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It was mainly due to a string of 5 negs in the last 7 questions that changed our 185-165 lead to a 85 pt loss.
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(This is in no way meant to insult anyone)
Why do teams take so long to post up statistics? When I did ACE stats, I had them up by the end of the day. Am I missing a part of the process or something?
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Irwin R Schyster wrote:(This is in no way meant to insult anyone)
Why do teams take so long to post up statistics? When I did ACE stats, I had them up by the end of the day. Am I missing a part of the process or something?
In some cases (such as with our mirror of EFT), not all of the scoresheets are procured before the end of the tournament. This was overlooked due to the need to use a paper tiebreaker to determine who played in the final.
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computational math bonuses = :w-hat: TF?
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Also, Alex, the stats person may not have web space of their own. Additionally, college students, especially grad students, are busy, and stats are pretty meaningless anyway, so there's no rush.
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rylltraka wrote:Also, Alex, the stats person may not have web space of their own. Additionally, college students, especially grad students, are busy, and stats are pretty meaningless anyway, so there's no rush.
That's what scobo.net is all about. Also, ignore the last sentence, there is no excuse to not just upload the stats immediately after a tournament.
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But the flu is. I'd say that Christine's health is much more important than the appearance of stats on the internet.
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Dude Love wrote:But the flu is. I'd say that Christine's health is much more important than the appearance of stats on the internet.
Hey Ian, if you can get the stats to me, I'll post them.
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rylltraka wrote:stats are pretty meaningless anyway
Delays in posting stats delays the ability of PACE to certify tournaments for gold or platinum certification. They're also important for allowing people to see how successful a set was at meeting its target difficulty and for comparing teams who may never play each other before nationals.
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The problem is that I don't have a copy of the stats, only Christine does. I probably should have gotten them from her on Saturday.
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I apologize for not getting the stats up immediately. I couldn't get scobo to work (and I still haven't figured out why it wouldn't...it wouldn't let me access the admin panel for the account I created) and as I was ridiculously sick with the flu, I didn't exactly have the energy to fight with it and try to figure out what I was doing wrong.

I sincerely apologize.

That said, I wish I had known the extent to which I was being talked about on the boards...
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Would people be interested in attending a mirror of New Trier Varsity at UCLA on January 9, 16, or 23? Is there anything already scheduled for those days? Are SATs or ACTs on those days? Which day works best? Is this a set people would like to play in this region (no HSNCT qualification from it)?
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I'd be up for anything mACF, and I could probably convince the team to go, especially since we've already qualified to HSNCT. On the other hand, I think I'd enjoy an HSAPQ set over New Trier Varsity (don't ask me why, I don't know). If Southern California had both I'd probably try to get our team to go to both. And hey, we've got months ahead of us.
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So there's been some discussion in another thread about how states like Minnesota and Ohio and wherever are organizing their HSAPQ NASAT teams. Well, I'll go ahead and ask. How is California going to decide who to send? Will we even send a team at all? And who gets to decide?

And if there are some nice answers to those questions, we have an even bigger problem: this is supposed to be a California team, right? Not a Southern California team? So what do people think is a good way to integrate the two halves of the state that rarely if ever will play each other in good quizbowl?

I mean, I know MSJ and some other schools in the Bay Area are considering making a trip down here sometime, but I'm not sure if that's really enough exposure for the two regions to each other, especially if the NorCal teams come down to play a college tournament or an NAQT set or something. Maybe we could have a statewide tournament using an HSAPQ set, or maybe NorCal people can play us on UCSD's pre-nationals warmup. I'm of the opinion that whatever we use as our standard should be of a substantially high difficulty.

Thoughts?
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I think they're going to split it into Southern California and Northern California.

Also, unless someone's going to catch a red-eye flight after graduation, don't count on getting anyone from Arcadia to be on the All-Star team.

*edit*
Why don't we use UCLA's team optimization program?
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What is that?

And by the way, all you LA people missed out on a lot of fun in San Diego last saturday.
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Well, the first step, obviously, would be to determine interest in attending NASAT. Presumably, there will be more than enough interest among SoCal players to field a team (assuming that we're split off from NorCal), but it would be helpful to know exactly who might have an interest in being on the team if possible. After that, it seems like the fairest thing would be to determine the top players among those interested by comparing results (we could compare throughout the year, accounting for circumstances (team & tournament composition, etc.) that would have affected scores, or we could have one deciding tournament (but what if good people couldn't attend that tournament?)?).

