by Carole King, Ode on Melancholy, John Dean, the optic chiasm, and so on. These may be from the finals round, but even so, these are absurd.
As became obvious during the playing of it, I did make the Championship too difficult. Of the ones you listed, only Servetus got answered correctly. (Dean and chiasm were never asked.)
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by JackGlerum » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:42 pm

Captain Scipio wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:...Should anyone before ~1000 BCE be called "an author"?
Yes? This is a bizarre objection.

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Alright, I thought that might be the case. I've just never heard Aesc/Soph/Eurip called anything but playwright.

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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by Siverus Snape » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:10 pm

Yeah, I might have gotten Ode on Melancholy if I had actually been paying attention to the question (probably the dumbest neg of the round for me), but only because we're studying Keats in English class right now.
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Re: New Trier Scobol Solo (11/22)

Post by rjaguar3 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:58 pm

I had nothing better to do, so I used some formulas to determine the least answered and most answered questions of the tournament.

QUESTIONS THAT WERE UNANSWERED

Physics R 9 (Energy on a capacitor calc.)

QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY 1 PLAYER

World Lit R10 (Nausea)
Jack Glerum (LA)
Current Events R13 (Lilly Ledbetter)
Alex Harrison (BG)
Vocabulary R 8 (Maudlin)
Rohan Taneja (Lib)
Religion/Myth R 4 (Sibyl)
Grant Rotskoff (IMSA)
Nonfiction R10 (Working [oral history])
Jules Reich (NT)
Algebra R 4 (Copier rates calc.)
Robert Volgman (Lat)
Algebra R12 (Absolute value graph calc.)
Miles Kovich (IMSA)

QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY 2 PLAYERS

World Lit R 2 (Francois Rabelais)
Catherine Groden (LA)
David Sanchez (ME)
Current Events R 1 (Udall family)
Ben Cohen (NT)
Rishi Misra (WWS)
Music R11 (Ornette Coleman)
Alex Cash (WWS)
David Garb (BG)
Music R12 (Mame)
Will Abraham (LA)
Jules Reich (NT)
Art/Architect. R14 (Hearst castle/ranch)
Dan Kunath (SP)
Mike Penicnak (Fent)
Chemistry R 8 (Chain reaction)
Ankai Xu (Carb)
Marcel Youkhna (LA)

QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY 3-5 PLAYERS
Pyr. Math R 3 (Plane) [4]
World Lit R 6 (Li Po) [4]
Current Events R 7 (Cynthia McKinney) [4]
Biology R14 (EEG) [4]
Music R 8 (Billie Holliday) [4]
US History R 2 (Battle of Pea Ridge) [3]
US History R12 (Jerry Falwell) [5]
US History R14 (Medgar Evers) [3]
Religion/Myth R10 (Salah) [3]
Pop Culture R 8 (Born to Run) [5]
Geom/Trig R 2 (angle in circle calc.) [5]
Nonfiction R 4 (Tom Wolfe) [4]
Nonfiction R 8 (Hunter Stockton Thompson) [3]
British Literature R 2 ("Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Night") [3]
British Literature R 5 (Gerard Manley Hopkins) [5]
Geog/ES/Astro R13 (Deneb) [4]
Algebra R10 (Intersection of 2 circles calc.) [3]
Chemistry R12 (Osmotic pressure) [4]
US Literature R 3 (The Caine Mutiny) [4]
US Literature R10 (Gwendolyn Brooks) [5]
World History R 6 (Robert Walpole) [4]

QUESTIONS ANSWERED IN EVERY ROOM
Interdisc. R 1 (Water) [33 correct answers!?]
"Identify this substance which could be called dihydrogen monoxide"
Interdisc. R 5 (Pi)
"Give this number equal to the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter."
Interdisc. R 6 (Mercury)
"Give this Roman equivalent of the Greek God Hermes."
Interdisc. R12 (Five)
"Give this number, equal to the number of nations that have permanent veto status in the UN Security Council and the number of starters on a basketball team."
Pyramidal Math R11 (5/8)
"Give this fraction equal to one-half plus one-eighth."
Current Events R 6 (California)
"Name this state whose Governor is Arnold Schwarzenegger."
Current Events R 8 (Sarah Palin) [34 correct answers!?]
"Name this Governor who was John McCain’s running mate."
US History R 1 (Stonewall Jackson)
"Name this Confederate General who acquired his famous nickname at the First Battle of Bull Run."
Physics R12 (Issac Newton)
"Name this physicist whose three laws form the basis of classical physics."
Pop culture R 5 (Monty Python)
"Name this group that included Terry Jones, Eric Idle, and John Cleese and made the movies The Meaning of Life, Life of Brian, and The Holy Grail."
Nonfiction R12 (Barack Obama)
"Name this politician who just won a big election."
British Lit R13 (Macbeth)
"Name this work sometimes referred to as The Scottish Play."
Geo/ES/Astr. R10 (Alabama)
"Name this state that contains the cities of Muscle Shoals, Huntsville, Birmingham, and Montgomery."
Chemistry R 2 (Baking soda)
"Name this chemical also known as Sodium Bicarbonate."
Chemistry R 4 (Neutron)
"Name these subatomic particles that are slightly more massive than protons and have no electric charge."
Chemistry R10 (Sulfur)
"Name this element, often found in acid rain, with atomic weight 32 and atomic number 16 that is represented by a capital S."
World History R12 (Alexander the Great)
"Name this leader who defeated Darius the Third, cut the Gordian Knot, and controlled much of the known world during the 4th Century BCE."

Total questions answered by category (out of 448 possible correct answers):
Interdisciplinary 381
Geog/ES/Astro 312
Pyramidal Math 292
US History 290
Biology 283
Vocabulary 283
Pop Culture 274
Physics 266
Chemistry 265
Art/Architecture 256
World History 251
Current Events 244
British Literature 230
US Literature 224
Religion/Myth 219
Geom/Trig 202
Music 187
World Literature 186
Nonfiction 185
Algebra 154
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