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February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:46 pm

I'll tabulate this if no one else wants to, but anyone who wants to should feel very free to volunteer.

My ballot:
1. Auburn A
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. Lisle
8. WWS
9. Auburn B
10. Niles North

FYI, my ballot for the IHSSBCA Newsletter poll was as follows (separating classes and only considering A teams as required):
CLASS AA
1. Auburn A
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Wheaton Warrenville South
8. Niles North
9. Naperville Central
10. Champaign Centennial

CLASS A
1. Lisle
2. Litchfield
3. Latin
4. PORTA
5. Macomb
6. Greenville
7. Winnebago
8. New Berlin
9. Peoria Christian
10. Byron
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Re: February Poll

Post by CometCoach72 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:55 pm

jonah wrote:CLASS A
1. Lisle
2. Litchfield
3. Latin
4. PORTA
5. Macomb
6. Greenville
7. Winnebago
8. New Berlin
9. Peoria Christian
10. Byron[/size]
I'm only going to comment on Class A, so here we go:

1. Litchfield
2. Lisle
3. Latin
4. Warrensburg-Latham
5. PORTA
6. Fairfield
7. New Berlin
8. Carterville
9. Greenville
10. Peoria Christian

I know nothing of the schools that are on Jonah's ballot that are on mine. Sorry Jonah, as much as I like my team and I'm so proud of them for what they've done this year (32-22), there are many more than five teams that are better than we are in Class A at this point, and many who are on this list have already beaten us. With all due respect, I'd like to hear your logic as to why you placed us that high in your ballot.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Matt Bardoe » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:36 pm

Class A
1. Lisle
2. Latin
3. Litchfield
4. New Berlin
5. PORTA
6. Fairfield
7. Byron
8. Dwight
9. Williamsville
10. Warrensburg-Latham

Class AA

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. IMSA
8. WWS
9. Fremd
10.Naperville Central

Litchfield is a very good team, but they would have to be ALOT better than last year to be better than Lisle. It would be hard to understand how good Lisle is for class A. Generally the state champion in Class A is only as good as a regional champion in Class AA. Lisle is as good a Class AA Sectional Champion (State qualifier). Lisle has done the work this year, they deserve to be ranked number one.
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Re: February Poll

Post by mlaird » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:52 pm

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. OPRF
6. Carbondale
7. Lisle
8. Niles North
9. Naperville Central
10. WWS

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Re: February Poll

Post by David Riley » Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:57 pm

For clarification purposes here, are we talking IHSA or overall?
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:35 pm

While people voting in the IHSSBCA newsletter poll are welcome to post their ballots from that, the ballot you post in this thread should be your vote for real quizbowl purposes: don't separate classes, you can include B teams, you can include the Hobo, etc.
CometCoach72 wrote:Sorry Jonah, as much as I like my team and I'm so proud of them for what they've done this year (32-22), there are many more than five teams that are better than we are in Class A at this point, and many who are on this list have already beaten us. With all due respect, I'd like to hear your logic as to why you placed us that high in your ballot.
Admittedly my knowledge of Class A is very poor outside of Lisle and Latin, and most of my Class A ballot was composed by guesswork. I ranked Greenville where I did even though I've never seen them play (nor, I think, any of their opponents) because practicing on good questions will get you far even on bad questions, and having a dedicated coach as I know you, Jay, are is similarly effective. I have high hopes for Greenville.
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Re: February Poll

Post by CometCoach72 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:56 pm

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jonah. We'll do our best to make your prognostications look good. :party: We have lots of work to do to get there, and we'll see how things look once the bear trap that is the Regional Round is finished.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:58 pm

Where's the love? We beat Niles North both times we played them with Server, we beat Fremd both times we played them (once with Server and Arjun and once with neither), and we beat Naperville Central when they were at full strength and we weren't. I know that we don't belong at the top of anybody's list, but news of our demise is greatly exaggerated.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:01 pm

When you haven't fielded your real team at either of the last two tournaments you played, it's hard to tell. When I see New Trier play a decent-looking match, I'll say so and vote accordingly.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:40 pm

1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius/Stevenson
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. Naperville Central
8. Hobo/Lisle
9. WWS

New Trier was also a near-miss for me too, for I haven't seen their full lineup since October. I also don't really have a good feel for Auburn B yet. My own ranking is colored by my own preference for, well, me, but I have posted big wins against teams like Lisle and Niles North.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:51 pm

1. Auburn A
2. St. Ignatius
3. Stevenson
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. Lisle
8. New Trier
9. Niles North
10. Hobo
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Re: February Poll

Post by mrgsmath » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:06 pm

Not wanting to offend anyone, particularly Jay, but here is my ballot as sent to IHSSBCA.

