Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

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Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:48 am

Maggie L. Walker Governor's School in Richmond, VA will be hosting a mirror of the Fall Novice Tournament on October 10, 2009. This set is a collaboration between a number of high school and college quizbowl players, is being edited by Charlie Rosenthal, Zhao Zhang, and myself, and is being overseen by Andy Watkins, Charlie Dees, and Gautam Kandlikar. This set contains no computational math and further information can be found here.

Field Restriction:
We are allowing teams consisting of players in their first or second year of high school competition, with the exception that middle schoolers may play even if they are 8th graders entering their third year of competing against high schoolers. Feel free to contact me if you believe you have a player or players meriting an exception.

Fee structure:
Each team: $40
Buzzer Discount: -$10
Staff Discount: -$10
Travel Discount (over 200 mi traveled): -$10 (there will ideally be enough mirrors that this will be unnecessary)
Minimum Fee: $10

This tournament will have a field cap of some kind, but that unfortunately has to be determined by how much staff we have, so I'll have a better idea after school starts on September 8. An informational email will be sent out to teams on our mailing list closer to that date as well. Edit: this is finally happening today, thank you for your patience.

Please register here so that you are in our official records. Thanks.

If you have any questions/comments, feel free to either post in this thread or contact me at gsacdirector AT gmail DOT com.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by t-bar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:04 pm

TJ will probably bring one or more teams composed of those of us who are not working on the set.
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Post by Kouign Amann » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:15 pm

I will probably be bringing the middle school/freshman team down for this.

Quick question: Since I started playing in seventh grade, I am ineligible for this tournament, correct? (i.e., this is a different set of rules than those applied for HAVOC, for which any sophomore is eligible)
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Self-incompatibility in plants » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:31 pm

We will likely bring one of our lower/younger teams down to this.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:48 pm

Prof.Whoopie wrote:I will probably be bringing the middle school/freshman team down for this.

Quick question: Since I started playing in seventh grade, I am ineligible for this tournament, correct? (i.e., this is a different set of rules than those applied for HAVOC, for which any sophomore is eligible)
Yeah, I'm not going to count middle school play against playing this.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:29 pm

Yeah, hopefully we can make this. We'll see what committed people i can find.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:38 pm

Field Update!

Registered:
Longfellow MS

Buzzers:
Longfellow MS

Expressed interest:
Caesar Rodney
Georgetown Day School
St. Anselm's
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I'll send an informational email out to our mailing list once school starts.
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Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:52 pm

GDS's interest is expressed.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by t-bar » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:31 pm

MLWGS-Gir wrote: We are allowing teams consisting of players in their first or second year of high school competition
We have some players, currently juniors, who attended some practices freshman year but only went to their first tournament sophomore year. For eligibility purposes, would you consider them second or third year players? Basically, what counts as high school competition: practices or tournaments?
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:55 pm

t-bar wrote:
MLWGS-Gir wrote: We are allowing teams consisting of players in their first or second year of high school competition
We have some players, currently juniors, who attended some practices freshman year but only went to their first tournament sophomore year. For eligibility purposes, would you consider them second or third year players? Basically, what counts as high school competition: practices or tournaments?
Tournaments count as competition; those players are fine.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Kouign Amann » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:30 pm

Confirmed St. Anselm's plans for this event:

Jacob Wasserman and I will be coming down to Gov to play this event together. Everyone else in the program who is eligible is going to play at Whitman two weeks later.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

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Prof.Whoopie wrote:Confirmed St. Anselm's plans for this event:

Jacob Wasserman and I will be coming down to Gov to play this event together. Everyone else in the program who is eligible is going to play at Whitman two weeks later.
There will be an email with an official registration survey as soon as Dr. B. gets me one that works (tomorrow, I hope)...the first post will be updated with it as well. Thanks, guys.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

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Prof.Whoopie wrote:Confirmed St. Anselm's plans for this event:

Jacob Wasserman and I will be coming down to Gov to play this event together. Everyone else in the program who is eligible is going to play at Whitman two weeks later.
Hm, well, i think we should just crown our Fall Novice champions now...
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:41 pm

The official registration link has finally been edited into the first post. Thanks for your patience.
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Post by at your pleasure » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:43 pm

Whitman would like to express interest.
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Post by kamikaze » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:45 pm

Cave Spring is also expressing interest. We'll probably muster 1-3 teams. I'll let you know when we get closer to the date.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:15 pm

Registered one team and one buzzer set! And you know i would love to help read.

