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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by BGSO » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:47 pm

Allan Caidic wrote:How about this one?
T&C VIII.P.8 wrote: There will be no less than five
computational math, not more that 1 computational
science, at least 4 computational total.
All computational toss-up questions will be
from either the math or science categories.

But what about the computation TU on the number of permutations of the letters in the Upton Sinclair work about the meat packing industry! My Toss-up is ruined!
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by rjaguar3 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:53 pm

I think the problem with that clause is that someone put "no less" when the Advisory Committee meant "no more."
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Deviant Insider » Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:56 pm

Greg is correct. The rule got changed when it was transcribed from the meeting minutes to the T&C. This rule is new--the SPF computational tossup was legal under last year's rules.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:12 pm

BGSO wrote:
Allan Caidic wrote:How about this one?
T&C VIII.P.8 wrote: There will be no less than five
computational math, not more that 1 computational
science, at least 4 computational total.
All computational toss-up questions will be
from either the math or science categories.

But what about the computation TU on the number of permutations of the letters in the Upton Sinclair work about the meat packing industry! My Toss-up is ruined!
181440?





Oh...you didn't actually...but I...my bad.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by rjaguar3 » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:21 pm

Mr. McGraw told me to just use the questions as prepared regardless of what the T&Cs say.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:31 pm

Allan Caidic wrote:Mr. McGraw told me to just use the questions as prepared regardless of what the T&Cs say.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jonah » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:43 pm

The pools for IHSA State are posted.

Class AA:
Pool 1. winners of the Libertyville, Maine South, Mattoon, and Dunlap sectionals
(read: Stevenson, St. Ignatius, Carbondale, and ?)
Pool 2. winners of the Marist, WWS, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Auburn sectionals
(read: ?, WWS, Centennial, and Auburn)

Class A:
Pool 1. winners of the Fairfield, Carlinville, Peoria Christian, and Warrensburg-Latham sectionals
Pool 2. winners of the Winnebago, Herrin, Macomb, and Dwight sectionals
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:58 pm

jonah wrote:The pools for IHSA State are posted.

Class AA:
Pool 1. winners of the Libertyville, Maine South, Mattoon, and Dunlap sectionals
(read: Stevenson, St. Ignatius, Carbondale, and ?)
Pool 2. winners of the Marist, WWS, Bradley-Bourbonnais, and Auburn sectionals
(read: ?, WWS, Centennial, and Auburn)

Class A:
Pool 1. winners of the Fairfield, Carlinville, Peoria Christian, and Warrensburg-Latham sectionals
Pool 2. winners of the Winnebago, Herrin, Macomb, and Dwight sectionals
What, no prognostication for Class A?

//it's 2005 styxman posting ITT
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jonah » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:26 pm

The nicest way to phrase my answer is that I don't know enough to make any predictions.
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Post by Dan-Don » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:48 pm

jonah wrote:The pools for IHSA State are posted.

Class AA:
Pool 1. winners of the Libertyville, Maine South, Mattoon, and Dunlap sectionals
(read: Stevenson, St. Ignatius, Carbondale, and ?)
So, basically, of the 8 teams at IHSA state, one of the teams that deserves a trophy (Stevenson, Ig, C-Dale, Auburn) will get screwed out of it because of this pool (with the exception of Auburn).
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jonah » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:51 pm

As usual. And another deserving team (arguably several) won't even make it out of its sectional.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:52 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
jonah wrote:The pools for IHSA State are posted.

Class AA:
Pool 1. winners of the Libertyville, Maine South, Mattoon, and Dunlap sectionals
(read: Stevenson, St. Ignatius, Carbondale, and ?)
So, basically, of the 8 teams at IHSA state, one of the teams that deserves a trophy (Stevenson, Ig, C-Dale, Auburn) will get screwed out of it because of this pool (with the exception of Auburn).
That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jonah » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:57 pm

Ike Pappas wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:
jonah wrote:The pools for IHSA State are posted.

Class AA:
Pool 1. winners of the Libertyville, Maine South, Mattoon, and Dunlap sectionals
(read: Stevenson, St. Ignatius, Carbondale, and ?)
So, basically, of the 8 teams at IHSA state, one of the teams that deserves a trophy (Stevenson, Ig, C-Dale, Auburn) will get screwed out of it because of this pool (with the exception of Auburn).
That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
But you can wish they would come up with a fair format.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Matt Weiner » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:03 pm

Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dan-Don » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:11 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:
Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
I'm not an expert, but I believe the pools are either done randomly each year (at least this was the case in 2005 when Brad Fischer's team was sent home with third place, no?) or they are always structured geographically [with the Chicago-are sectional (St. Ignatius this year) winner always going in the same pool as the winner of the northwest suburban Chicago sectional (Libertyville this year) and the winner of the southern Illinois/Carbondale-area sectional (Mattoon, this year)].

