ATROPHY at NIU: 4/24/10

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Me, too.
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Your Cup of Robust Tea wrote:I'll get this thing, Brad.

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Also, what if we play art Abid against the field?
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styxman wrote:
This post will serve for field updates. Register by posting in this thread, emailing me, or (if there's still room) in person before Round 1 of ATROPHY. When you register, include your lunch order.

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Two somebodies on whatever name you gave that team is playing this and will give you their lunch orders in the morning.
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Two reminders about the art packet:
1. Brad, because I am paranoid, let me know that you got the answer list alright.
2. This is being played elsewhere on May 8th, so don't post any question-specific dicscussion. If you have a question, comment, or issue with the set, email me at [email protected].
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Brad won't be online again before the tournament, but I just called him and he confirmed that he got it. (Though he also points out that the answers are in the Powerpoint.)
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jonah wrote:Brad won't be online again before the tournament, but I just called him and he confirmed that he got it. (Though he also points out that the answers are in the Powerpoint.)
This way, he doesn't have to scroll through the powerpoint to see if an answer is right or wrong.
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This tournament is happening. The field list is (SURPRISE!) horribly, DRASTICALLY inaccurate, as many of the schools listed were unable to get official OK to attend. We found some people to fill in, because I'd printed all those 12-team schedules.....
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styxman wrote:This tournament is happening. The field list is (SURPRISE!) horribly, DRASTICALLY inaccurate, as many of the schools listed were unable to get official OK to attend. We found some people to fill in, because I'd printed all those 12-team schedules.....
This is why you print alternate schedules.
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Wilmette School is playing Adlai Academy for a chance to play Auburn A in a one-game final.

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Adlai Academy won this in a one-game final over Auburn A, having earned the right to play Auburn A in the final by defeating Wilmette School in a play-in game. Third place was thus Wilmette School, followed by Oak Park-River Forest in fourth place. Stats are available here.
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Jonah wrote:Oak Park-River Forest
careful. Were they here officially?
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Just dropping in to say that this set won't be clear for at least another week as we try to pursue any additional last-minute interest that might exist. I hope everyone enjoyed it, and thanks to NIU for choosing to mirror our set.
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Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
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Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
Can someone speak to the degree of difficulty difference between the original set and the one played today? PM me if this is confidential.


Heartiest congratulations to Stevenson for winning this one...it's a little sad for me to realize that this was almost certainly my last invitational tournament in high school, and that I may never play against any of these teams again. I wish everyone good luck at nationals.
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Charley Pride wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
Can someone speak to the degree of difficulty difference between the original set and the one played today? PM me if this is confidential.
Difficulty is hard for me to quantify, but an average of about 3/3-5/5 was changed per round, iirc. I'm not sure if that information is helpful to you or not.
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MLWGS-Gir wrote:
Charley Pride wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
Can someone speak to the degree of difficulty difference between the original set and the one played today? PM me if this is confidential.
Difficulty is hard for me to quantify, but an average of about 3/3-5/5 was changed per round, iirc. I'm not sure if that information is helpful to you or not.
I suppose...I was just looking to see how comparable stats could be (specifically, PPB) between the different GSACs...I guess not that comparable then?
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Charley Pride wrote:
MLWGS-Gir wrote:
Charley Pride wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
Can someone speak to the degree of difficulty difference between the original set and the one played today? PM me if this is confidential.
Difficulty is hard for me to quantify, but an average of about 3/3-5/5 was changed per round, iirc. I'm not sure if that information is helpful to you or not.
I suppose...I was just looking to see how comparable stats could be (specifically, PPB) between the different GSACs...I guess not that comparable then?
I would agree.
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Dan-Don wrote:
Jonah wrote:Oak Park-River Forest
careful. Were they here officially?
There was a van labeled "Oak Park and River Forest High School" parked outside the building, so I'm guessing so. I'll check with Carbery next time I talk to him.
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OPRF was here. So were Niles West, New Trier, and IMSA.

Full recap after I really wake up.
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Many thanks to Brad and staff for such a great tournament. We'll see you again at ATROPHY 2.
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jonah wrote:Stevenson won this in a one-game final over PACE Prep A, having earned the right to play PACE Prep A in the final by defeating Wilmette Academy in a play-in game. Third place was thus Wilmette Academy, followed by Oak Park-River Forest in fourth place. Stats are available here.
Did Stevenson really have 7 negs in the finals?
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No. I've been notified about a few errors, including that Mark was 2-0 in the finals rather than 2-6. I'll fix those later today.
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Stats are fixed, as far as I know. If anyone is aware of other mistakes, please tell me.
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ATTN JONAH: Ryan from Hobo should only have 160 TUH.