Got a small group of kids excited for this... even though they know the win-loss record is not going to be the main goal for the day (and it might not be that good). Yay positive thinking.
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Post by lagazzaladra » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:30 pm

It looks like we're going to attend the Whitman mirror because it's so much closer. See you at GSAC!
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Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:47 pm

Field Update:

Registered:
St. Anselm's
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Clover Hill
Colin and Cole Academy
Collegiate
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Tucker (2)
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Buzzers:
Caesar Rodney
GDS
Spotswood
Cave Spring (3)
Whitman

Expressed Interest:
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:48 pm

Any other updates? Hopefully more teams have signed up for this...

EDIT: Oh, yeah, you know i definitely don't mind reading, and we've got a set of buzzers to bring as well.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:49 pm

GDS is definitely going to this. Number of teams and buzzer sets is still up in the air, but expect one team and one experienced moderator at minimum.
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Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:29 pm

Spotswood was the latest registration as of yesterday, or so Dr. Barnes told me. Thanks for the info, Matt. I'll note that if we get belong some number of teams that I'm not yet sure of, we may have to look into moving the tournament to Collegiate so we don't lose money because of fees associated with our building....so, please, anyone on the fence, register soon so we can figure that out! Thanks.
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Post by jbarnes112358 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:06 pm

Trinity Episcopal School has registered one team.
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Post by kamikaze » Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:54 pm

I just signed up three teams and we may have enough for a forth team. I'll let you know when these kids get back to me, hopefully by tomorrow. I will have the final number by early next week though.

I'm more than happy to volunteer to read and/or Mr. Flint. If you need more buzzers than two sets, let us know. We can probably swing more, if you need them.
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kamikaze wrote:I just signed up three teams and we may have enough for a forth team. I'll let you know when these kids get back to me, hopefully by tomorrow. I will have the final number by early next week though.

I'm more than happy to volunteer to read and/or Mr. Flint. If you need more buzzers than two sets, let us know. We can probably swing more, if you need them.
We don't currently own a working buzzer set, so any that you can bring is great. You can never have too many buzzers. At this point I think we have enough staff, but I'll let you know if that changes. Thanks a lot.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by sir negsalot » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:27 pm

Why is Caesar Rodney signed up for this, its 2 hours even more driving than Whitman which is 2 weeks later.
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sir negsalot wrote:Why is Caesar Rodney signed up for this, its 2 hours even more driving than Whitman which is 2 weeks later.
Because that's how they roll. They're just awesome like that.
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RyuAqua wrote:
sir negsalot wrote:Why is Caesar Rodney signed up for this, its 2 hours even more driving than Whitman which is 2 weeks later.
Because that's how they roll. They're just awesome like that.
Why thank you.

Actually it's really just because this weekend works better for us... people are busy on the Whitman weekend, so, it just wasn't going to work. Yeah it's far, but really it's only 3-3½ hours. That's nothing. It's a fun day, there's a Chinese place north of Fredericksburg that we're really looking forward to anyway. Don't take that away from us!
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Post by Kouign Amann » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:14 pm

Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:It's a fun day, there's a Chinese place north of Fredericksburg that we're really looking forward to anyway. Don't take that away from us!
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:18 pm

Prof.Whoopie wrote:
Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:It's a fun day, there's a Chinese place north of Fredericksburg that we're really looking forward to anyway. Don't take that away from us!
Confirming goodness of said Chinese place.
Ah yes! I almost forgot that we went there together after Cato/Taco with Trey and Matt! See, Aidan knows what's up.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Kouign Amann » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:35 pm

Was the final distribution for this set ever announced? I know there was some debate over what it was going to be. What can we expect when playing it?
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

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Prof.Whoopie wrote:Was the final distribution for this set ever announced? I know there was some debate over what it was going to be. What can we expect when playing it?
Sorry; I thought this was included in the main Fall Novice announcement I linked to in the first post. Here is the distribution:

4/4 Science
4/4 History
4/4 Lit
1/1 Rotating Big Three (in different categories)
2/2 Fine Arts
2/2 RMP
1/1 SS
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:15 pm

MLWGS-Gir wrote:Buzzers:
Spotswood
Cave Spring (2)
Remember, we've got decent buzzers to bring too from CR. And I'd be more than happy to moderate, or help in any way.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:26 pm

Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:
MLWGS-Gir wrote:Buzzers:
Spotswood
Cave Spring (2)
Remember, we've got decent buzzers to bring too from CR. And I'd be more than happy to moderate, or help in any way.
My registration info is based solely on what people post here and what Dr. Barnes remembers to tell me, so, duly noted. Thanks.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:40 pm

While I'm in between rounds at EFT, stopping in to confirm that we were able to negotiate our fees for using the building down a little and this tournament will take place at Maggie Walker.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:37 am

For now, put GDS down for one (1) team, one (1) buzzer, and one (1) qualified moderator. Official through-the-website registration will happen once a few details are ironed out on our end.

