Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:44 am
No it's the one from Georgia who is pretty awesome, yet not enough people voted for them. I put them ahead of Alpharetta, actually.
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My understanding is that is Centennial (GA), noted pretty good team.rmgeokid wrote:Does anyone know if the Centennial listed in the bottom section is Maryland's Centennial? And if so, who voted for them and why?
I think we all need to watch out for LASA. In light of their recent performance at ACF Winter, I feel that I ranked them much too low. In my opinion, they are the #3 team in the nation.Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
I think Maggie Walker and State College this year are the undisputed favorites to win NSC and HSNCT this year. It seems that all it really comes down to are the finals matches for them. Perhaps we should forgo all this playoff nonsense and just institute a BCS system this year. This year's national championship: State College vs Maggie Walked in an 8 round fight for supremacy. In all seriousness though, I think watching the playoffs play out will be very, very interesting.
Congrats! We got votes for the first time as well!Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
I think I did. I forgot where I placed Bellarmine though.tk447 wrote:Congrats! We got votes for the first time as well!Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
When can we see the ballots? I would like to see who voted for us.
I don't know... having personally seen teams like St. Anselm's, Georgetown Day School, and Hunter several times this year... and knowing quite a bit about Dorman and Southside who i believe are better... there are a few other incredible teams that play more tournaments than them, wrote more questions than them, and score higher on PPB than them. But nothing is out of the realm of possibility.Inkana7 wrote:I think we all need to watch out for LASA. In light of their recent performance at ACF Winter, I feel that I ranked them much too low. In my opinion, they are the #3 team in the nation.Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
I think Maggie Walker and State College this year are the undisputed favorites to win NSC and HSNCT this year. It seems that all it really comes down to are the finals matches for them. Perhaps we should forgo all this playoff nonsense and just institute a BCS system this year. This year's national championship: State College vs Maggie Walked in an 8 round fight for supremacy. In all seriousness though, I think watching the playoffs play out will be very, very interesting.
Except that Dorman, St. Anselm's, and GDS didn't score higher PPB than LASA did on Winter, and Southside barely edged them out. I voted them 3rd.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:I don't know... having personally seen teams like St. Anselm's, Georgetown Day School, and Hunter several times this year... and knowing quite a bit about Dorman and Southside who i believe are better... there are a few other incredible teams that play more tournaments than them, wrote more questions than them, and score higher on PPB than them. But nothing is out of the realm of possibility.Inkana7 wrote:I think we all need to watch out for LASA. In light of their recent performance at ACF Winter, I feel that I ranked them much too low. In my opinion, they are the #3 team in the nation.Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
I think Maggie Walker and State College this year are the undisputed favorites to win NSC and HSNCT this year. It seems that all it really comes down to are the finals matches for them. Perhaps we should forgo all this playoff nonsense and just institute a BCS system this year. This year's national championship: State College vs Maggie Walked in an 8 round fight for supremacy. In all seriousness though, I think watching the playoffs play out will be very, very interesting.
I was just throwing those names around, they aren't necessarily better but they/you all play against higher quality teams all year long...Journey to the Planets wrote:Except that Dorman, St. Anselm's, and GDS didn't score higher PPB than LASA did on Winter...Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:I don't know... having personally seen teams like St. Anselm's, Georgetown Day School, and Hunter several times this year... and knowing quite a bit about Dorman and Southside who i believe are better... there are a few other incredible teams that play more tournaments than them, wrote more questions than them, and score higher on PPB than them. But nothing is out of the realm of possibility.Inkana7 wrote:I think we all need to watch out for LASA. In light of their recent performance at ACF Winter, I feel that I ranked them much too low. In my opinion, they are the #3 team in the nation.Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:Hey, Pensacola got a vote !
I think Maggie Walker and State College this year are the undisputed favorites to win NSC and HSNCT this year. It seems that all it really comes down to are the finals matches for them. Perhaps we should forgo all this playoff nonsense and just institute a BCS system this year. This year's national championship: State College vs Maggie Walked in an 8 round fight for supremacy. In all seriousness though, I think watching the playoffs play out will be very, very interesting.
...and that's why i voted them ahead (for among other reasons)....and Southside barely edged them out. I voted them 3rd.
Eh, we beat them earlier this year at Penn. Maybe they had a bad game, but i don't know if CR can beat an actual top 5 or 10 team.RountreeCHS wrote:...DCC,
Really? They have one very awesome player, but what's the rest of the team like? Is there solid help for him?and Alpharetta.
Why is that exactly? That is a shame!As for Centennial (the one in GA): they have a very solid team that is quite quick to what they know without making hardly any mistakes. Unfortunately, I don't know if they will go to many more tournaments this year, including Nationals, which is a real shame.
He said top five team that he played, not actual top five team.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:Eh, we beat them earlier this year at Penn. Maybe they had a bad game, but i don't know if CR can beat an actual top 5 or 10 team.RountreeCHS wrote:...DCC,Really? They have one very awesome player, but what's the rest of the team like? Is there solid help for him?and Alpharetta.