Overall Brad and Kristin ran an excellent tournament; no surprises there. It's a pity it didn't attract a bigger field, but I gotta love the fact that there were 4(?) rogue team. Right on, Illinois! One note: there was a 3-team circle of death (between IMSA, Hobo, and Lisle) for the last spot in the championship bracket. At halftime during the match that created said circle, I stopped by TC and was told that ties in record would be broken by ppb. Well, ties ended up being broken by ppg. I crunched the bonus conversion numbers, and it didn't actually make a difference, but it might have. In the future, I would suggest that TDs (this doesn't apply solely to Brad and Kristin) set such information in stone by writing it on the schedule or making a sheet of tournament rules or announcing it at the coaches' meeting (and not changing their minds later). A similar thing happened at the UIUC Solo where no one knew for sure whether or not tie games would stand, and by the time it was figured out it kinda came back to bite me in the rear end.

As for the question sets, my reaction to GSAC was two-fold. I like to think I'm a fairly competent writer, and from that perspective, the tossups were pretty darn good. The biggest issues were too much title-dropping and weird usage of pronouns and demonstrative phrases (like I got hosed on a "this region" question). But everything else (answer selection, difficulty, clues, etc.) were near-perfect and very typical. I was less enamored, however, with the bonuses, which were just all over the place difficulty-wise, usually missing a hard part or an easy part.

Doug's visarts was just...wow. I don't mind donating $2 to Team MD, but the set had issues that I'm sure: a) people have talked to Doug about and b) Doug will fix before any future mirrors.

EDIT: I guess there were 8 rogue teams, but some of them had their coaches' blessings.
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I'd like to thank everyone for making ATROPHY a great success. I hope that this begins a new tradition of "post"season events in Illinois, something that is sorely needed.

After 10 rounds of excellent performances, Stevenson narrowly edged out Loyola, 285-275, for the right to play against Auburn A in the final; Stevenson then defeated Auburn 345-300. In the consolation pool, Auburn B rebounded from an 0-5 morning, defeating Dan Donohue and St. Viator in a one-game final, 265-160. The All Tournament Team, based on morning results, consisted of Kevin Malis, Ben Chametzky, Ben Carbery, Dan Donohue, and Greg Dzuricsko.
Full stats are available at: http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2010_ ... ndings.php If you notice any errors, notify Jonah and he'll take care of them.

Kristin and I couldn't have run this tournament without the gracious help of Tom Egan, Mike Laudermith, Neva O'Laughlin, Matt Laird, and Jonah Greenthal. As always, their awesome work lets us plan things like "Lunch at 11:30" and "12 rounds done before 5."

Thank you all again for an excellent tournament, and we hope to see you for our tournaments next year!
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Dan-Don wrote:ATTN JONAH: Ryan from Hobo should only have 160 TUH.
To be fixed as soon as you IM me the correct info.
Dan-Don wrote:One note: there was a 3-team circle of death (between IMSA, Hobo, and Lisle) for the last spot in the championship bracket. At halftime during the match that created said circle, I stopped by TC and was told that ties in record would be broken by ppb. Well, ties ended up being broken by ppg. I crunched the bonus conversion numbers, and it didn't actually make a difference, but it might have. In the future, I would suggest that TDs (this doesn't apply solely to Brad and Kristin) set such information in stone by writing it on the schedule or making a sheet of tournament rules or announcing it at the coaches' meeting (and not changing their minds later).
PPG was the correct decision, because it was an intra-bracket tie. That said, I agree that it should've been announced beforehand. Sorry about that.
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To answer Dan, you're right that advancement procedures should be written down somewhere beforehand; I apologize for overlooking that. Like Jonah says, afternoon advancement was based on PPG because the comparisons were among teams who had faced the same opponents. Kristin talked to me at lunch to ask if it was PPB or PPG, and she told me to let you know the actual situation. I promptly forgot about that conversation. Sorry!
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Charley Pride wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Wow, look at that field wide bonus conversion.
Can someone speak to the degree of difficulty difference between the original set and the one played today? PM me if this is confidential.


Heartiest congratulations to Stevenson for winning this one...it's a little sad for me to realize that this was almost certainly my last invitational tournament in high school, and that I may never play against any of these teams again. I wish everyone good luck at nationals.
Why aren't you guys coming to the Champaign one?
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Dan-Don wrote:

Doug's visarts was just...wow. I don't mind donating $2 to Team MD, but the set had issues that I'm sure: a) people have talked to Doug about and b) Doug will fix before any future mirrors.
On that note, this means that people who are not Zahed or Dan should really, really email me their criticisms in case there was a problem missed by either of the aformentioned.
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