08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

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08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:41 pm

Congratulations to the Charter School of Wilmington for finishing the 2008-09 season as the #1 team in the country. With 21 ballots received from various members of the high school quiz bowl community, Charter received 17 first place votes after finishing first at both the NAQT HSNCT and PACE NSC.

State College Area High School finished second, with Paul M. Dorman High School third.

Complete results are as follows:

1. Wilmington Charter, 519 points, 17 first place votes, lowest place: 3rd
2. State College, 503 points, 2 first place votes, lowest place: 3rd
3. Dorman, 461 points, 2 first place votes, lowest place: 8th
4. Maggie Walker, 458 points, highest place:2nd, lowest place: 5th
5. Georgetown Day School, 457 points, highest place: 3rd, lowest place: 6th

6. Hunter, 429 points, highest place: 4th, lowest place: 8th
7. Walter Johnson, 393 points, highest place: 7th, lowest place: 9th
8. Rancho Bernardo, 350 points, highest place: 7th, lowest place: 14th
9. Detroit Catholic Central, 339 points, highest place: 6th, lowest place: 15th
10. Stow-Munroe, 305 points, highest place: 6th, lowest place: 23rd

11. Chattahoochee, 257 points, highest place: 6th, lowest place: 21st
12. Detroit Country Day, 249 points, highest place: 7th, lowest place: 24th
13. Thomas Jefferson, 231 points, highest place: 10th, lowest place: 21st, appeared on 19 of 21 ballots
14. Chaska, 230 points, highest place: 11th, lowest place: 22nd
15. Rockford Auburn, 229 points, highest place: 9th, lowest place: 25th

16. Walton, 188 points, highest place: 10th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 19 of 21 ballots
17. James Monroe, 186 points, highest place: 11th, lowest place: 24th, appeared on 20 of 21 ballots
18. Gonzaga, 185 points, highest place: 10th, lowest place: 22nd, appeared on 20 of 21 ballots
19. Brookwood, 180 points, highest place: 12th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 20 of 21 ballots
20. Southside, 109 points, highest place: 13th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 13 of 21 ballots

21. Walt Whitman, 108 points, highest place: 14th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 19 of 21 ballots
22. New Trier, 88 points, highest place: 13th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 16 of 21 ballots
23. LASA, 72 points, highest place: 12th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 12 of 21 ballots
24. Mission San Jose, 50 points, highest place: 16th, lowest place: 24th, appeared on 9 of 21 ballots
25. Bergen County, 48 points, highest place: 16th, lowest place: 25th, appeared on 12 of 21 ballots

Also receiving votes: Carbondale, 46 points; Dorman B, 38 points; Hoover, 27 points; Torrey Pines, 20 points; Hunter B, 12 points; State College B, 9 points; Ransom Everglades, 9 points; Dunbar, 8 points; Grosse Point North, 7 points; Walnut Hills, 7 points; Eden Prairie, 6 points; Johnson Central, 4 points; Kellenberg, 3 points; Raleigh Charter, 3 points; Ottawa Hills, 1 point; Arcadia, 1 point
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:05 pm

I will be posting individual ballots in the near future.
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:07 pm

Finally, thank you everyone who voted.
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:12 pm

I'll go ahead and start posting some ballots. Unsure if I'll get them all up tonight.

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Charter A
State College A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Dorman A
Walter Johnson
Stow-Munroe
Rancho Bernardo
TJ A
Detroit Country Day
Walton
James Monroe
Chaska
DCC
Brookwood
Southside
Chattahoochee
Grosse Point North
Mission San Jose
Torrey Pines
Hoover
Bergen County
Walt Whitman
Rockford Auburn
Bryce Durgin
Charter A
Dorman A
State College A
Hunter A
Maggie Walker A
GDS A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
Stow-Munroe
Detroit Country Day
James Monroe
TJ A
Walton
DCC
Chaska
Bergen County
Chattahoochee
Southside
Rockford Auburn
Brookwood
Hoover
Gonzaga
Ransom Everglades
Walt Whitman
Ottawa Hills
Steve Fontenot
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
Maggie Walker A
GDS A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
DCC
Rancho Bernardo
Walton
Chattahoochee
Chaska
Detroit Country Day
Stow-Munroe
TJ A
Rockford Auburn
Gonzaga
Brookwood
LASA
James Monroe
Mission San Jose
Walt Whitman
State College B
Dorman B
Torrey Pines
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:14 pm