Ah, okay, well in that case, yep.BG MSL Champs wrote:He said top five team that he played, not actual top five team.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:Eh, we beat them earlier this year at Penn. Maybe they had a bad game, but i don't know if CR can beat an actual top 5 or 10 team.RountreeCHS wrote:...DCC,Really? They have one very awesome player, but what's the rest of the team like? Is there solid help for him?and Alpharetta.
To give a biased opinion to try to understand the bias of others... because they're from Texas, and no one from Texas has done extremely well (top 5 or so) in any respected national tournament as far as i know, at least not recently. There's a whole lot of regional bias here. When you see the ballots revealed, you're going to notice people who totally a) overcompensated and overvalued the "Mid-Atlantic" whatever we're calling it, or b) completely ignored states or regions like California and the Midwest just because they're not from there and assume they can't be as good. Previous recognition and achievement also goes a long way... that's the only way that somebody, honestly, could vote for a team like DCC in front of St. Anselm's, when by looking at these stats here it's obvious that they're a better team, even if almost nobody knew who they were last year and DCC has been doing this "good quizbowl" thing since many posters here were still in day care.I would also jump on the LASA bandwagon, and in particular would question how anybody could rank these guys outside of the top ten.
Good point.Cassian wrote:With the likes of State College, Dorman, Charter, St. Anselms, GDS, et. al. along with LASA at Prison Bowl, I'm guessing we'll know a lot more about the national picture then.
If you count either Weekend of Quizbowl, those come pretty close to the Prison Bowl/Penn Gold Standard.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:Good point.Cassian wrote:With the likes of State College, Dorman, Charter, St. Anselms, GDS, et. al. along with LASA at Prison Bowl, I'm guessing we'll know a lot more about the national picture then.
Will this be the most competitive regular season high school tournament of all time? The only ones that i know of that can even challenge are last year's QuAC I (my frontrunner), this year's QuAC II... and another one or two that i guess i can't think of.
Yeah, sorry if I was unclear Coach Chrzanowski. Those teams would be the top 5 (actually top 6) teams we have played in the past few months. Obviously, if we were in the mid-Atlantic playing TJ, MLWGS, Charter, St. Anselm's, WJ, CR, HC, and SC every other weekend, I would have a quite different perspective for sure. (As would likely be the case if I were a coach in California or Minnesota). I am just going by what I have seen with my own eyes in regard to who is the best out of the teams we have played recently (last 6-8 months). Like LASA, I would absolutely include MLWGS in any top 5 list even though we haven't played them this year; Lord knows we played them enough at the HSNCT last year (http://naqt.com/stats/team-performance. ... m_id=16188) to know how good they are (were going to be).BG MSL Champs wrote:He said top five team that he played, not actual top five team.
William is a fantastic player and the closest thing we have to a true generalist in the state (and he is a junior). He has some help on his team, but is primarily a one-man wrecking crew. As I have always stated, you need 2 really good players, at least, to be the best.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:Really? They have one very awesome player, but what's the rest of the team like? Is there solid help for him?
Other than Nationals, WOQ were easily 2 of the most competitive tournaments we have ever been to.Frater Taciturnus wrote:If you count either Weekend of Quizbowl, those come pretty close to the Prison Bowl/Penn Gold Standard.
I put them ahead of us, too. We haven't played head-to-head, but at the two tournaments we've been at they've finished higher than us (by one spot both times). At this point in the season it's hard to tell, but I'd say they're a bit better than us.Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:No it's the one from Georgia who is pretty awesome, yet not enough people voted for them. I put them ahead of Alpharetta, actually.
I agree. I had them at #8 on my ballot. They don't have a lot of stats from this year, but they did really well at ACF Fall and have been going to other college tournaments.BG MSL Champs wrote:As for my actual thoughts, I would say that Eden Prairie is underrated.
I was at Brookwood and faced off against duPont Manual. They told me they were missing their 2 best players and only lost by one question (my friend tells me) to Dorman B, who is talented.AlphaQuizBowler wrote: I feel like the poll is seriously inaccurate in regards to Southern teams. The best explanation I can come up with is that, because of a lack of stats from the region, many people based votes off the preseason poll. How else could DuPont Manual end up ranked 23rd, despite losing to Dorman B at Brookwood? Or Hoover end up 12th, despite losses to us (though I think they were missing players), Dorman B, and Ezell-Harding? Also, I think Centennial deserved to be in the top 20 based on their high finishes at Walton, Brookwood, and Chattahoochee (their only losses coming to Southside and Dorman).
They were missing their best player at Brookwood.AlphaQuizBowler wrote: How else could DuPont Manual end up ranked 23rd, despite losing to Dorman B at Brookwood?
With the exception of really good teams like Dorman and Southside, success (I guess defined as a top 4 finish) at these tournaments rarely translates into success at national tournaments.Also, I think Centennial deserved to be in the top 20 based on their high finishes at Walton, Brookwood, and Chattahoochee (their only losses coming to Southside and Dorman).
