NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

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NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:49 pm

The UCLA College Bowl Club is pleased to announce it has been selected to host the NAQT Southern California Championship Tournament.

DATE: Saturday, April 3rd, 2010

PARKING: Parking is $10 at various lots throughout the UCLA campus. We suggest using lot 6 due to proximity to the tournament site.

VENUE: Ackerman Student Union, with opening session in the lounge on the 3rd floor outside the elevators on the UCLA campus

SCHEDULE:
8:00 A.M. – 8:30 A.M.: Registration Period (All teams must be accounted for by 8:30 A.M. PST)
8:30 A.M. – 9:00 A.M.: Rules Meeting / Moderator Meeting
9:00 A.M.: Tournament Play
Around 1:00 P.M.: Lunch
2:00 P.M.: Afternoon Play -> Playoffs

FOOD:
Breakfast: TBA - Likely will be just juice, maybe some mini muffins. This will be updated when we approach the tournament date

Lunch: Lunch is available on-campus. Hours of Operation vary for each dining option, but Ackerman Union is definitely open during the weekend. We are also able to order in pizzas for teams that request so ahead of time.

ELIGIBILITY: All high school teams are eligible.

FORMAT: Twenty tossup-bonus cycles, with both powers and negs on IS-95. We will run a round robin in the morning and either a re-bracketed afternoon round robin or a double elimination bracket, guaranteeing every team at least 8 games, and we are hoping to give every team 10 games to assign a final ranking.

PRICING STRUCTURE:
We are currently exploring various sources of funding to help defray the costs for teams. If we are unable to find any, the following fee structure will be used:
Base: $80 for first team
Additional teams: $70
Additional paper copies of packets: $10
Discounts:
-$5 for a fully functional buzzer system
-$10 for a pre-approved staff member
-$20 off total for a school in either its first or second year of pyramidal competition

All schools will receive 1 paper copy of the questions with their first team.

The field will be capped at 16 teams unless there is excessive demand complimented by excessive resources.

WARNING! If you cannot have payment by tournament date, please contact the TD with at least 24 hours notice. If you arrive without warning of delinquent payment to tournament, we will assess a $50 penalty to be paid immediately in addition to the regular payment, which must be received by us within ten business days.

Checks should be made out to "College Bowl Club of UCLA". Please do NOT change this wording. For reasons of financial security, if possible, please bring the check to the tournament rather than mailing it in advance.

REGISTRATION:
The TD for this tournament is Ian Drayer. The current registration deadline is Thursday, April 1st at 5 PM.

If you are planning to come, please e-mail Golran@ucla(dot)edu with:
1) Your school's name
2) Coach (or adult representative) name and e-mail address
3) The number of teams you are bringing
4) The number of buzzer systems and any other discounts you wish to validate

If you have any questions, please e-mail us.

We will keep you updated with more news as the tournament date approaches.
We hope to see you on Saturday April 3rd!

Thank You!

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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by fee6 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:31 pm

Is this invitation only?
If not, expect 1-2 teams from Diamond Bar.
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Post by Golran » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:12 am

This tournament is open to all high school teams located in the Southern California region. This post will be reserved for field updates:

Teams Registered:
1) Edison A
2) Edison B
3) La Jolla A
4) La Jolla B
5) Torrey Pines A
6) Torrey Pines B
7) Tustin A (1 buzzer)
8) University High School B
9) University High School A (1 buzzer)
10)El Camino Real HS A
11)North Hollywood A (2 buzzers)
12)North Hollywood B
13)Santa Monica A
14)Santa Monica B
15)Rancho Alamitos A (1 buzzer, 1 reader)
16)Rancho Alamitos B
17)Diamond Bar A
18)Rancho Bernardo A (1 reader)
19)Rancho Bernardo B
20)La Jolla C
21)Arcadia A (2 buzzer, 1 reader)
22)Arcadia B
23)Arcadia C
24)Arcadia D
Total: 24
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:58 pm