EDIT: I just checked, it's random.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:18 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:
Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
This would imply some sort of fair rankings to be done. You could seed state based off of sectionals performance, but that would probably just end up favoring teams in weaker regionals. There is really no way to seed the eight teams that everyone involved would be satisfied with...hence the random seeding.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:40 pm

Ike Pappas wrote:
Matt Weiner wrote:
Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
This would imply some sort of fair rankings to be done. You could seed state based off of sectionals performance, but that would probably just end up favoring teams in weaker regionals. There is really no way to seed the eight teams that everyone involved would be satisfied with...hence the random seeding.
How would sectionals PPB be worse than the status quo?
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by jdeliverer » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:14 pm

I believe for this tournament, it is appropriate to wish people good luck, so good luck to everyone involved in IHSA regionals tonight.

May the best team win!
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Edward Elric » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:40 pm

jdeliverer wrote: May the team with the math specialist and knowledge of driver's education win!
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:57 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:
Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
No real difference in the way WE run tournaments, but from the IHSA perspective, there is no other activity that constructs brackets by taking into account anything other than geography, so they probably wouldn't change it for us. That we have pool play for Sectionals/State is the product of years of lobbying, and it's still flawed (only 4 teams in a pool; pool advancement based on head-to-head; no pools at Regionals). We'll keep lobbying, obviously, but uggggh.
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Ike Pappas wrote:
Matt Weiner wrote:
Ike Pappas wrote:That's fair. You can't expect them to gerrymander the pools based on who's projected highest any given year.
I'm not entirely sure how the IHSA system works, but what is the difference between "gerrymandering the pools based on who's projected highest," and what we would normally call seeding a tournament to produce brackets of equal strength?
This would imply some sort of fair rankings to be done. You could seed state based off of sectionals performance, but that would probably just end up favoring teams in weaker regionals. There is really no way to seed the eight teams that everyone involved would be satisfied with...hence the random seeding.
How would sectionals PPB be worse than the status quo?
Well, first off, PPB on these questions is flawed - bonuses are paired with tossups of different category tossups, so if everyone sucks at computation (hint: they probably do) that's numerous non-computational bonuses you won't hear. Also, bonuses are either three, four, or five parts, so an individual bonus part can be worth either 4, 5, 6, or 7 points depending on the situation, so sheer "points" per bonus is problematic. Also, the writers/editors in different categories differ drastically. You might have a chemistry bonus asking for "given an element, give the atomic number" while the literature might actually be academic (hint: it probably isn't), and others could be about pasta shapes or monkey wrenches.

All that said, PPB would be better than "random" if the IHSA had a precedent using statistics to judge quality. But as above...
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:23 pm

At Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep)*
REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep) 336 F
Skokie (Niles West) 385

Holy bobcats, did this happen!?
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

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Extinction threshold wrote:At Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep)*
REGIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP
Chicago (St. Ignatius College Prep) 336 F
Skokie (Niles West) 385

Holy bobcats, did this happen!?
IHSA Happened. I still can't believe it though...
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Charley Pride » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:29 pm

Check out the result of the Sterling regional. Keith comes in with its first quizbowl team ever and advances to sectionals. Through my cousin, who is on the team, Abid and I (I think) were able to influence Keith towards good quizbowl, and their first tournament in team history was either Loyburn or HFT. Either way, if the program continues with some commitment, Keith can go a long way towards dispelling the myth that, in order to be good, you need to be a big school or a well-funded program or a team with a long history of being good. Keith started from scratch and jumped right into the right quizbowl practices. We'll see how they turn out in the future.

(Keith Country Day is a small private school in Rockford)
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:21 am

Be prepared for people to argue back to you that the fact they are a private school basically makes them the equivalent to being a large, well funded public school.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Charley Pride » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:40 am

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Be prepared for people to argue back to you that the fact they are a private school basically makes them the equivalent to being a large, well funded public school.
I know a bit about their school, and while their student body is notably wealthy, the school hasn't been rolling in money of late.