EDIT: This information is confirmed. Given my involvement with the set, any opportunity to staff in a game room would be distinctly appreciated.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

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RyuAqua wrote:For now, put GDS down for one (1) team, one (1) buzzer, and one (1) qualified moderator. Official through-the-website registration will happen once a few details are ironed out on our end.
If this tournament stays as small as it is presently, we're probably good on staff, but duly noted. Thanks.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Kouign Amann » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:00 pm

One more question:

Having never been to Maggie Walker before, I am unsure of lunch options. Is there food available within walking distance? Stand-in team driver my mom needs to know if she will be needed during lunch or if she can go hang out with my grandma during that time.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by sir negsalot » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:05 pm

I remember Qdoba, Starbucks, and Cold Stone within walking distance. There are also many others.
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Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:10 pm

We usually walk downtown (5-10 minutes) to Subway or pizza or something. It's really kinda close to the same places we ate at during Cato/Taco, Aidan. That would be a walk to go quite that far, though.
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Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:12 pm

There's a ton of food around (Great Wraps, Subway, Extreme Pizza, Qdoba, etc), and we always include a list with addresses in teams' folders.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Kouign Amann » Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:13 pm

Alright, sweet. Thanks.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Tue Oct 06, 2009 12:11 am

What time are we looking to get things started, Sarah? We obviously have a long drive (i know, it's our own fault for only being able to go to this one and not Whitman, but where's the award for Longest Distance Traveled like at reunions??) so we'd like to know when we have to leave. We're shooting for like 4:45 or 5am... :sad:
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:16 pm

Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:What time are we looking to get things started, Sarah? We obviously have a long drive (i know, it's our own fault for only being able to go to this one and not Whitman, but where's the award for Longest Distance Traveled like at reunions??) so we'd like to know when we have to leave. We're shooting for like 4:45 or 5am... :sad:
Registration from 8-8:45 like usual. I'll be sending out an email to the contacts for all registered teams tomorrow night.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:02 pm

Hey, everyone. We'll be ending registration tomorrow night so we can make a schedule Friday, so if you're still on the fence, please register ASAP. Thanks.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:15 pm

Colin and Cole Academy is down to just Colin, so if you were planning to bring along some subs, up to 3 of them can join that team.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:28 pm

I know I said in the email that we'd probably run a card system, but we could only work that out to 9 games (counting a playoff format), so we're actually going to end up running two brackets of seven with a cross-bracket exhibition game.

After the initial Round Robin, the top 3 teams in each bracket will play the top three teams from the other bracket, followed by the finals/a placement game. The bottom four in each bracket will play the bottom four from the other bracket, giving all teams 11 games, with one packet leftover to break any ties we may have.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:08 pm

That should be fine. I worry a little about the brackets and having them somewhat balanced, but it's probably not a big deal.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:18 am

MLWGS-Gir wrote:I know I said in the email that we'd probably run a card system, but we could only work that out to 9 games (counting a playoff format), so we're actually going to end up running two brackets of seven with a cross-bracket exhibition game.

After the initial Round Robin, the top 3 teams in each bracket will play the top three teams from the other bracket, followed by the finals/a placement game. The bottom four in each bracket will play the bottom four from the other bracket, giving all teams 11 games, with one packet leftover to break any ties we may have.
This has now become two brackets of 6, with Tucker down to 1 team and Colin playing with St. Anselm's. The top 3 teams from each bracket will play another 6-team round robin, as will the bottom 6, leaving us 2 packets for tiebreakers and finals.
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Re: Fall Novice Mirror at Maggie Walker on 10/10

Post by Galstaff, Sorceror of Light » Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:57 pm

Clover Hill defeated Cave Spring B 195-90 in a tiebreaker game to join St. Anselm's, GDS, Collegiate, Tucker, and Cave Spring A in the top bracket.
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