I was just informed that April 3rd is Easter weekend. Would April 17th be a better date for teams?
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Post by LucasBrown » Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:14 am

RB's in for 3 teams and a buzzer set.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:48 pm

The only free rooms were taken for the 17th, so we are going to have to stick with the 3rd. I'm still looking for university funding to reduce fees even further (my goal is somewhere in the $30-$40 per team range), while improving our prizes (There will be trophies for 1st and 2nd place schools in addition to book prizes).
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by gyre and gimble » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:24 pm

dinoian wrote: I'm still looking for university funding to reduce fees even further (my goal is somewhere in the $30-$40 per team range), while improving our prizes (There will be trophies for 1st and 2nd place schools in addition to book prizes).
That would be the coolest thing ever.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:41 pm

dinoian wrote: Brophy 2 (Can an Arizona team come to this? Someone from NAQT, help us out?)
I seem to recall both Solon and DCC attending Indiana NAQT state, as well as hearing about I think Shady Side coming to Ohio's NAQT state years back. The first two are for sure, but I can't say that Shady Side came with any certainty.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by dtaylor4 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:49 pm

In 2004, Loyola Academy won the Iowa NAQT State Qualifier, so precedent is certainly there.

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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:03 pm

dinoian wrote:Brophy 2 (Can an Arizona team come to this? Someone from NAQT, help us out?)
Sorry I didn't see this before.
NAQT state championship hosting guidelines wrote:State Championships and Qualifiers are restricted to teams from a single state unless prior arrangements have been made with NAQT.
That being said, we haven't been able to schedule an Arizona state event, so I'm confident we would approve of Arizona teams traveling to California.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by wexs883198215 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:31 pm

Wait, so since there isn't a Maryland Championship either, does that mean Maryland teams are free to barge into any other state championship to qualify, like at Delaware?
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Post by Important Bird Area » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:34 pm

Maryland has so many more choices for tournament hosts that I'm sure we'd do everything we could to have a real state championship. (Compare Arizona, where the only NAQT event all spring is on IS #93A.)
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Post by at your pleasure » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:35 pm

Also, how much interest is there in a MD state championship?
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Post by Mechanical Beasts » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:39 pm

Inkana7 wrote:
dinoian wrote: Brophy 2 (Can an Arizona team come to this? Someone from NAQT, help us out?)
I seem to recall both Solon and DCC attending Indiana NAQT state, as well as hearing about I think Shady Side coming to Ohio's NAQT state years back. The first two are for sure, but I can't say that Shady Side came with any certainty.
We did; we were an exhibition team, essentially.
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Post by wexs883198215 » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:58 pm

Doink the Clown wrote:Also, how much interest is there in a MD state championship?
Well, WJ would like to qualify. I'm not sure if that many other teams still need to though.
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Post by evilmonkey » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:13 pm

Inkana7 wrote:
dinoian wrote: Brophy 2 (Can an Arizona team come to this? Someone from NAQT, help us out?)
I seem to recall both Solon and DCC attending Indiana NAQT state, as well as hearing about I think Shady Side coming to Ohio's NAQT state years back. The first two are for sure, but I can't say that Shady Side came with any certainty.
DCC has never attended Indiana NAQT State. But Solon did in 2004.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:09 am

Our field is almost full for now; we should be able to expand the field, but we will need to make sure we are able to staff all the teams. If we find there are more teams, we will send out a request to other clubs to help staff.
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Post by LucasBrown » Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:17 am

I noticed that RB is listed as "interested." We are definitely more than "interested;" we will send at least one team, possibly four, but more likely 2 or 3.
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Post by Golran » Sat Jan 30, 2010 3:02 am

We've reached our initial field cap. I'm going to get more rooms on Monday.
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Post by Golran » Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:48 pm

I have reserved more rooms, and now we have 12 rooms. We will be firmly capping this tournament at 24 teams, which will be 3 Round Robin Brackets (7 rounds), followed by 4 Re-brackets (4 rounds) for a total of 11 rounds against 11 different teams, followed by a final. Final placement will be determined only by record against teams in the same playoff bracket. Ties in record for advancing to a higher playoff bracket will be played off on half-packets.

