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April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:38 am
by pblessman
Last spring, sixty-six teams from across the US competed in the First Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship, and this year's pre-nationals edition will launch on April 29. In the Goldfish Championship, your team can compete on NAQT questions against teams from all across the nation (and the maybe even the world) without having to leave your school.

All participating teams will be e-mailed a specially written NAQT packet with 30 TU and 24 PLEASE MAKE FUN OF ME BECAUSE I SPEAK NEITHER LATIN NOR ENGLISH, and on (or about) April 29 each team will get out their buzzer system and play a match against their favorite goldfish (i.e. NO opponent), moderated by the team coach (hence the tournament name!). The coach records the TU and Bonus scores for each question as well as on which word the team buzzed in and submits this info in Excel format.

The data will be analyzed to come up with two groups of results: The first list will show how many points each team scored against their goldfish on 24 TU/Bon, while the second group of data will show head-to-head scores for all possible permutations of teams. This means that if a hundred teams compete in this tournament, you will be able to see how you stack up against ninety-nine other teams!

The entry fee per team is $10; each school can enter as many teams as they like. The entry fee must be submitted by April 27 via PayPal to Phil Blessman at pblessman [at] yahoo [dot] com, or by snail-mail, payable to "Culver Academies" to Culver Quizbowl, c/o Phil Blessman, 1300 Academy Road, Culver, IN 46511. Please also feel free to write Phil at the same e-mail address if you have any questions! We hope you can all make it!

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:50 am
by BGSO
Heh, I was just about to ask when this announcement would be posted. Expect us to do it, I just need to convince our coach to send you a check.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:21 pm
by Matthew D
Phil I will have at least one team

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:54 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
We're definitely doing this. Perhaps two teams... but i'll try to figure out if we can do that.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:40 pm
by The King's Flight to the Scots
Two questions:

1. When you say "or about," does that mean that we can don't have to do it exactly that day? Our practices are normally on Thursdays; we can change it to Wednesday easily, but if we don't need to, we'd like to know.

2. How will this data deal with buzzer battles (i.e., two teams buzzing on on the same keyword)?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:47 am
by Judson Laipply
ColJade wrote:Two questions:

1. When you say "or about," does that mean that we can don't have to do it exactly that day? Our practices are normally on Thursdays; we can change it to Wednesday easily, but if we don't need to, we'd like to know.

2. How will this data deal with buzzer battles (i.e., two teams buzzing on on the same keyword)?
Last time, they gave each team half of the points.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:30 am
by pblessman
Sorry about the slow response to the above questions:

1. "On or about" means that you can do it on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday (or maybe even Friday if you ask nicely...). I normally start running results Friday night.
2. Ties are resolved by splitting points.

FIELD UPDATE- Last call for teams!

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:55 am
by pblessman
The competition is just a few days away, so I am going to give a field update as well as invite any other teams who want to compete to please e-mail me ASAP at pblessman [at] yahoo [dot] com. Thanks!

Current field stands at 25 teams:

Northmont, OH
Hoover, AL
Rockford-Auburn, IL x2
Caesar Rodney, DE
Bergen County, NJ x3
Saline, MI x2
Buffalo Grove, IL
East Lansing, MI
LISA, AR
DCC, MI x5
DAR
Culver, IN x2
Verona, NJ
North White, IN
Elizabeth City, NC x2

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:36 am
by djones
Phil- did you get my email about Northmont's participation in the Goldfish tournament. I put the check in the mail yesterday, so you should have it very soon.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:41 pm
by Kouign Amann
Our coach should be emailing you soonish.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:09 pm
by Judson Laipply
+3 Kellenberg Teams (when our coach E-mails you.)

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:42 pm
by master15625
Our coach, I believe has emailed you for a goldfish packet.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:06 pm
by Henzel
I would like to register for the Goldfish Pre-Nationals Championship. Please send packet.

Henzel

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:32 am
by quizbowllee
Send me the packet. I will have 2 teams.

-Lee

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:41 am
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
I hope more teams sign up for this. The deadline is today!

When will the packet be sent to us, Phil?

EDIT: nevermind, i see that it's supposed to be Wednesday. No problem.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:31 am
by Stained Diviner
We're in for two teams.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:27 pm
by pretzeldude92
My coach should have sent you an email, and the check is in the mail. We here at Rapp will be playing with one team.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:55 pm
by pblessman
Alrighty, we're up to at least 53 teams from 15 states and state-like entities, I believe. I do not have an e-mail for DCDS or James Monroe, so if you could send me that, I would appreciate it. If anybody still wants to register... chip-chop-chip! I can probably still squeeze you in if I hear from you in the next 48 hours.