Class A
1-Litchfield
2-Chicago Latin
3-Byron
4-Lisle
5-Macomb
6-PORTA
7-Farmington
8-New Berlin
9-Mendon Unity
10-Warrensburg Latham

Class AA
1-Rockford Auburn
2-St. Ignatius
3-Carbondale
4- W. Loyola Academy
5- Chatham Glenwood
6-New Trier
7-Barrington
8- Champaign Centennial
9-Lincolshire Stevenson
10-Quincy

I can say that it is certainly filled with a lot of guessing based off of past performances and what I could gleen from the tournament results posted. i apologize to Lisle, it seems that those who know them ranked them higher and I won't dispute that. Litchfield is very good and the finals should be good match. I also ranked PORTA lower than most. We are good, but we still have work to go and not much time. While I haven't played Farmington, they did post some good scores and quality wins forthe seeding meeting.
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Re: February Poll

Post by David Riley » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:07 pm

jonah wrote:When you haven't fielded your real team at either of the last two tournaments you played, it's hard to tell. When I see New Trier play a decent-looking match, I'll say so and vote accordingly.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:10 pm

Mark: I'm curious to see some explanation for your Class AA ballot.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:25 pm

Ballots received: Greenthal, Laird, Donohue, Fischer, Perovanovic, Garb, Riley, Glerum*, Bardoe, Winkler, Volgman. If you posted something in this thread but weren't just listed, it's probably because you posted separate ballots per class; give me one ballot combining Class A, Class AA, non-IHSA teams, and B (/C/...) teams as appropriate.

*Shut up.
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Re: February Poll

Post by mrgsmath » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:41 pm

jonah wrote:Mark: I'm curious to see some explanation for your Class AA ballot.
i think in general we were in agreement on 4 of your top 5 picks. My review of the online results from the tournament page placed Stevenson lower, and perhaps in error. After 5 places it is nearly impossible for me to judge the fine nuances of other teams that I don't see or compete against without a full schedule and results sheet to judge quality wins. Having played Champaign, Chatham, and Quincy, I ranked them accordingly. Champaign is a very good team but Chatham I felt was better.
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Re: February Poll

Post by mrgsmath » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:43 pm

Actually, I may have made a error. I thought this was a posting to share IHSSBCA ranks, not a more general posting of rankings.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:48 pm

It's fine to post your IHSSBCA poll ballot here—I did it because I like mine to be public. However, the poll I am tabulating (which is not restricted to IHSSBCA members) is a different one, and doesn't have any of the restrictions of the IHSSBCA poll.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Edward Elric » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:49 pm

Combining Class A and AA:

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. Lisle
7. OPRF
8. Wheaton Warrenville South
9. Litchfield
10. Hobo
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Post by BGSO » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:14 pm

Class AA
1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Stevenson
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. Oak Park River Forest
7. Naperville Central
8. WWS
9. BG
10. Fremd

Class A
1. Lisle
2. Latin
3. Litchfield
4. Macomb
5. New Berlin
6. PORTA
7. Warrensburg-Latham
8. Roycemore
9. Winnebago
10. Farmington

Actual:

1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Stevenson
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. Lisle
7. OPRF
8. Naperville Central
9. WWS
10. BG
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Re: February Poll

Post by the return of AHAN » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:22 pm

mrgsmath wrote:Not wanting to offend anyone, particularly Jay, but here is my ballot as sent to IHSSBCA.

Class AA
1-Rockford Auburn
2-St. Ignatius
3-Carbondale
4- W. Loyola Academy
5- Chatham Glenwood
6-New Trier
7-Barrington
8- Champaign Centennial
9-Lincolshire Stevenson
10-Quincy
Heh, no one let the Stevenson kids see this ballot, m'kay? :wink:
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Re: February Poll

Post by David Riley » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:24 pm

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. Wheaton Warrenville South
7. OPRF
8. Hobo
9. Lisle
10. New Trier
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Re: February Poll

Post by JackGlerum » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:35 pm

1. Loyola
2. McHenry
3. Senn
4. Luther North
5. St. Scholastica
6. Grayslake Central
7. Gordon Tech
8. Hinsdale South
9. Seton Academy
10. Wauconda