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:46 am

Yeah, but a lot of people you're arguing against won't care. I'm just warning you, a lot of public school people look at private schools differently than they probably should in terms of resources.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Geringer » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:46 am

Quizbowl does require money. Whether that money comes from the school or from the players' pockets, tournament fees need to be paid and, especially in a region as spaced out as Illinois, transportation is a major cost too. I'd be very surprised if there are more than a handful of teams who don't fall under either the "wealthy student body" or the "well-funded program" headings. I mean, there are definitely fundraising options for economically worse-off teams, but I would be hard-pressed to think that any team would be able to fund a seasons-worth of stuff with just a bake sale or something.

I will anticipate that someone will say "but they could write their own tournament!" In order to write, you need to get good. Getting good often requires going to good tournaments to be exposed to good questions. Again, this isn't a cut and dry fact, but I think that even learning to write good requires a strong financial base.

Maybe I just feel this way because I paid out of pocket last year, but if I didn't have the financial resources to do so, I wouldn't have played good quizbowl. Period. There are definitely TDs out there who give discounts to such teams, but I don't know if a team could play for free all year.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by at your pleasure » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:00 pm

KHAAAAN please wrote: I will anticipate that someone will say "but they could write their own tournament!" In order to write, you need to get good. Getting good often requires going to good tournaments to be exposed to good questions. Again, this isn't a cut and dry fact, but I think that even learning to write good requires a strong financial base.
What about mirrors/buying an NAQT or HSAPQ set?
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Deviant Insider » Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:57 pm

Dave Breger wrote:
KHAAAAN please wrote: I will anticipate that someone will say "but they could write their own tournament!" In order to write, you need to get good. Getting good often requires going to good tournaments to be exposed to good questions. Again, this isn't a cut and dry fact, but I think that even learning to write good requires a strong financial base.
What about mirrors/buying an NAQT or HSAPQ set?
It's a possibility, but it sometimes is difficult to find a good set produced before March that is not already used by the interested teams in Illinois. It is difficult to run a tournament during March because of Masonics/IHSA/Spring Break. After March, it traditionally has been difficult to run a tournament because most teams fold up shop, though we are getting to the point where it is possible to run a small tournament.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:32 pm

Westwon wrote:
Dave Breger wrote:
KHAAAAN please wrote: I will anticipate that someone will say "but they could write their own tournament!" In order to write, you need to get good. Getting good often requires going to good tournaments to be exposed to good questions. Again, this isn't a cut and dry fact, but I think that even learning to write good requires a strong financial base.
What about mirrors/buying an NAQT or HSAPQ set?
It's a possibility, but it sometimes is difficult to find a good set produced before March that is not already used by the interested teams in Illinois. It is difficult to run a tournament during March because of Masonics/IHSA/Spring Break. After March, it traditionally has been difficult to run a tournament because most teams fold up shop, though we are getting to the point where it is possible to run a small tournament.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by JackGlerum » Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:22 pm

What's up,

I want to post to say that, despite only going to two HS tournaments this year, I realize that my summer-thesis of "this year's teams will not surpass last year's teams" was thankfully super, super wrong. That there's interest in (multiple!) post-state series/pre-nationals tournaments is awesome. That teams (player?) like OPRF actually care about getting good at pyramidal quizbowl is awesome. That Stevenson is relevant amongst the usual powers is awesome. For the most part, that more non-Chicagoland people participate on these boards is awesome. That two Auburn sophomores are writing a side event for CO is awesome. Most importantly, that seemingly all of the good players have one or two years left is awesome.

This kind of exponential growth totally came out of left field for me and I hope it snowballs. And by that, I hope that:

1. Internally, Illinois can break the chains that bind us to the old guard
2. Externally, Illinois schools can break into the "power elite" that consistently vie for a national championship

The former will take a hell of a lot longer, but I think both are possible.

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by CometCoach72 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:14 pm

JackGlerum wrote: And by that, I hope that:

1. Internally, Illinois can break the chains that bind us to the old guard
2. Externally, Illinois schools can break into the "power elite" that consistently vie for a national championship

The former will take a hell of a lot longer, but I think both are possible.

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I am not afraid to say this out loud, but there is one thing and one thing only that is going to fix #1; that is the retirement of some of the "old guard" coaches who do not recognize good quiz bowl for what it is. I have a junior student on my team who played quiz bowl for the first time this year and within five events he was able to differentiate between good questions and bad (his definition of good and bad questions is in line with the generally accepted definitions by members of this community).

I am disappointed in the lack of desire among my colleagues to change things for the better with our conference. Now, I have to start evaluating my options on what's best for our students and our team based on their lack of action.