Matt Hawlik
Dorman A
State College A
Charter A
GDS A
Hunter A
Maggie Walker A
Detroit Country Day
Rancho Bernardo
Walter Johnson
TJ A
Chattahoochee
DCC
Gonzaga
Walt Whitman
James Monroe
Bergen County
Chaska
Rockford Auburn
Stow-Munroe
Mission San Jose
Torrey Pines
Ransom Everglades
Southside
New Trier
Hoover
Nalin Lalwani
Charter A
Maggie Walker A
State College A
GDS A
Dorman A
Hunter A
Detroit Country Day
Walter Johnson
DCC
Chattahoochee
Rancho Bernardo
Rockford Auburn
Walt Whitman
Gonzaga
Chaska
Mission San Jose
LASA
Stow-Munroe
Torrey Pines
Walton
TJ A
Bergen County
New Trier
James Monroe
Brookwood
Nick Conder
Charter A
Dorman A
State College A
Maggie Walker A
GDS A
DCC
Walter Johnson
Hunter A
Chattahoochee
Gonzaga
Rockford Auburn
Chaska
Rancho Bernardo
Detroit Country Day
Stow-Munroe
LASA
New Trier
Walton
TJ A
Brookwood
Mission San Jose
Johnson Central
James Monroe
Carbondale
Bergen County
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:16 pm

Harry White
State College A
Charter A
GDS A
Hunter A
Maggie Walker A
Stow-Munroe
Dorman A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
TJ A
DCC
Gonzaga
Chaska
James Monroe
Chattahoochee
Rockford Auburn
Walt Whitman
Detroit Country Day
Brookwood
Southside
Dorman B
Mission San Jose
LASA
Carbondale
Hunter B
Gazi Rashid
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
DCC
Stow-Munroe
Chattahoochee
Walton
Brookwood
Southside
Rockford Auburn
TJ A
Chaska
James Monroe
Gonzaga
Walt Whitman
Dorman B
Hunter B
Detroit Country Day
Carbondale
New Trier
Josh Rutsky
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
Maggie Walker A
GDS A
Chattahoochee
Walter Johnson
Hunter A
Rockford Auburn
Rancho Bernardo
DCC
Gonzaga
New Trier
Hoover
Stow-Munroe
Brookwood
Carbondale
Detroit Country Day
LASA
Chaska
James Monroe
State College B
Dorman B
Torrey Pines
Walton
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:18 pm

Graham Moyer
Charter A
State College A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
GDS A
Dorman A
Walter Johnson
Stow-Munroe
Rancho Bernardo
DCC
James Monroe
TJ A
Brookwood
Walton
Chattahoochee
Rockford Auburn
Chaska
Detroit Country Day
Dorman B
Gonzaga
Walt Whitman
New Trier
Bergen County
Carbondale
Arcadia
Jon Pinyan
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
DCC
Rancho Bernardo
Stow-Munroe
Chaska
Chattahoochee
TJ A
Brookwood
Rockford Auburn
Detroit Country Day
LASA
Walton
James Monroe
New Trier
Gonzaga
Bergen County
Mission San Jose
Walt Whitman
Southside
Trey Taralia
Charter A
State College A
Maggie Walker A
Dorman A
GDS A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
DCC
Chattahoochee
Rockford Auburn
Stow-Munroe
Rancho Bernardo
Brookwood
Chaska
Detroit Country Day
TJ A
James Monroe
Walton
Walnut Hills
Gonzaga
Carbondale
Walt Whitman
New Trier
Bergen County
Ransom Everglades
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:21 pm

Kirk Jing
Dorman A
State College A
Charter A
Maggie Walker A
GDS A
DCC
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
Chattahoochee
Gonzaga
Rockford Auburn
LASA
Detroit Country Day
Rancho Bernardo
New Trier
Chaska
Mission San Jose
Walton
Carbondale
Eden Prairie
Brookwood
Walt Whitman
Stow-Munroe
James Monroe
Bergen County
Matt Weiner
Charter A
State College A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Stow-Munroe
Walter Johnson
Dorman A
Rancho Bernardo
TJ A
Walton
James Monroe
DCC
Brookwood
Chaska
Southside
Chattahoochee
Rockford Auburn
Walt Whitman
Gonzaga
Dorman B
Hunter B
Carbondale
Detroit Country Day
LASA
Charlie Dees
Charter A
State College A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Dorman A
Walter Johnson
Stow-Munroe
Rancho Bernardo
DCC
Detroit Country Day
Walton
James Monroe
Brookwood
Rockford Auburn
Chaska
Southside
Chattahoochee
TJ A
Dorman B
Gonzaga
New Trier
Bergen County
Carbondale
Walt Whitman
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:24 pm

