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'09-10 HS Midseason Poll - Congratulations State College!

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:32 pm
by AKKOLADE
Give me your top 25 in order, 1 to 25. Teams will get 25 points for a 1st place vote, 24 for 2nd, and so on. Please indicate the state of the school when including them.

Email them to me at [email protected]. Please include hsquizbowl Top 25 in the subject of your email.

Your ballots will be posted alongside your actual name. Ballots that are bad will be rejected; if I have enough time, I'll prompt you for reasoning and what not.

Remember that the poll is intended for a general ranking of how good teams are. You should consider the team's best possible performance, as if all players were available for play. B teams are eligible to be ranked.

Edit: Results found at http://hsquizbowl.org/blog/?p=143 ; discussion starts on the very last post of this page.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:38 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Cool. When is the deadline for the ballots to come in?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:25 pm
by AKKOLADE
To be determined; no sooner than a week.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:11 am
by Unicolored Jay
Results from Ohio tournaments here, in case they make any difference in the polls, and because most people here aren't aware of what goes on in our state (they're not always posted on this forum).

Edit: I forgot to indicate the state of all of the teams I ranked-should I resend it?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:32 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Submitted mine today. This was pretty darn hard. I feel like this was even harder than the preseason poll when i had less information...

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:10 pm
by AlphaQuizBowler
Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:Submitted mine today. This was pretty darn hard. I feel like this was even harder than the preseason poll when i had less information...
Well I hope this one is at least more accurate than the Pre-Season poll. That said, it was difficult. I'm not sure if I my cross-region rankings are very accurate.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:19 pm
by Unicolored Jay
I'm starting to think that I missed a team (or more!) that really deserves a ranking.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:02 am
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Bird Sonata wrote:I'm starting to think that I missed a team (or more!) that really deserves a ranking.
That happens every time. That's why it's a Top 25 and not a Top Whatever Teams You Feel Like Are 'Kinda Good!'

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:29 am
by New York Undercover
This is my first time attempting this... doubtful I'll do it again. Just too intensive.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:59 am
by AlphaQuizBowler
Bird Sonata wrote:I'm starting to think that I missed a team (or more!) that really deserves a ranking.
I have to thank you for posting the Ohio results or I think I would definitely have.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:46 am
by Tanay
I would totally do this, but I don't feel qualified enough to comment on teams outside the Bay Area. In any case, it will be interesting to see how the rest of the nation stacks up.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:14 am
by gyre and gimble
Part of the reason why I found this difficult was that there are some teams out there of excellent repute, and that I have a feeling are very good, but haven't attended enough tournaments to give me a reason to rank them highly. So my list probably isn't accurate in reality, although I tried to make it accurate for the purposes of a midseason poll, which, really, is based on performance thus far, which itself relies on attending tournaments in the first place.

EDIT: On that note, I think I might have ranked a certain San Diego team too highly, because it's only attended 2 tournaments but I happen to know just about everything about said team.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:41 pm
by master15625
gyre and gimble wrote: EDIT: On that note, I think I might have ranked a certain San Diego team too highly, because it's only attended 2 tournaments but I happen to know just about everything about said team.
Lol, nice. I mean it happens a lot when one may rank his own team higher than others might agree with, but no one can really say that he is wrong in his estimation. If one hasn't been able to see how everyone is, the ranking will be off.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:33 pm
by Unicolored Jay
master15625 wrote:
gyre and gimble wrote: EDIT: On that note, I think I might have ranked a certain San Diego team too highly, because it's only attended 2 tournaments but I happen to know just about everything about said team.
Lol, nice. I mean it happens a lot when one may rank his own team higher than others might agree with, but no one can really say that he is wrong in his estimation. If one hasn't been able to see how everyone is, the ranking will be off.
Or the other way around.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:18 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Hey, get in your ballots everybody. I'm sure this won't be open for too much longer.

How many voting members do we have so far, Fred?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:02 pm
by AKKOLADE
I have ballots from:

Matt Bollinger
Jasper Lee
Stephen Liu
Isaac Hirsch
George Berry
Aidan Mehigan
Jarret Greene
Ed Powers
Graham Moyer
William Horton
Benji Nguyen
Watson Ladd
CHRZ~
Jacob Ingram

I haven't looked ballots over yet, so I may need to email people about their ballots. I'll still accept new ballots of course. I'll take them for at least another week, possibly longer due to the tournament I'm working on coming up.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:31 am
by The King's Flight to the Scots
I feel like we haven't had a real, comprehensive discussion of the high school quizbowl scene this year. Since Fred's busy with numerous quizbowl-saving projects at the moment, I'd like to take this time to elicit some thoughts on various teams' prospects.