School State Teams
Brindlee Mountain AL 2
DAR AL 2
Hoover AL 1
LISA Academy AR 1
St. Anselm's Abbey School DC 1
Caesar Rodney DE 1
Alpharetta GA 1
Eastside GA 1
Walton GA 1
Buffalo Grove IL 1
New Trier IL 2
Rockford-Auburn IL 2
Culver Academies IN 2
North White IN 1
Sullivan IN 1
DCC MI 5
Walt Whitman MD 1
DCDS (NO EMAIL!!!) MI 1
East Lansing MI 1
Saline MI 2
Troy MI 1
Bergen County NJ 3
MAST NJ 3
St. Joseph NJ 2
Verona NJ 4
Kellenberg NY 3
St. John's Jesuit OH 1
Columbia Central TN 1
James Monroe NO EMAIL!!! VA 1
Rappahannock County VA 1
Champlain Valley VT 3

Last edited: Tu 10:49 pm moved Whitman to MD
Tu 10:36 PM Added Alpharetta
Tu 10:28 PM 2xDAR and St. John's Jesuit added
Tuesday 10:18 pm: James Monroe added

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:57 pm
by intothenegs
James Monroe wants in- I'll get my coach to email you tomorrow, hopefully.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:16 pm
by pblessman
I just sent out a test e-mail with instructions, rules, and a scoresheet. Questions will go out tomorrow, I hope. Iif you didn't receive the e-mail and think you should have, please let me know ASAP at pblessman [at] yahoo [dot] com. If you still want to sign up, please send me an e-mail right away!

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:25 pm
by Matthew D
Phil,
DAR HS has two teams.. just sent you the payment

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:30 pm
by pblessman
Added 2xDAR, James Monroe, and St. John's Jesuit. New 52-team field above. Still time to register!

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:47 pm
by pretzeldude92
Whitman is in Maryland, for what it's worth.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:50 pm
by pblessman
pretzeldude92 wrote:Whitman is in Maryland, for what it's worth.
I knew that! I think... :oops:

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:46 am
by djones
You removed Northmont from the list- have you not received the check I sent last week?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:22 pm
by pblessman
Updated Field: 61 teams from 14 states and DC.

School State Teams
Brindlee Mountain AL 2
DAR AL 2
Hoover AL 1
LISA Academy AR 1
St. Anselm's Abbey School DC 1
Caesar Rodney DE 1
Alpharetta GA 1
Eastside GA 1
Walton GA 1
Buffalo Grove IL 1
New Trier IL 2
Rockford-Auburn IL 2
Culver Academies IN 2
Harrison IN 2
North White IN 1
Sullivan IN 1
Adair County KY 1
DCC MI 5
DCDS MI 1
East Lansing MI 1
Hartland MI 1
Saline MI 2
Troy MI 1
Bergen County NJ 3
MAST NJ 3
St. Joseph NJ 2
Verona NJ 4
Kellenberg NY 3
Northmont OH 1
St. John's Jesuit OH 2
Columbia Central TN 1
Auburn VA 2
James Monroe VA 1
Rappahannock County VA 1
Walt Whitman VA 1
Champlain Valley VT 3

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:30 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Got the packet you sent via e-mail. We're supposed to read the bonuses that are immediately listed after the tossups? In other words, this doesn't look like a regular NAQT set, as bonus questions are listed right after the tossup ones, like a PACE packet.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:40 pm
by pblessman
You have to read associated bonuses in order to make sure that I am comparing apples with apples, i.e. every team who wins question #9 gets bonus #9, otherwise the head-to-head comparisons don't make sense as it would be unclear which bonus to assign to a won TU.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:36 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Gotcha. Thought so, that made sense but i was just checking. Good luck to everyone as they compete! Hopefully i can have my full A team Thursday afternoon.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:52 pm
by Kouign Amann
On a similar note about the questions themselves, what kind of distribution can I expect to hear when we play this tomorrow?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:05 pm
by Ringil
What's the deadline for playing the packets?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:55 pm
by master15625
Ringil wrote:What's the deadline for playing the packets?
According to this website, I think it was supposed to be on April 29.

http://www.naqt.com/stats/tournament-te ... nt_id=2708

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:55 pm
by jonpin
Ringil wrote:What's the deadline for playing the packets?
pblessman wrote:Sorry about the slow response to the above questions:

1. "On or about" means that you can do it on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday (or maybe even Friday if you ask nicely...). I normally start running results Friday night.
2. Ties are resolved by splitting points.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:22 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Well, he didn't send the packet until late Tuesday afternoon or early evening... so we better have until Friday.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:16 pm
by pblessman
I sent the packet as soon as I got it from NAQT. You can play the packet any time before tomorrow (Friday) evening without special dispensation from me, as tomorrow is the due date for the scoresheet. If you have some particular reason why you absolutely cannot get it done this week, please let me know and we can talk about it.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:15 pm
by Joshua Rutsky
Phil --

I got the packet at about 2:00 PM CST Tuesday, but our e-mail system had a fatal crash and we've been down since then. I have sent our results by way of Gmail from mr[dot]rutsky[at]gmail[dot]com. Please keep your eye out for them.