I'm still working on getting funding, filling out paperwork later this week.
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Post by warpoet » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:03 pm

gyre and gimble wrote:
dinoian wrote: I'm still looking for university funding to reduce fees even further (my goal is somewhere in the $30-$40 per team range), while improving our prizes (There will be trophies for 1st and 2nd place schools in addition to book prizes).
That would be the coolest thing ever.
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Post by Golran » Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:26 am

It's looking unlikely for this event; pretty much everything requires the program to cater specifically to underprivileged high schools, which I do not believe most quizbowl playing schools are. I was able to get all the needed rooms for free (spans two adjoining buildings), so we may be able to reduce fees a little bit even from the $80. I'm going to try to convert us to a club sport so we can get some general funding to go to events ourselves so that we can reduce fees so that we barely make a profit.
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Post by warpoet » Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:45 am

SAMO is considering sending a second team, if there's still room, that is...
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Post by Golran » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:58 am

Yes, there is still room. I have you down as 1-2.
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Post by Sun Devil Student » Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:24 pm

Wow, Brophy has a team? We never knew.

We're currently looking into the possibility of hosting a high school tournament, and I've asked my former AcDec people (most of the freshmen in my team) to investigate their alma maters for possible high school teams. We don't expect to make much money, if at all; this would be purely a service to the quizbowl community for at least a few years, until the teams get developed enough to start paying registration fees.

But, would this force Brophy (or other Arizona teams) to withdraw from all California events the moment there exists an event in their home state? Or is it still each team's choice where to go?

By the way, are there any other Arizona high schools in quizbowl (besides Brophy)? If so, does anyone here know how to contact them?

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Sun Devil Student wrote:Wow, Brophy has a team? We never knew.

But, would this force Brophy (or other Arizona teams) to withdraw from all California events the moment there exists an event in their home state? Or is it still each team's choice where to go?

By the way, are there any other Arizona high schools in quizbowl (besides Brophy)? If so, does anyone here know how to contact them?

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They would have to withdraw from state championship tournaments but nothing else. If Brophy wants travel to every single California tournament save the state championship and every single Arizona tournament they can do so.
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Post by Sun Devil Student » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:09 pm

Hmm, so that means if we do manage to pull it off, we're assured of getting at least two teams (Brophy's) in our field, if nothing else.

Know any other Arizona schools that are in quizbowl already? (Especially any that can afford to pay registration fees... which would help us at least break even)
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Post by Golran » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:19 pm

Our field has reached its capacity, and so any future teams will be placed on a waiting list. For the teams that are listed variably above in the field update, please let me know how many you will be bringing so I know if we can let in teams off the wait list.
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Post by Joe Romersa » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:14 pm

Dave Breger wrote:
Sun Devil Student wrote:Wow, Brophy has a team? We never knew.

But, would this force Brophy (or other Arizona teams) to withdraw from all California events the moment there exists an event in their home state? Or is it still each team's choice where to go?

By the way, are there any other Arizona high schools in quizbowl (besides Brophy)? If so, does anyone here know how to contact them?

Thanks!
They would have to withdraw from state championship tournaments but nothing else. If Brophy wants travel to every single California tournament save the state championship and every single Arizona tournament they can do so.
But what if no other teams register (knock on wood) and they have to to cancel Arizona's State Champs. Where does that leave Brophy, who would have been forced out of SoCal State Champs and their spots likely filled?
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Post by Golran » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:26 pm

Bump to request that teams that are still variable let us know really soon so we can tell the teams on the waitlist their fate!