I can't answer to #2 because I have not seen a national event yet; that's next on my "Scholastic Bowl Bucket List."
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by TheDoctor » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:32 pm

CometCoach72 wrote:within five events he was able to differentiate between good questions and bad (his definition of good and bad questions is in line with the generally accepted definitions by members of this community).
You've hit the nail on the head. A big part of the problem is that a lot of teams are unable (for whatever reason; in my experience it's often a financial issue or a mistaken perception that they can't compete) to attend five events a year and get the direct experience needed to make an informed decision about question quality.

A potential solution
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Deviant Insider » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:42 pm

Another solution is that IHSSBCA Grants are now available. If Illinois teams need money to go to tournaments next year, they should ask for it.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Geringer » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:47 pm

This is in its infancy stages, but I'm also going to try to fund a couple of nationals bids next year from proceeds from Trashtastrothree. I funded one entry this year, and next year I'm sure I can graduate to two.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Charley Pride » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:01 pm

KHAAAAN please wrote:Trashtastrothree
I hate you, I think.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Captain Sinico » Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:16 pm

CometCoach72 wrote:I am not afraid to say this out loud, but there is one thing and one thing only that is going to fix #1; that is the retirement of some of the "old guard" coaches who do not recognize good quiz bowl for what it is.
That's probably about right. Fortunately, it's hugely easier to get good even at IHSA stuff by practicing good questions, so hopefully year after year of consistent failure against teams preparing on the good stuff will hasten those unwilling to listen out the door. Also, the recent flood of "WAH NOT ENOUGH IHSA FORMAT TOURNAMENT!" arguments from such coaches isn't a fight they can win, given that there are dozens of good sets produced each year and it costs nothing to have them mirrored in Illinois, so that'll keep happening.

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by CometCoach72 » Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:36 pm

Captain Sinico wrote: Also, the recent flood of "WAH NOT ENOUGH IHSA FORMAT TOURNAMENT!" arguments from such coaches isn't a fight they can win, given that there are dozens of good sets produced each year and it costs nothing to have them mirrored in Illinois, so that'll keep happening.
Of course they can't win the argument.


I'm sorry, did you say "costs nothing?" Free is good...wish it could be done for conference play, but the coaches in my conference would rather play in IHSA format and use a question provider that is dreadful at best.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Captain Sinico » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:16 pm

Sure, but they're going to just keep getting screwed. There are going to be fewer and fewer IHSA tournaments for people to play; people who insist on playing those are therefore going to keep preparing less and less and losing more and more.
I should be more precise: mirrors do cost mirror fees, but these are in all cases small compared with the cost of commissioning an IHSA-style set and scale with field size. Some people have even been willing to let some tournaments have questions literally for free in the past, but this is not the usual state of affairs. My point is: the questions are going to be there, sitting around, and everyone on both sides of the transaction has every incentive to get them mirrored in Illinois. That will continue happening and people who refuse to adapt will continue getting beaten by those who do.

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by mlaird » Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:45 pm

IHSSBCA All-State Teams are here. This was voted on by people across the state. The statistics used for this included IHSA-format tournaments as well as traditional quizbowl. Really, nominators could put whatever they wanted on there as long as it wasn't from a solo or subject-specific (e.g. Science Bowl) tournament.

First Team All-State Class AA:
Ben Carbery, Oak Park-River Forest
Ben Chametzky, Carbondale
Andrew Deveau, Chicago (St. Ignatius)
Zahed Haseeb, Rockford (Auburn)
Kevin Malis, Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
Quinn Rosenthal, Wheaton Warrenville (South)
Steve Server, Winnetka (New Trier)
Lloyd Sy, Rockford (Auburn)
Nolan Winkler, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
Marcel Youkhna, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)

Second Team All-State Class AA:
Zach Blumenfeld, Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
Dan Donohue
Danny Hannan, Rockford (Boylan)
Jessamyn Lockard, Moline
Jeremiah Monk, Carbondale
Chris Olsen, Champaign (Centennial)
Gabe Orlet, Althoff Catholic
Mike Penicnak, Bensenville (Fenton)
Arjun Puranik, Palatine Fremd
Mark Taylor, St. Charles East


First Team All-State Class A:
Chris Adams, Tuscola
Justin Brooks, Petersburg (PORTA)
Evan Daigle, Litchfield
Greg Dzuricsko, Lisle
Aaron Mitchell, Winnebago
A.J. Sclove, Roycemore
Aaron Staley, New Berlin
Robert Volgman, Chicago (Latin School)
Tristan Willey, Macomb
Peter York, Litchfield