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Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
GDS A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
DCC
Detroit Country Day
TJ A
Rockford Auburn
Chaska
Gonzaga
Stow-Munroe
Chattahoochee
Walt Whitman
Dunbar
Brookwood
Bergen County
Hoover
New Trier
Raleigh Charter
LASA
Walton
Aaron Cohen
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Rancho Bernardo
Walter Johnson
DCC
Stow-Munroe
Detroit Country Day
Brookwood
Chaska
TJ A
Chattahoochee
James Monroe
Rockford Auburn
Gonzaga
Southside
New Trier
Walton
LASA
Walt Whitman
Mission San Jose
Bergen County
Chuhern Hwang
State College A
Charter A
Maggie Walker A
Dorman A
GDS A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
Stow-Munroe
TJ A
DCC
Walton
James Monroe
Chaska
Southside
Rockford Auburn
Brookwood
Detroit Country Day
Gonzaga
Chattahoochee
New Trier
Walt Whitman
Carbondale
LASA
Ransom Everglades
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:25 pm

Matt Jackson
Charter A
State College A
Dorman A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Walter Johnson
DCC
Stow-Munroe
Rancho Bernardo
Detroit Country Day
Gonzaga
Southside
Rockford Auburn
Chaska
Walton
New Trier
James Monroe
TJ A
Brookwood
Chattahoochee
Walt Whitman
Kellenberg
State College B
Carbondale
Ming Lin
Charter A
State College A
GDS A
Maggie Walker A
Hunter A
Dorman A
Walter Johnson
Rancho Bernardo
Stow-Munroe
DCC
TJ A
James Monroe
Brookwood
Walton
Chaska
Southside
Chattahoochee
Detroit Country Day
Rockford Auburn
Gonzaga
Walt Whitman
LASA
Dorman B
Hunter B
New Trier
Brad Fischer
1. Wilmington Charter
2. State College
3. Georgetown Day School
4. Hunter A
5. Maggie Walker
6. Dorman A
7. Walter Johnson
8. Rancho Bernardo
9. Stow-Munroe Falls
10. Detroit Catholic Central
11. Detroit Country Day
12. Chattahoochee
13. Rockford Auburn
14. Walt Whitman
15. Thomas Jefferson
16. Southside
17. Walton
18. Carbondale
19. New Trier
20. James Monroe
21. Gonzaga
22. Chaska
23. Brookwood
24. Dorman B
25. Hunter B
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Re: 08-09 Post-Nationals Poll Results - Congrats Charter!

Post by AKKOLADE » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:26 pm

All individual ballots are posted. As always, the top one is #1 and they go down to #25.
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Post by TheKingInYellow » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:06 am

I find it curious that people would rank MW higher than GDS...
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:37 am

Want to expand on that, Graham? I thought both teams were very talented and fairly comparable, so it didn't really strike me as an odd choice (even if I, too, think GDS is better).
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Post by TheKingInYellow » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:11 pm

Well maybe this was just me, but watching the PACE 3rd-4th game, it was obvious that MW knew stuff, but it was also pretty clear the GDS knew just as much, and was a hell of a lot more aggressive. GDS won by a pretty solid margin as well
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Post by ieppler » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:23 pm

Graham, you ranked MW above us.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:40 pm

ieppler wrote:Graham, you ranked MW above us.
The plot thickens!
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Post by TheKingInYellow » Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:23 pm

Haha really? Well I would move Hunter and GDS up then, and put MW behind them. Temporary insanity, I guess
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Post by jbarnes112358 » Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:03 am

TheKingInYelliow wrote:Haha really? Well I would move Hunter and GDS up then, and put MW behind them. Temporary insanity, I guess
Well, I would not call your actual ranking insane. But. if you changed your vote to match what you now believe, GDS would end up 4th and MW would be 5th. I see why you would want to put GDS over MW. GDS beat MW the last three times they met this year, including the 3rd place game at NSC and twice at HSNCT. As to where to rank Hunter, that's a bit tougher. MW did beat them at NSC, though for the year as a whole Hunter may have beat MW more; I am just not sure about this. Also, Hunter probably lost some votes due to the fact that they only attended NSC and were not tested at HSNCT. Anyway, all these head-to-head results are not the best way to rank people anyway. It is better to look at overall records and stats.

I did not vote in the poll, because I was not sure how I would rank teams 2 through 7 relative to each other. I agree that the poll probably has the right teams in the top seven, whatever the order. I do believe you have to put Charter first, since they won both national championships, and they were consistently excellent throughout the year. But. I believe, even they would admit that they were a bit lucky in both national finals. On the other hand, the ability to win the close games, and to win the big games, is not all luck. Such an ability is the mark of an excellent team.

This was the strongest and most competitive field of teams ever. Congratulations to all the top teams on an excellent year of quizbowl.
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