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Re: February Poll

Post by Deviant Insider » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:52 pm

Jack, despite your best efforts to fit in, you still won't get invited to a seeding meeting.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:01 pm

jonah wrote:Donohue*

*You need to separate out Hobo and Lisle, and St. Ignatius and Stevenson. I will not count your ballot if you do not.
Why can't the points be shared? This is an unofficial poll. This is my opinion. I think it makes things more interesting.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:03 pm

The points can't be shared because the whole point of this poll is for people to make judgments, not equivocate to weasel their way out of doing so. If you want your ballot counted, choose.
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Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:08 pm

jonah wrote:The points can't be shared because the whole point of this poll is for people to make judgments, not equivocate to weasel their way out of doing so. If you want your ballot counted, choose.
Jeeze. Is it not enough to "judge" that those two sets of teams are equal in my mind? I want my poll-running powers back. Let's do Stevenson ahead of Ignatius and Hobo ahead of Lisle.
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Re: February Poll

Post by mlaird » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:09 pm

Dan-Don wrote:Why can't the points be shared? This is an unofficial poll. This is my opinion. I think it makes things more interesting.
This sounds waaaay too much like the IHSA policy of having 3, 4, and 5 part bonuses.

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Re: February Poll

Post by Dan-Don » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:20 pm

The Mauritius Command wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Why can't the points be shared? This is an unofficial poll. This is my opinion. I think it makes things more interesting.
This sounds waaaay too much like the IHSA policy of having 3, 4, and 5 part bonuses.
I'm just suggesting that the rules governing an informal poll not be so exacting. Some of us post on the forums for fun too....
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Re: February Poll

Post by Charley Pride » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:49 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
The Mauritius Command wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Why can't the points be shared? This is an unofficial poll. This is my opinion. I think it makes things more interesting.
This sounds waaaay too much like the IHSA policy of having 3, 4, and 5 part bonuses.
I'm just suggesting that the rules governing an informal poll not be so exacting. Some of us post on the forums for fun too....
Just separate them. It's really not something to fight about.
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Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:49 pm

Moving Day wrote:But we've also had a couple of inexplicable losses that should've never happened to a top ten team
/high five. Oh, wait. :sad:
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Post by Dan-Don » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:07 am

Charley Pride wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:
The Mauritius Command wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Why can't the points be shared? This is an unofficial poll. This is my opinion. I think it makes things more interesting.
This sounds waaaay too much like the IHSA policy of having 3, 4, and 5 part bonuses.
I'm just suggesting that the rules governing an informal poll not be so exacting. Some of us post on the forums for fun too....
Just separate them. It's really not something to fight about.
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Re: February Poll

Post by CometCoach72 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:20 am

Humpty Jackson wrote:
Class A

8. Glenwood
David- With great respect, Glenwood is AA.
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Re: February Poll

Post by CometCoach72 » Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:28 am

mrgsmath wrote:Not wanting to offend anyone, particularly Jay, but here is my ballot as sent to IHSSBCA.

Mark apparently knows something in connection with the whereabouts of the last person who offended me...(JUST KIDDING!) No, Mark, no offense taken whatsoever. Pardon the reference to set logic, but my guess is that if you took the set of teams Winter has seen and the set of teams Grant has seen, the intersection of those sets is probably a pretty small number of teams. I love it that several posters are contributing teams from parts of the state that may not get as much play on the boards.

I hope that those of us who know more about the A schools aren't hesitant to speak up, because we have some AWESOME Class A programs throughout the state of Illinois that deserve some props.
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Re: February Poll

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CometCoach72 wrote:
Humpty Jackson wrote:
Class A

8. Glenwood
David- With great respect, Glenwood is AA.
Fixed, thank you for pointing out my mistake.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Matt Bardoe » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:42 pm

Here is my straight top ten.