Thanks!

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 3:40 pm
by quizbowllee
Results coming today?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:18 pm
by master15625
He said if one cannot absolutely do it this week please talk to him, so there may have been some who have not been able to do it this week.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:00 pm
by The King's Flight to the Scots
About when can we expect the results for this?

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:50 am
by quizbowllee
ColJade wrote:About when can we expect the results for this?
Eh? It's been a week...

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:01 pm
by The King's Flight to the Scots
quizbowllee wrote:
ColJade wrote:About when can we expect the results for this?
Eh? It's been a week...

I'm not trying to hustle them along; I'm actually wondering.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:40 pm
by master15625
I mean, it is sort of hard to do literally a question by question analysis for every pair of teams. So it could take like more than a week.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:07 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
It hasn't before. That's what the spreadsheets are for.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 7:20 pm
by master15625
Oh...then I don't know why this is happening. :grin:

It will probably be up soon.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 9:41 pm
by pblessman
I've had a few stragglers who didn't get me their scores until this week. I will run the analysis this weekend. It doesn't take me days of actual work, but it does take me several hours as this is a self-written and pretty finicky Excel macro deal-e-o which needs to be customized every time I do this. If there is anybody out there with mad computer programming skills who wants to take a swing at this some time in the future to make this into a bit of a more stable analysis process, please contact me... maybe we could even have it web-based for data input? That would make things super-fantastic! I would be happy to reward you with dozens of dollars!!! :party:

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 2:40 pm
by quizbowllee
No problem, Phil. I know it's a huge amount of work and we all appreciate you doing it. I was just curious about the delay. Normally you've got this thing banged out over night.

-Lee

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:00 pm
by BuzzerZen
pblessman wrote:If there is anybody out there with mad computer programming skills who wants to take a swing at this some time in the future to make this into a bit of a more stable analysis process, please contact me... maybe we could even have it web-based for data input? That would make things super-fantastic! I would be happy to reward you with dozens of dollars!!! :party:
I am always on the lookout for ways to earn dozens of dollars programming stuff. I might be interested.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 9:45 am
by master15625
Um, if I think I found a mistake that may have affected our team in this packet (as in we gave a wrong answer, but the question had false information), when and whom can I report this? Cuz I found a major error in one of the first 24 questions that affected our team, but we feel shouldn't be penalized (we negged) as the question had a piece of false information.

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:43 am
by pblessman
Congratulations to the 2009 Pre-Nationals Goldfish Goldfish Champions: Detroit Country Day School! DCDS just destroyed their opposing Goldfish, putting up 700 points! Below are all the results I have received. If you did the Goldfish but have NOT sent in your scores (or think you did) but you are not on this list, e-mail me ASAP! Head-to-head scores are still to be computed

Rank Team GF Score
1 DCDS 700
2 Hoover, AL 690
3 R. IL. Auburn A 635
4t DCC A 585
4t Rappahannock County 585
6t Culver 565
6t New Trier A 565
8 Brindlee Mountain 555
9 James Monroe 540
10 St. Anselm's 530
11 Champlain Val A 520
12 Saint Joseph A 515
13 Kellenberg A 510
14 Saint Joseph B 485
15t Kellenberg B 475
15t Walton 475
17 Bergen County A 470
18 DCC B 460
19 DCC C 455
20 North White 420
21 Northmont 415
22 Troy 410
23 Alpharetta 405
24t Caesar Rodney 400
24t MAST A 400
26 Champlain Val B 390
27 Hartland 370
28 DCC D 365
29 Saline A 350
30t Bergen County B 330
30t Buffalo Grove 330
30t R. IL. Auburn B 330
33t Champlain Val C 325
33t East Lansing 325
35 Sullivan 315
36 Columbia Central 310
37 DCC E 305
38 New Trier B 275
39t Bergen County C 260
39t New Trier C 260
41 DCC F 220
42 Kellenberg C 215
43 Eastside High 195
44 DAR 180
45 Auburn A (VA) 160
46 Saline B 115
47 Auburn B (VA) 75

Re: April 29: Pre-Nationals Goldfish Championship

Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 11:51 am
by pblessman
master15625 wrote: I found a major error in one of the first 24 questions that affected our team, but we feel shouldn't be penalized (we negged) as the question had a piece of false information.
DCDS buzzed in with "Oslo" on the hint that Al Gore won his Nobel Prize in this city. The question was looking for Stockholm, but the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded in Oslo, not Stockholm. Due to the error in the question, I have unneggified DCDS for that question. With the neg DCDS's Goldfish score would have been 695, so this question did not affect the outcome of the Goldfish standings.