Second Team All-State Class A:
Alex Bauer, St. Anthony
Kevin Davis, Farmington
Jeremy Edison, Newman Central Catholic
Dan Johnson, Durand
Beau Manuel, Farina South Central
Eric Mason, Warrensburg-Latham
Donnie McClarey, Dwight
Stephen Ragain, Reed-Custer
Roy Slick, Byron
Sam Stowell, New Berlin

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Dan-Don » Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:48 am

mlaird wrote: Really, nominators could put whatever they wanted on there as long as it wasn't from a solo or subject-specific (e.g. Science Bowl) tournament.
For those who didn't see it, the form specifically mentioned that you couldn't count results from Trashtastrophe, which I found hilrious. Next year, T3 should soooo be counted.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by JackGlerum » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:50 pm

mlaird wrote: Nolan Winkler, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
Marcel Youkhna, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
chyeahhhhh booiiiiiiii

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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Geringer » Mon Mar 15, 2010 2:56 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
mlaird wrote: Really, nominators could put whatever they wanted on there as long as it wasn't from a solo or subject-specific (e.g. Science Bowl) tournament.
For those who didn't see it, the form specifically mentioned that you couldn't count results from Trashtastrophe, which I found hilrious. Next year, T3 should soooo be counted.
There were totally at least two tossups that could be considered academic...
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by David Riley » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:01 pm

This is terrible.....next thing you know, you'll want to count tournments that feature bonuses on pasta shapes....or sixties girl groups :grin:
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Geringer » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:05 pm

1990s David Riley wrote:Have a stick of Juicy Fruit, kids. For four points each, name the five flavors that make up Juicy Fruit.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by David Riley » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:18 pm

One of these days....

and it was four flavors for five points each! :roll:
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by BGSO » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:25 pm

David Riley wrote:One of these days....

and it was four flavors for five points each! :roll:

I still claim the absence of a chewing gum question in the Ultima I played to be the single greatest disappointment in my quiz bowl career.
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Monk » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:49 pm

mlaird wrote:IHSSBCA All-State Teams are here. This was voted on by people across the state. The statistics used for this included IHSA-format tournaments as well as traditional quizbowl. Really, nominators could put whatever they wanted on there as long as it wasn't from a solo or subject-specific (e.g. Science Bowl) tournament.

First Team All-State Class AA:
Ben Carbery, Oak Park-River Forest
Ben Chametzky, Carbondale
Andrew Deveau, Chicago (St. Ignatius)
Zahed Haseeb, Rockford (Auburn)
Kevin Malis, Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
Quinn Rosenthal, Wheaton Warrenville (South)
Steve Server, Winnetka (New Trier)
Lloyd Sy, Rockford (Auburn)
Nolan Winkler, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)
Marcel Youkhna, Wilmette (Loyola Academy)

Second Team All-State Class AA:
Zach Blumenfeld, Lincolnshire (Stevenson)
Dan Donohue
Danny Hannan, Rockford (Boylan)
Jessamyn Lockard, Moline
Jeremiah Monk, Carbondale
Chris Olsen, Champaign (Centennial)
Gabe Orlet, Althoff Catholic
Mike Penicnak, Bensenville (Fenton)
Arjun Puranik, Palatine Fremd
Mark Taylor, St. Charles East


First Team All-State Class A:
Chris Adams, Tuscola
Justin Brooks, Petersburg (PORTA)
Evan Daigle, Litchfield
Greg Dzuricsko, Lisle
Aaron Mitchell, Winnebago
A.J. Sclove, Roycemore
Aaron Staley, New Berlin
Robert Volgman, Chicago (Latin School)
Tristan Willey, Macomb
Peter York, Litchfield

Second Team All-State Class A:
Alex Bauer, St. Anthony
Kevin Davis, Farmington
Jeremy Edison, Newman Central Catholic
Dan Johnson, Durand
Beau Manuel, Farina South Central
Eric Mason, Warrensburg-Latham
Donnie McClarey, Dwight
Stephen Ragain, Reed-Custer
Roy Slick, Byron
Sam Stowell, New Berlin
So is this good for anything?
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by Deviant Insider » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:14 pm

Three free dinners
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Re: Illinois '09-'10

Post by David Riley » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:13 pm

And the food isn't bad, but please bring back the red velvet cake! :grin:

Seriously, though, this is one of the few opportunities to celebrate students in our activity. I can only speak for class AA, but I didn't notice any glaring omissionos (given the criteria).
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