In my mind, the tricky bit would be the next step, which would be picking a balanced team from those top players. After all, you don't want a team with an extreme bias against any field of subject matter. I have no idea how to go about something like that, though.
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Option 1: Free for all
Get everyone interested from the SoCal area into one room, and just read tossups. 4 highest scores go.

Option 2: UCLA's Team Optimization program
Plug in the stats from some tournament into that program (http://quizbowl.gimranov.com/TeamQualifier/) and select a team based on that.

Option 3: Let some higher power choose
I nominate Dwight for this.
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So I'm not sure if I heard correctly, but yesterday Ian said UCLA would be hosting another NAQT tournament. If that's going to be State Championships, then that's perfectly fine. But breaking down the SoCal tournaments that I've been aware of, we've had/are having later this year:

NAQT: IS-86 at UCLA, IS-88 at Caltech, IS-90 at Arcadia, IS-91A at UCI, IS-92 at La Jolla, IS-94 or IS-95 at UCLA? --- 6
Other: HFT at UCSD, FNT at Arcadia, NTV at UCLA, Prison Bowl at Claremont Colleges, Pre-Nationals Warmup at UCSD --- 4

I just wanted to see if SoCal could work an HSAPQ set into its schedule, as we've nearly exhausted every available NAQT set.

On another note, at least 10 tournaments in Southern California is really, really awesome! I could be wrong, but I don't think we've ever had this many.

EDIT: added Fall Novice Tournament.
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You missed Fall Novice @ Arcadia in your count, so 11 tournaments this year. Another amazing thing is they've avoided A-sets except for one novice tournament.

I think people are reluctant to use an HSAPQ set (due to some previous issues) when there are so many other mACF tournaments open to mirrors. Also, its hard to add more tournaments between now and spring break season, and between spring break season and APs/Nationals.
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al3xWal3x wrote:I think people are reluctant to use an HSAPQ set (due to some previous issues) when there are so many other mACF tournaments open to mirrors.
Hmm. What I had thought was that the issue was not being able to finish the set on time, and that the sets that were completed were nevertheless good sets.
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There were some comments on the Maryland Fall Tournament thread about issues with the packet (repeats, difficulty swings, etc.) , although some of them were the result of last minute editing.
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al3xWal3x wrote:There were some comments on the Maryland Fall Tournament thread about issues with the packet (repeats, difficulty swings, etc.) , although some of them were the result of last minute editing.
Still better than NAQT, though, in my opinion at least.
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With the great preferences by new and young players at Baby Anteater, I know that Southern California Quiz Bowl is going to be in good shape for the next few years.
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Should we start figuring out the team for NASAT?
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There was some murmurings of having a tryout type thing with the WCI on Saturday night(we should know exactly what's happening after ACF regionals, but I currently have some rooms reserved for the 20th/21st). If that doesn't work out/WCI falls through, we can do something during states; even though I only have the rooms until 5:00, at least 2 of them will be open afterwards.
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WCI will most likely be the first high school tournament for us NorCal teams since November. Our circuit is less active than Montana's.
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laserphaser wrote:WCI will most likely be the first high school tournament for us NorCal teams since November. Our circuit is less active than Montana's.
MSJ seems to be large enough of a club to be able to host their own tournament (i.e. you sent 5 teams to a tournament once), so why don't you host your own tournament? You make money for your club, you could probably field a house team and have a team or two play in it, and you get a set you can play on yourself.
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I assume it's logistically impossible for some schools to hold a tournament.
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Yeah, for example my high school required a teacher or staff member to be in every room that we would be using. We would not have been able to get enough rooms to make it worthwhile since we could get 2 maybe 3 teachers/staff to help us.
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Joe Romersa wrote:
laserphaser wrote:WCI will most likely be the first high school tournament for us NorCal teams since November. Our circuit is less active than Montana's.
MSJ seems to be large enough of a club to be able to host their own tournament (i.e. you sent 5 teams to a tournament once), so why don't you host your own tournament? You make money for your club, you could probably field a house team and have a team or two play in it, and you get a set you can play on yourself.
We would have to clear that with our notoriously cranky administration (who doesn't know we have a team or know that we went to nationals last year) and motivate our seniors to do something. We had extremely tentative plans earlier in the year that fell through.
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Commodore wrote:I assume it's logistically impossible for some schools to hold a tournament.
Logistically impossible or bureaucratically impossible. I've talked to RB's admin folks about hosting, and they've said that they will consent only if it will help us qualify for a national tournament. Since the host school doesn't compete, RB can't host.
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so, Seniors from around this corner of the intertubes, where are you headed next year?

EDIT: Just noticed Steven's and Gammage's signatures...
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