The way I see it, this year's nationals field is divided into a few tiers. The top tier is composed of State College and Maggie Walker. Frankly, these two teams are far ahead of anyone else, and their records show it: neither has lost to a single team, high school or college, besides the other. However, neither of them are invincible, since both of them have specific weaknesses in terms of knowledge base and playing skill.

Though Maggie Walker was in front at the beginning of the season, I have to put State College ahead for now, given State College's masterful performance at ACF Fall and my personal experience playing both teams. Superficially, State College, like Dorman, is a team of four specialists who dominate their categories. However, all four have pockets of deep knowledge outside their assigned categories, to the extent that I'm never really sure who I'm competing with for the next tossup. I've seen David and Monica buzz on science, Graham and Christoph buzz on painting, and all four buzz
on lit at one time or another (though Graham is clearly dominant on the latter category). All four players are strong enough generalists to do well playing solo against an average field. This distribution of knowledge gives them an added strength, since in the unlikely event that Graham doesn't know much about a book, there's a good chance that one of his teammates will have read it. In addition to this fearsome teamwork, State College has shown more improvement over the course of the season than any other team. Though they went 1-2 against Gov at EFT, State College blew Gov out by some 300 points at ACF Fall while putting up more ppb on that set than any high school or collegiate team in the nation.

What needs to be said about Maggie Walker? They cracked the top 5 at both nationals last year with largely the same team that they have now. Tommy is devastating on lit, philosophy, and music; Greg will unnerve you with his History and Geo buzzes; and both will sneak in good buzzes on all categories with their solid general knowledge. Though Sarah doesn't have the general "quizbowl knowledge" of her teammates, she can outright shock you with the real knowledge she has gleaned from voracious reading. JR is shadowed a lot, but he can provide critical support, especially on NAQT. As for Quint...who knows what's up with him, but if he returns and starts studying to fill up Maggie Walker's relatively patchy, mostly quizbowl science knowledge, he could be an important factor in close games. I may be putting Gov a little lower than State College, but this is largely based on one game at ACF Fall in which State College won a resounding victory. It's worth noting that Gov bounced back the next game to come within ten points of their opponents. It's also worth noting that they beat State College twice at UVA's EFT mirror. From what I can tell, Maggie Walker is one step behind State College, but this conclusion could very well be based on statistical anomalies: both teams are still very much in the running for a national championship.

Now, as for their weaknesses. A recurring theme here is that both teams have largely overcome their weaknesses from the past year, but in certain circumstances, they can relapse into their old habits and play bad games. Gov's major weakness is their lack of aggression. They've certainly improved since last year, but they're reluctant to buzz on gut feelings or context clues. When they start missing tossups they feel they should get, they retreat into their shell and start buzzing much later than they should. If Maggie Walker is going to take an upset this year, that's how it's going to happen. Conversely, State College sometimes gets a little too excited and goes on neg sprees. It doesn't happen nearly as often or as intensely as it used to, but if they're playing a match they expect to win, they sometimes start buzzing a little too early and negging a couple times too many. Graham partially attested to this by winning the neg prize at GSAC despite the presence of several super-generalists at that tournament. However, neither team has a truly crippling weakness: it's very possible that by Nationals, they will be the two best teams in the history of high school quizbowl.

Now let's look at the nebulously-defined "second-tier". These are the teams who are competing for the remaining slots in the top five; these are the teams who could help decide a national title by upsetting one of the top teams on a good day. In no particular order, I'll list out who I think belongs in this category:

Southside
Dorman
St. Anselm's
GDS
LASA
Hunter
DCDS

Southside is probably a little ahead of the others in this tier, and St. Anselm's is probably hanging onto the end, though I'll toot my own horn a bit by saying that we've improved more drastically over the past year than any other team on the list, with the possible exception of the individual members of State College. I'm not really sure what to make of Dorman: an NAQT powerhouse, this team's put up mind-blowing numbers and won some important matches (including a victory against Southside at ACF Fall), but they've also taken some surprising losses, like losing to their own B team at Princeton. However, I still think they're near the top here, since Dorman has always improved dramatically over the course of the year. Their attendance at college tournaments will be watched with interest.

LASA's another one where I'm not totally sure what to think. In my ballot, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and put them at fourth or so; however, they haven't really competed against anyone good besides Henry Gorman and his Rice Buddies. Nevertheless, in my mind, beating the defending champion of both nationals in one match and coming close in several others earns them a spot near the top. Prison Bowl should show reveal a lot about this team and others(DON'T MESS THIS UP GUY TABACHNICK).