Last year, Brookwood (1st at Walton and 2nd at Chattahoochee), finished 14th at NSC and t11th at HSNCT. Chattahoochee (2nd at Walton) finished 17th at NSC and t7th at HSNCT. Walton (3rd at Chattahoochee) finished 11th at NSC and t17th at HSNCT. Even disregarding tournament finish, Centennial still has wins against Dorman B, Central Gwinnett, Ezell-Harding, and Brookwood.Huang wrote:With the exception of really good teams like Dorman and Southside, success (I guess defined as a top 4 finish) at these tournaments rarely translates into success at national tournaments.Also, I think Centennial deserved to be in the top 20 based on their high finishes at Walton, Brookwood, and Chattahoochee (their only losses coming to Southside and Dorman).
Shray Kapoor is an awesome player. Manual is deep, but not having him in a match would make a big difference.SoLegit12 wrote:Sorry, my mistake: they had one of them; however, they were missing their top scorer and captain (Shray, or something like that)
I only see Dorman B (and possibly Central Gwinnett? I've never heard of them until this year. Then again, I never heard of St. Anselm until last year) out of that group as being strong (top 25ish I guess) this year at nationals. I don't think I've seen stats for Ezell-Harding at any of the two nationals before. My experience playing their team is that they're better at speed questions. And the question quality of those three tournaments you listed are also dubious (given the questions are never released online for widespread perusal and the questions I've seen are subpar at best relative to NSC) with maybe the exception of Walton who uses a NAQT set (A-set?).AlphaQuizBowler wrote:Even disregarding tournament finish, Centennial still has wins against Dorman B, Central Gwinnett, Ezell-Harding, and Brookwood.
Ok, that makes sense.Joshua Rutsky wrote:In regards to Hoover, we have lost head-to-head twice to Alpharetta, who has a very good team this year, but haven't had the opportunity for a return match since the losses, which were in the first tourney of the year (the William Rufus King @ Univ. of Alabama), and on an NAQT A-set. At that tourney, we beat Dorman B head-to-head and dropped a close match to Dorman A. At CATT V , we lost to Dorman B while playing with only two of our starters, but made it easily to the quarters with just those two. We also dropped a match to Ezell-Harding at Brookwood in the playoffs, where we just weren't fast enough. Still, if you look at our NAQT IS-set record and our play on similar house sets, we perform much better on those, so maybe that counted for something in some people's eyes.
I'm definitely looking forward to a rematch (especially on better questions than an A-set). Are you guys considering going to WoQ at Clemson?William, good luck with the rest of your season. I know that my kids would very much like to get that rematch before the end of the year, but if we don't, we'll see you and the Alpharetta crew at PACE.
I sure hope so. We'd love to see Hoover (and a lot of other teams) at Clemson in March.AlphaQuizBowler wrote:Are you guys considering going to WoQ at Clemson?
This information will be available this week. I'm sorry if the hurriedness and such of the poll as released is seen as sloppy or incomplete, it was merely my intention to get the rankings out before I left for Penn Bowl.Edward Powers wrote:Will the Mid-Season rankings of each of the 17 voters who submitted a poll be posted? Obviously there is no "science" to such polls, but my guess is that there is a solid consensus for most of the Top 25 teams , with, of course, some interesting differences of opinion as well. So---any chance the entire 17 set of votes will be posted?
Very few teams know who they are. And they're decent, but not incredible. On an NAQT set they averaged under 19ppb this year, which is pretty good. But they never really travel to anything, so i don't see how anyone could consider a team like that in the top 25 in the nation.Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:I'm surprised Horace Greeley didn't get any votes.
They appear to be at the same level as Bergen and St. Joseph's (NJ) and they both got a couple of votes. It probably has to do with the fact that they are mainly a team still.Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:
I'm surprised Horace Greeley didn't get any votes.
Very few teams know who they are. And they're decent, but not incredible. On an NAQT set they averaged under 19ppb this year, which is pretty good. But they never really travel to anything, so i don't see how anyone could consider a team like that in the top 25 in the nation.
*insert 1872 Presidential Election joke here*Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:I'm surprised Horace Greeley didn't get any votes.
The poll, while fun and a good starting point of determining which programs are pretty good, does have flaws. One of these I've noticed is that if you post a lot, you get more votes. If you're a traditional powerhouse, you get more votes.Theory Of The Leisure Flask wrote:I'm surprised Horace Greeley didn't get any votes.
Are you talking about quizbowl or college football?FredMorlan wrote:The poll, while fun and a good starting point of determining which programs are pretty good, does have flaws. One of these I've noticed is that if you post a lot, you get more votes. If you're a traditional powerhouse, you get more votes.
Yes.Wall of Ham wrote:Are you talking about quizbowl or college football?FredMorlan wrote:The poll, while fun and a good starting point of determining which programs are pretty good, does have flaws. One of these I've noticed is that if you post a lot, you get more votes. If you're a traditional powerhouse, you get more votes.
Yeah we managed to get votes in last season's midseason poll...somehow. It's really hard to figure out which teams are the best when your comparing teams that haven't played each other. This is probably the most effective method unless something akin to College Football's computers comes to fruition (i.e. something that factors in more than just record and strength of schedule) but I don't know if something like that would be all that effective.FredMorlan wrote: If you're a traditional powerhouse, you get more votes.