West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

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West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:03 pm

Concise Information Thread Here!

When: March 27 and March 28
Where: UCLA, rooms to be determined
Who: Anyone from Southern California and anyone else who has been invited to participate (if you are reading this then you are "invited")
What sets: HSAPQ Tourn-10 and NAQT Division II SCT (which set on which date is still to be decided. If we do a timed tournament then that will be on Sunday). Also, some form of NASAT "tryouts" to be determined; Auroni Gupta is in charge of NASAT tryout stuff

How much:
Base fee (per team, one tournament): $70
Base fee (per team, both tournaments): $120
Second and subsequent teams: -$10, per team, per tournament (so a second team participating both days would be $100)
Buzzer discount: -$5, per fully-functional buzzer system, per tournament; discount off school's entire fee, not each team's fee
Moderator discount: -$15, per tournament; discount off school's entire fee, not each team's fee
Travel discount: -$5 per 100 miles traveled one-way, per team, one-time discount off total fee (distance calculated by reputable online map software, from your school to the tournament site)
Clocks (if we get enough to run the NAQT tournament): -$5, per clock, NAQT tournament only; discount off school's entire fee, not each team's fee

Minimum fee: $35 for one tournament or $60 for both

Why: Because we're hoping to make this an annual thing with much better foresight and planning in the future, and we want to see if such a thing is even feasible; because we want to try to get out-of-area teams to play teams from Southern California of all ability levels; because you want a full weekend's worth of quizbowl

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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Joe Romersa » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:20 am

Could one of the days be an NAQT IS set, and an NAQT qualifier too?
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:26 am

Joe Romersa wrote:Could one of the days be an NAQT IS set, and an NAQT qualifier too?
I would be surprised if a strong performance on an HSAPQ set or on DII SCT weren't enough to back a wildcard bid to HSNCT.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Charbroil » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:36 am

Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
Joe Romersa wrote:Could one of the days be an NAQT IS set, and an NAQT qualifier too?
I would be surprised if a strong performance on an HSAPQ set or on DII SCT weren't enough to back a wildcard bid to HSNCT.
I thought NAQT's policy was that a tournament run on the DII SCT is a qualifier just like one run on an IS or A set? All NAQT's website seems to say is that as long as it's a varsity event without eligibility restrictions, it qualifies the top 15% for the HSNCT.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Golran » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:38 am

The SCT set is an NAQT set, and if I'm not misinterpreting it, also an HSNCT qualifier.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:43 am

naqt.com wrote:Finishing in the top 15% of the field at a high school varsity tournament using NAQT questions.
So tournaments held on the DII SCT set are fine.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Joe Romersa » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:15 am

Oh cool, I didn't realize that, thanks.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Tue Mar 09, 2010 3:54 pm

FIELD UPDATE

Both Days:
Bellarmine x1
La Jolla x3
Arcadia x1
(Torrey Pines?)

HSAPQ Only:

NAQT Only:
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Golran » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:57 am

Just as a heads up, the Kids Choice Awards are being filmed on Saturday night, so some strange parking rules may be in effect. I'll try to find out more about this.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Joe Romersa » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:54 am

Has it been decided which day is what yet?
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Golran » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:06 pm

Both days of tournament will take place in Rolfe Hall, meeting in Room 1200. This is an auditorium whose entrance is outdoors. I reserved 8 rooms including this auditorium for each day.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:38 pm

Joe Romersa wrote:Has it been decided which day is what yet?
We're waiting to figure out the clock situation. If enough teams can bring clocks, we'd prefer to run a timed NAQT tournament on Sunday so that we can guarantee getting out of there in time for traveling teams to start driving back at a reasonable hour.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by gyre and gimble » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:45 am

Has the field gotten bigger?
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Tanay » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:28 pm

gyre and gimble wrote:Has the field gotten bigger?
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by LucasBrown » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:44 pm

RB is (very) tentatively in.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by friendlyNemisis » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:31 pm

What time will the tournements start on each day? thanks
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Tammy » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:20 pm

What is the updated field for both days?
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:18 pm

The WCI schedule is as follows:

Saturday, March 27: HSAPQ Tournament Set #10.
Saturday, March 27 (evening): California NASAT Tryouts. We will look into ordering pizza and having it show up during the tryouts so that we can get people back home/to their hotel at a reasonable hour.
Sunday, March 28: NAQT Division II SCT. We will run this on TIMED 9-minute halves in as many rooms as possible, so please bring a clock if you have one.