GDS and DCDS are both one-man teams, but really damn good ones. To be honest, I have to put Matt Jackson ahead of Neil Gurram here, just because Matt seems to play more tournaments, and writing Ben Cooper should make him far
better. We just have to see if Matt can find time for qb in between acting, school, and having a normal life (YOU FOOL). Even if he doesn't, though, this is the guy who spent the first half of the semester trampling over every team in the DC area. He'll do fine. As for Neil...I really don't know what he can do outside of NAQT, but I get the feeling this is one awesome player. We shall see.

Hunter's another tough team to figure out. I'm going to say that we went a bit too far in putting them 3rd (or 4th, whatever it was). However, since they've been missing their 2nd man at nearly every tournament this semester, it's hard to get a read on exactly where they stand. Given their prowess on higher-level questions, I'm going to say that they'll do better at Nationals than they have at regular high school tournaments. Even though St. Anselm's beat an undermanned Hunter at QuAC, all things considered, I'm obliged to put Hunter ahead of us.

Now for St. Anselm's. Come on, now, did we come out of nowhere or what? At this time last year, 95% of you had never heard of us. Well, enough bragging. I honestly have no idea how we'll do at Nationals: it depends on whether we can fill up some of our crippling knowledge gaps (SCIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCE!) and refrain from negging ourselves into losing a game we should have won. I guess we're worse at NAQT, but it doesn't really matter, since I doubt we'll be attending HSNCT. Nevertheless, I'm optimistic about our performance at PACE, and I'm shooting for that spot in the "superplayoffs." On a personal note, I'm glad we've gotten as far as we have, if only to get into this community. You guys have been great, and this game is awesome once you know how to improve.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:32 am
by The King's Flight to the Scots
There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few. If someone wants to elaborate here, they can, but I'm exhausted from typing up what I already have. It's possible I'm underrating some of these teams, and some of you are probably raising your eyebrows at where I put Charter. Honestly, Charter seems far, far better at NAQT than they are on ACF-style questions: their performance at QuAC was not spectacular. We'll see if that was an aberration or the trend, but I don't really see Charter getting higher than 13th or so at PACE. Nevertheless, this post is only a status report, and quizbowl is all about improvement. Any of these teams could step up, and any of them could drop out of the running. I'm looking forward to my first national tournament to see what happens.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:49 am
by dtaylor4
A bit about Auburn, strictly from a statistical perspective:

Lloyd, a sophomore, does much of the heavy lifting. He regularly outscores his teammates. That being said, the Haseeb brothers have the ability to step it up in big games (see the two finals games at New Trier Varsity). They have been known to take occasional losses to St. Ignatius, but overall this team has Andrew's number.

Due to their youth, I wouldn't put them that high yet, but given that half of their A team will be around for two more years, I'd be scared of this team come 2011 and 2012.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:12 am
by Tanay
Mission San Jose should be in the second or third tier, considering their 11th place finish at HSNCT last year with most of their team returning.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:25 am
by kayli
By the way, do you have an estimate as to when the poll released will be released?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:54 am
by Rufous-capped Thornbill
I feel obligated to toot the horn of Ohio here.

Before last weekend, if you would have asked be who the clear-cut #1 team in Ohio was, I'd tell you it was Solon easy. They had trampled all over the rest of Ohio's top teams at NAQT and OAC events. They are incredibly balanced with a tremendously deep knowledge base. I've played them twice, and we out-tossup'd them both times, but lost both due to their tremendous bonus conversion(27ppb and 25ppb). At the Rowdy Raider Invitational(IS-88) they blew out everyone in the field except for Dunbar.

However, at the OSU Winter Tournament(HSAPQ-8) this Saturday, they were defeated twice by Northmont. Albeit, they were down one of their A-team members, but they still averaged 23.2ppb(Better than everyone sans GDS A at the U of Maryland's event on the same questions). However, Northmont put up an incredible performance at this tournament and went undefeated, despite the presence of most of the best teams in Ohio. This is interesting to be because Northmont is not this good on NAQT. But they were very, very good on HSAPQ. If they go to PACE they will be a dangerous team to face for most of the field.

I feel that these two teams deserve some strong consideration for that "third" tier of teams talked about above. Having played both I can say that they are very, very good.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:12 am
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
That's cool and all, but Solon still had 3ppb higher than them: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings I put Solon in my top 25 and i think it's justified, but this one result, i think, doesn't put Northmont up there as well.