Also, additional staff from local clubs would be much appreciated. We will split the proceeds from this tournament the same way Irvine did with SCIENCE; i.e. UCLA will take half, and all other schools will get an amount proportional to the number of staffers they bring. We will also reimburse car parking and provide lunch!
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Post by Auroni » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:00 pm

I might be able to staff, but I'm not sure yet.
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Post by LucasBrown » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:02 am

Freidank wrote:Bump to request that teams that are still variable let us know really soon so we can tell the teams on the waitlist their fate! Also, additional staff from local clubs would be much appreciated.
I wouldn't expect a final count until about a week before the tournament. However, we can almost certainly provide one staffer.

***EDIT to avoid repost*** We can also bring at least one buzzer system.
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Post by Golran » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:48 am

Slight change to format so as to allow more teams to be in contention for the championship, we will have 4 brackets of 6 in the morning (5 rounds), with the top two moving to the top bracket, next two to middle bracket, final two to the consolation bracket. Any ties will be played off on half-packets. These brackets of 8 will play 6 rounds against the 6 teams that they have not played against, with the preliminary game against the team that was in the same bracket only carrying over. An ACF style final will be played if no team clears the field by two games; a one game difference will lead to an advantaged final, and a tie will lead to a one game final. If teams are tied for second and within one game of first in any division, they will play off that difference with a half packet for entrance to an advantaged final in favor of the first place team. This format guarantees 11 games against 11 different teams for all, with 8 teams still in contention for the championship after preliminary rounds, and no team eliminated with just one loss (would take one regular loss, and 2 tiebreaker losses at least).

Trophies will be awarded to up to 5 members of each of the top 3 teams, the middle bracket winner, and the consolation bracket winner, and larger trophies to those schools, along with individual trophies for the top 10 individuals.

Stay tuned for more information regarding starting announcement location, as we may need to change due to a larger number of people than the elevator lobby can hold (but we do have a large room reserved, so we could use that)

Schools with a variable number, please let me know as soon as you can so that teams on the waitlist know what is going on with them.
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Post by Joe Romersa » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:13 am

Is there any chance the field could be expanded to 27 teams? (so up to 6 teams can qualify for the HSNCT)
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Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:52 am

Joe Romersa wrote:Is there any chance the field could be expanded to 27 teams? (so up to 6 teams can qualify for the HSNCT)
Isn't it top 15%, rounded up? So that'd be 4.05 rounded up to 5.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:43 pm

Just thinking out loud here...

We only have 12 rooms (and barely enough staff to cover that), but if teams are OK with a bye each in the morning, then we could expand. (3X9 (9 rounds)->3X9 (7 rounds), but that would take 16 packets without a final, IS contains 15). If teams are OK with having a morning bye we could do 3X9 (9 rounds) -> 19 team single elimination bracket (5 rounds, seeds 1-13 get byes), then 4 team RR in middle, and 4 team RR in bottom. The problem with this is that it eliminates teams early (some teams as few as 9 games)

Expand to 28: We could do 4X7 morning (7 rounds), leading to brackets of 12 (6,6 Parallel->Placement match), 8,8 single elimination middle and bottom brackets, with round 1 of the bottom or middle bracket during rounding 2 of the other one. I'm not a fan of this format because it only guarantees 7 games to each team.

Continuing to think out loud:

No more rooms in the same location are available.
Expand to 27:
3X9 morning, 15 team single elim top, 6 team single elim middle, 6 team single elim bottom, but that only gives 9 games to some teams (would prefer to guarantee more; at least 10 games per team).
Expand to 28:
4X7 morning (7 rounds, 6 games), 8,8, 12 team single elim (6 rounds) + finals (top 2 brackets not playing the team they already played). Gives 16 teams 12 rounds, other teams between 7 and 10 games.
Other option:
Expand to 27:
3X9 Morning (9 rounds) -> 3X9 Afternoon (7 rounds), breaking up the packets so that 21-24 of round 1-5 is round 16, and then finals if necessary using 21-24 of 6-10, and 21-24 of 11-15. This leaves absolutely no room for error, and could possibly be screwy with distribution, and would require the inclusion of computational math, so I would prefer not to do something like this, and 18 rounds is a really long day of quizbowl for everyone.