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. Hobo
8. Lisle
9. IMSA
10. WWS

Probably not being fair to Barrington, Glenwood, New Trier...or Senn. But just not sure.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Charley Pride » Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:53 pm

No offense, but...where's all the IMSA love coming from?
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Re: February Poll

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:18 am

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. OPRF
6. Carbondale
7. WWS
8. Lisle
9. Dan-Don, I guess
10. Niles North
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Post by jdeliverer » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:27 am

1. Auburn
2. Stevenson
3. St. Ignatius
4. Loyola
5. Carbondale
6. OPRF
7. Hobo
8. Lisle
9. Fremd
10. Niles North

I was between a lot of schools for the last two spots.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Edward Elric » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:06 am

Charley Pride wrote:No offense, but...where's all the IMSA love coming from?
Agreed. Also what's with the Fremd love too.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:23 am

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Charley Pride wrote:No offense, but...where's all the IMSA love coming from?
Agreed. Also what's with the Fremd love too.
But guys, Bonny Jain made First-Team All-State as a freshman; any team he's captaining must be good. And Arjun's the best math player in the state.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jdeliverer » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:34 am

The only time I've seen Fremd was at Fremd on bad questions, but I know they beat us pretty handily (although we were far from full strength). Arjun's very good, and although they are probably worse on pyramidal questions I think they would still be worth a top 10 rank.
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And Arjun's the best math player in the state.
Let me at 'im, coach!
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Re: February Poll

Post by Geringer » Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:52 pm

I've seen Fremd play a handful of times. I must have moderated for them about a billion (seven or eight) times at Ultima. My verdict: they made some decent buzzes on history and science, and I think they had one girl who had deep but limited knowledge on a small portion of fine arts. That put them ahead of a lot of other teams that I saw but I certainly won't rank them anywhere near the Auburninators, Stevensons, and Niles Nor-I mean Loyolas of the world. In the IHSA State Series, they'll do good because the difficulty and scope of questions are limited and because they've got mad parlor trick skills. In all seriousness, this team could progress far in the IHSA series but wont touch the best teams in mACF because their philosophy, social science, and other notable "non-school" topics aren't quite up to snuff with the teams that study more. Once again, though, they've got enough weapons to beat "elite teams" if they catch a packet but won't consistently do so because they can't convert the full range of topics.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:02 am

Halakis wrote:I've seen Fremd play a handful of times. I must have moderated for them about a billion (seven or eight) times at Ultima. My verdict: they made some decent buzzes on history and science, and I think they had one girl who had deep but limited knowledge on a small portion of fine arts. That put them ahead of a lot of other teams that I saw but I certainly won't rank them anywhere near the Auburninators, Stevensons, and Niles Nor-I mean Loyolas of the world. In the IHSA State Series, they'll do good because the difficulty and scope of questions are limited and because they've got mad parlor trick skills. In all seriousness, this team could progress far in the IHSA series but wont touch the best teams in mACF because their philosophy, social science, and other notable "non-school" topics aren't quite up to snuff with the teams that study more. Once again, though, they've got enough weapons to beat "elite teams" if they catch a packet but won't consistently do so because they can't convert the full range of topics.
I was going to post an argument for "why Fremd isn't top 10 right now," but this pretty much covers what I've seen of them in my (limited) experience this year.

That said, I do have a point to add: At the NIU Prison Bowl Mirror, Fremd wasn't even in the top 10 of the 11 Illinois schools in the field.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Dan-Don » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:17 pm

Beussink v. Woodland wrote:That said, I do have a point to add: At the NIU Prison Bowl Mirror, Fremd wasn't even in the top 10 of the 11 Illinois schools in the field.
They were missing Arjun though, who is their best player even if he's not that great in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: February Poll

Post by jonah » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:33 am

I'll take ballots for 72 more hours if anyone else wants to submit one. I know there are some people reading this who don't post, so they should feel free to email me their ballots.
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Post by jonah » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:31 pm

25 more hours.

edit: and two minutes.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Down and out in Quintana Roo » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:40 pm

Man, almost as many people voted in this poll that voted in the entire national poll last month. What the heck. No, that's not a lot of voters, i'm saying i wish more voted in the larger ones.

Vote on, Illinois.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Charley Pride » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:54 pm

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man, almost as many people voted in this poll that voted in the entire national poll last month. What the heck. No, that's not a lot of voters, i'm saying i wish more voted in the larger ones.

Vote on, Illinois.
It's just that fact that more Illinois people know about more Illinois schools. I don't think enough people know enough about the national scene to submit a qualified ballot in the national poll. I don't participate in either poll regardless.
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Re: February Poll

Post by Edward Elric » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:55 pm

Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man, almost as many people voted in this poll that voted in the entire national poll last month. What the heck. No, that's not a lot of voters, i'm saying i wish more voted in the larger ones.

Vote on, Illinois.
Hey I would have voted as would a bunch of people from Illinois if we had actually seen multiple teams involved in the poll. Only teams in poll that I have seen are DCC and Auburn.

Edit: Way to Beat me to it Zahed.
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