Perhaps in time. I did briefly consider it. They'd be in a Top 35 for sure, if that's worth anything.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:31 pm
by Rufous-capped Thornbill
Dr. Isaac Yankem, DDS wrote:That's cool and all, but Solon still had 3ppb higher than them: http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings I put Solon in my top 25 and i think it's justified, but this one result, i think, doesn't put Northmont up there as well.

Perhaps in time. I did briefly consider it. They'd be in a Top 35 for sure, if that's worth anything.
Yes, I still think Solon is the best in the state, but I just wanted to shine some light on Northmont. They were very impressive this Saturday.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:33 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Mmhm, you're right. Like i said, if i got to include another 10 teams or so, they probably would have been in the mix. It's clearly a team on the rise. I saw this in the results from them at the end of last year, but until this recent development i didn't think they could be top 25 material. With enough work, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

As much as we can debate the top two or top eight or top twenty-five... i love talking about these sorts of teams like Northmont because there are so many more variables to consider. It's more fun when a team off the radar shocks everyone with a top 15 finish at Nationals or something.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:45 pm
by AKKOLADE
Voting closes January 24

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:25 pm
by Unicolored Jay
Inkana7 wrote:I feel obligated to toot the horn of Ohio here.

Before last weekend, if you would have asked be who the clear-cut #1 team in Ohio was, I'd tell you it was Solon easy. They had trampled all over the rest of Ohio's top teams at NAQT and OAC events. They are incredibly balanced with a tremendously deep knowledge base. I've played them twice, and we out-tossup'd them both times, but lost both due to their tremendous bonus conversion(27ppb and 25ppb). At the Rowdy Raider Invitational(IS-88) they blew out everyone in the field except for Dunbar.

However, at the OSU Winter Tournament(HSAPQ-8) this Saturday, they were defeated twice by Northmont. Albeit, they were down one of their A-team members, but they still averaged 23.2ppb(Better than everyone sans GDS A at the U of Maryland's event on the same questions). However, Northmont put up an incredible performance at this tournament and went undefeated, despite the presence of most of the best teams in Ohio. This is interesting to be because Northmont is not this good on NAQT. But they were very, very good on HSAPQ. If they go to PACE they will be a dangerous team to face for most of the field.

I feel that these two teams deserve some strong consideration for that "third" tier of teams talked about above. Having played both I can say that they are very, very good.
Thanks, Jarret. I don't think I've heard this much praise about us any year I've been playing. :oops:

I agree that Northmont is very good, especially in HSAPQ, but you'll find easily that, aside from me, the team is not so good at that format. Lit and Fine Arts are things everyone except me seem to lack in particular, and the problem of being down one person that day was that he was by far our best science player (especially in the physical sciences), which produced another hole that nobody else could cover. I'm not going to blame any losses because of that, but just by looking at stats, it seems that we need some balance on TU/B formats not called NAQT if we're going to do well. (especially at the NSC, which we're interested in going to)

Edit: One glaring problem is, though, that we become lethargic after lunch. I don't know how to consistently avoid this, but it keeps on happening.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:38 pm
by AlphaQuizBowler
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:37 pm
by The King's Flight to the Scots
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.
Yeah, I can see that. As I said, that "third-tier" list was just something I churned out to finish off the post.

By the way, I was thinking of putting you guys in the second or third tier, but I really haven't seen any stats for you this year. What would you say?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:12 pm
by AlphaQuizBowler
Journey to the Planets wrote:
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.
Yeah, I can see that. As I said, that "third-tier" list was just something I churned out to finish off the post.

By the way, I was thinking of putting you guys in the second or third tier, but I really haven't seen any stats for you this year. What would you say?
Here are some stats:
Alabama
UTC Prelims Playoffs
UGA

The other tournaments we played in didn't post stats.

I ranked Alpharetta on my ballot, as we've managed to beat some of the teams with pretty high preseason rankings (Hoover, MLK). I don't want to say much more before the ballots are in.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:36 pm
by The King's Flight to the Scots
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.
Yeah, I can see that. As I said, that "third-tier" list was just something I churned out to finish off the post.

By the way, I was thinking of putting you guys in the second or third tier, but I really haven't seen any stats for you this year. What would you say?
Here are some stats:
Alabama
UTC Prelims Playoffs
UGA

The other tournaments we played in didn't post stats.

I ranked Alpharetta on my ballot, as we've managed to beat some of the teams with pretty high preseason rankings (Hoover, MLK). I don't want to say much more before the ballots are in.
24+ ppb on HSAPQ set 8? Yeah, you guys are definitely up there. Hard to say where, exactly, since powers weren't recorded, but I'd be excited/nervous to play you sometime.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:57 pm
by Kouign Amann
Bird Sonata wrote: Edit: One glaring problem is, though, that we become lethargic after lunch. I don't know how to consistently avoid this, but it keeps on happening.
Paging Eric Douglass.....