If we go for 4 rooms in a nearby building, I think we could get up to 32 total teams. This would open up the following option:
4X8 morning (7 rounds)
4X8 afternoon (6 rounds)
Ties would then have to be broken by ppb or ppg.

Anyone want to offer up some suggestions?
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Tue Mar 02, 2010 7:38 pm

Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
Joe Romersa wrote:Is there any chance the field could be expanded to 27 teams? (so up to 6 teams can qualify for the HSNCT)
Isn't it top 15%, rounded up? So that'd be 4.05 rounded up to 5.
+ the 1 highest ranking team that hasn't qualified for hsnct yet.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:27 pm

I think I have it for 27 teams:

3X9 (9 rounds) -> 12 (6,6 parallel+cross) (5 rounds (game against in same bracket carries over), 5 games 6 rooms/rd), 10 (5,5 parallel + cross) (6 rounds, 4 rooms/rd), 5 (5 rounds, 2 rooms/rd)? Does this look like it works? This gives top bracket teams 13 games, second bracket 13 games, and bottom bracket 12 games.

Is this good with people? If so, then I can go ahead and expand the field.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:46 pm

Can someone confirm that this last bit of schedule makes sense? The reasoning behind it was to take the same number of teams into the top bracket from each morning bracket, use 12 rooms at a time, and give as many teams as many games as possible. The main thing I'm worried about is that the 1 and 2 finishers from a morning bracket are essentially even for the afternoon (as their game will not carry over since they're in different playoff brackets), meaning a team whose one loss is in the afternoon could fall behind a team whose one loss is in the morning, who that other team beat. Am I just overthinking this, or is this a real problem? Ex: Team A goes 8-0 morning, defeating Team B, who goes 7-1. In the afternoon Team A goes 3-1, while Team B goes 4-0. Team A is 4-1 against teams in its playoff group, giving them the #2 in their grouping, while Team B is 5-0 against theirs, giving them the #1 in their grouping, and guaranteeing Team B finishes in a higher position than Team A. So the result of A vs. B was meaningless. So would this scheme make sense?

Other option is 6-6-5-5-5, break for bottom by tiebreaker half-matches seeded by ppg, or record, then run RR in those brackets. Does this seem like a better option?
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by cvdwightw » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:36 pm

Freidank wrote:Can someone confirm that this last bit of schedule makes sense?
No, because a team can lose a single game in the tournament, to a team that doesn't win the championship, and finish in fifth place.
Freidank wrote:Other option is 6-6-5-5-5, break for bottom by tiebreaker half-matches seeded by ppg, or record, then run RR in those brackets. Does this seem like a better option?
Yes, if you want to break ties for the top 2 brackets during the same tiebreaker round.

Alternately, you can bracket 6-6-6-3, have the top 4 brackets run a 4-game crossover in 5 rounds, have the bottom bracket play a full round robin plus up to two additional matches, and work this whole playoff with 11 rooms. This gives the everyone but the bottom teams 12 games in 14 rounds, the bottom 3 teams are guaranteed 10 games in 12 rounds, though you're pretty much screwed if you want to use a packet for tiebreakers.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:09 am

What would teams think about using the morning RR for seeding to lead to a single elimination bracket, then a back draw for teams that lose in the first round, and a second back draw for those losing in the second round, guaranteeing every team 10 games (8 prelims, every team gets at least 2 playoff games) on the day, and allowing a 4-way tie for 5th place, that unless NAQT chooses to break would give us 8 total teams qualified for Nationals?
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:02 am

Freidank wrote:What would teams think about using the morning RR for seeding to lead to a single elimination bracket, then a back draw for teams that lose in the first round, and a second back draw for those losing in the second round, guaranteeing every team 10 games (8 prelims, every team gets at least 2 playoff games) on the day, and allowing a 4-way tie for 5th place, that unless NAQT chooses to break would give us 8 total teams qualified for Nationals?
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:14 am

The single elim format would probably work better for us, where other formats would not allow us to have packets available for tiebreakers and finals, and this form would keep us in the 12 rooms we have the entire day, plus we are able to guarantee each team 10 games like we originally wanted to, with every team getting 10-13 games.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Tue Mar 09, 2010 4:27 am

Perhaps, instead of expanding your tournament beyond capacity to allow one extra HSNCT qualification - a thing which may very well be earned by a team already qualified, making it moot; also, a thing which may be bypassed entirely by applying for a wild card bid, making it moot - you should keep your tournament at a level which you can accommodate without delegitimizing the playoffs.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by fee6 » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:40 pm

Sorry for the hiatus from quiz bowl: diamond bar will be sending 1 team.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:56 am

Beussink v. Woodland wrote:Perhaps, instead of expanding your tournament beyond capacity to allow one extra HSNCT qualification - a thing which may very well be earned by a team already qualified, making it moot; also, a thing which may be bypassed entirely by applying for a wild card bid, making it moot - you should keep your tournament at a level which you can accommodate without delegitimizing the playoffs.
Good point, plus with Diamond Bar now at 1 team, neither 25 nor 26 teams is a niceish number, so hard cap at 24, running 4X6 morning (5 rounds + tiebreaker if necessary) to a 3X8 afternoon (6 rounds, no repeat of morning match + tiebreaker if neccesary) to advantaged finals for 15 packets used max. Every team gets 11 games, and tied records are played off for playoff brackets. 24 really is a nice number for this number of packets.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:06 am

Freidank wrote:
Beussink v. Woodland wrote:Perhaps, instead of expanding your tournament beyond capacity to allow one extra HSNCT qualification - a thing which may very well be earned by a team already qualified, making it moot; also, a thing which may be bypassed entirely by applying for a wild card bid, making it moot - you should keep your tournament at a level which you can accommodate without delegitimizing the playoffs.
Good point, plus with Diamond Bar now at 1 team, neither 25 nor 26 teams is a niceish number, so hard cap at 24, running 4X6 morning (5 rounds + tiebreaker if necessary) to a 3X8 afternoon (6 rounds, no repeat of morning match + tiebreaker if neccesary) to advantaged finals for 15 packets used max. Every team gets 11 games, and tied records are played off for playoff brackets. 24 really is a nice number for this number of packets.
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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by dtaylor4 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:22 am

Freidank wrote:
Beussink v. Woodland wrote:Perhaps, instead of expanding your tournament beyond capacity to allow one extra HSNCT qualification - a thing which may very well be earned by a team already qualified, making it moot; also, a thing which may be bypassed entirely by applying for a wild card bid, making it moot - you should keep your tournament at a level which you can accommodate without delegitimizing the playoffs.
Good point, plus with Diamond Bar now at 1 team, neither 25 nor 26 teams is a niceish number, so hard cap at 24, running 4X6 morning (5 rounds + tiebreaker if necessary) to a 3X8 afternoon (6 rounds, no repeat of morning match + tiebreaker if neccesary) to advantaged finals for 15 packets used max. Every team gets 11 games, and tied records are played off for playoff brackets. 24 really is a nice number for this number of packets.
Don't forget to carry over prelim games involving teams in the same playoff bracket.

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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by Golran » Sat Mar 13, 2010 4:44 am

Bump to request that Rancho Bernardo and Arcadia confirm how many teams they will be bringing so that we can let waitlisted teams know their fate.

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Re: NAQT Southern California Championship at UCLA April 3, 2010

Post by LucasBrown » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:04 am

RB will bring two teams (or possibly just one). We will also bring a buzzer set.
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