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:03 pm
by Rufous-capped Thornbill
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.
And what do you think about DCC? I believe I had them 15th or so on my ballot. I know close doesn't count, but they've had close games with both Dorman and DCD this year.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:11 pm
by AlphaQuizBowler
Inkana7 wrote:
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
Journey to the Planets wrote:There are some other teams on the borderline: Charter, Kellenberg, Auburn, Torrey Pines, Dunbar, and TJ, to name a few.
I know some players on the Auburn team, so I hope they won't take it the wrong way, but I you're overrating them here. Lloyd is an amazing player (as are Zahed and Abid), and they did put up good stats on HFT, but I got the chance to play most of them at ACE, and I don't see them finishing top 10 or top 20 at nationals this year. I agree with Donald that they're definitely a team to watch.

I put DCD at 15th on my ballot. They may be great at NAQT, but I don't see them as a top 5 team.

I'd put Eden Prairie among the "second-tier" teams--they're playing college tournaments and they put up good stats at ACF Fall.
And what do you think about DCC? I believe I had them 15th or so on my ballot. I know close doesn't count, but they've had close games with both Dorman and DCD this year.
I put them lower because of losses to Solon here and here, though I can't exactly tell whether their top 4 were at both tournaments.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:13 pm
by dxdtdemon
I think that at least three of the top four were at Tippecanoe, but their A team was at Quaker Bowl while their B team played as "DCC A" at Bowling Green.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:32 pm
by AlphaQuizBowler
quantumfootball wrote:I think that at least three of the top four were at Tippecanoe, but their A team was at Quaker Bowl while their B team played as "DCC A" at Bowling Green.
Well that just messes up everything.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:11 am
by swwFCqb
AlphaQuizBowler wrote:
quantumfootball wrote:I think that at least three of the top four were at Tippecanoe, but their A team was at Quaker Bowl while their B team played as "DCC A" at Bowling Green.
Well that just messes up everything.
Keep in mind that they were both on NAQT A-sets as well.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:17 pm
by btressler
Journey to the Planets wrote:It's possible I'm underrating some of these teams, and some of you are probably raising your eyebrows at where I put Charter. Honestly, Charter seems far, far better at NAQT than they are on ACF-style questions: their performance at QuAC was not spectacular. We'll see if that was an aberration or the trend, but I don't really see Charter getting higher than 13th or so at PACE.
This is probably an accurate statement. We've always been better at NAQT than ACF-style questions. We are very strong in history this year, but that can't carry us by itself.

This isn't any bias on my part. I give the kids any resource they want. In fact, we've doing an ACF Fall in practice at the moment.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:10 pm
by Down and out in Quintana Roo
Last weekend to get your votes in, it seems. Interested in the results.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:44 pm
by Angry Babies in Love
So will this be coming out in the next few days?

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:29 pm
by AKKOLADE
I'm going to pass these off to George Berry, so he can count the votes. I'm too tied up with school work & other qb stuff at the moment to get it done any time soon.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:40 am
by AKKOLADE
STOP ASKING PEOPLE WHEN THE POLL WILL BE PUT UP

IT WILL BE PUT UP WHEN IT IS UP

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:45 pm
by Frater Taciturnus
Voters who are especially anxious for this to be released should probably forward me their ballot so I can do this sooner.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:32 pm
by AKKOLADE
I just forwarded what I have to you. I was taking a quiz! I explained the scientific method using Brett Favre! I'm a terrible student!

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:36 pm
by AKKOLADE
I think you have all the ballots now.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:08 pm
by Mechanical Beasts
FredMorlan wrote:I just forwarded what I have to you. I was taking a quiz! I explained the scientific method using Brett Favre! I'm a terrible student!
1. Make a null hypothesis.
Okay, okay. "Whether or not I betray Green Bay and come back out of retirement a thousand times or not, my career will still end with an interception wherein I was just a kid."
etc.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:14 pm
by AKKOLADE
Yeah, that was pretty much it.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:15 pm
by Frater Taciturnus
I expect it to take me an evening to finish this, and will have ready for posting sometime tomorrow.

EDIT: This will be posted tonight, once I make a write up, after this class ends!

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:27 am
by at your pleasure
Poll results are up on the front page, it seems.

Re: '09-10 HS Midseason Poll

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:41 am
by Angry Babies in Love
Does anyone know if the Centennial listed in the bottom section is Maryland's Centennial? And if so, who voted for them and why?