For each day, please show up between 8:30 and 9:00 AM to ROLFE HALL 1200 on the UCLA Campus. Please note that this is different from Bunche, where UCLA's tournaments usually are held. This also means that you want to park in LOT 5. Parking is $10 for each day. We anticipate the main tournament being done by 5:30 each day.

We have plenty of room space and enough moderators; I will continue to accept registrations for either or both days until Thursday, March 25.

FIELD UPDATE:
Both days:
Bellarmine x1
Arcadia x1
La Jolla x3

Saturday only:
Torrey Pines x1
El Camino Real x1

Sunday only:
"The Avengers" (some number of Torrey Pines players playing unofficially)
Tustin x1

Interested, not officially registered:
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Tanay » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:48 pm

Well, this looks like it will be exciting. I honestly expected more teams, but I guess this just means more chances to face each of the elite teams that Southern California has.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Auroni » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:30 pm

I never actually posted this to the boards, but here it is:

Hello, everyone!

I will be conducting tryouts for the HSAPQ National All-Star Tournament at West Coast Invitational on March 27th. Any player that will be at that tournament is eligible to try out. The tryout process will involve reading tossups from college sets, but I haven't decided which set that we'll be using. I will evaluate the prospective members of Team California on a couple of different criteria. Overall tossup conversion is one sure criterion. In addition, I will be looking for players with great tossup conversion in specific categories (such as science or fine arts), conversion of harder topics, younger players that show promise. I hope to choose four players for certain, and two alternates. Please contact me at [email protected] if you are interested. The tryout will take place in one or two rooms (depending on the number involved) after the conclusion of the main event. If you are a coach, please let me know how many players would be interested in taking part. Thanks, and I hope to see you all on the 27th!

The field for this event consists of the following players and their representative schools. Email me if you want to sign up.

Allison, La Jolla High School
Sharad, Torrey Pines High School
Steven, Torrey Pines High School
Ben, La Jolla High School
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Joe Romersa » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:26 pm

NoWayItsTanay wrote:Well, this looks like it will be exciting. I honestly expected more teams, but I guess this just means more chances to face each of the elite teams that Southern California has.
I would wait a few days, now that we know which set is on which day, more teams should register. Expect a few more Arcadia teams (exact number pending).

Also, Arcadia's probably sending 0 to NASAT tryouts, due to graduation being on NASAT weekend.

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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Wed Mar 24, 2010 1:15 pm

Field updated above. Due to moderator concerns we are capping the first day field at 10 and the second day field at 12 and then looking into ways to expand the field.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:03 pm

RB and Arcadia: I need to know by the end of today if you are bringing a(nother) team for either or both days.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Golran » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:18 pm

As we break for lunch, "The Avengers" (Torrey Pines), La Jolla A, and La Jolla B are undefeated, and all other teams have at least two losses.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cchiego » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:15 pm

Yesterday's tournament using HSAPQ 10 concluded with Torrey Pines (25.5 ppbish) going undefeated, but not without a fight during the playoff rounds- they had to come back by 100 points in the last 3 questions against Bellarmine and were tied with a not-full-strength La Jolla A going into the final TU. In the prelim rounds though, TP won those same matches handily. Bellarmine (24ppbish) was 2nd and La Jolla A (21 ppbish) was third. I'm sure Dwight will have the stats up soon.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Tanay » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:31 pm

Swank diet wrote:not-full-strength La Jolla A
This applies to Bellarmine as well.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by gyre and gimble » Sun Mar 28, 2010 11:16 pm

This tournament was really good.
Bellarmine and La Jolla are really good.
California is looking pretty good.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Haaaaaaaarry Whiiiiiiiiiite » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:53 am

gyre and gimble wrote:This tournament was really good.
Bellarmine and La Jolla are really good.
California is looking pretty good.
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by gyre and gimble » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:05 am

The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio wrote:
gyre and gimble wrote:This tournament was really good.
Bellarmine and La Jolla are really good.
California is looking pretty good.
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That was uncalled for.

Edit: (In jest.)
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by Auroni » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:29 am

Hey, this might be the place to post this anyway, but the members of Team California have been selected. They are:

Sharad Vikram
Nikhil Desai
Stephen Liu
Ben Gammage
Ankit Aggarwal
Philip Yakushev

A round of thanks to everyone who tried out. Good luck at NASAT!
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by cvdwightw » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:03 am

Tournament wrap-up:

On Saturday, we played 13 rounds of HSAPQ Tournament Set 10 (a double round robin with a 4-2 playoff split). Torrey Pines went undefeated at 13-0; Bellarmine took second at 10-3 with all 3 losses to Torrey Pines and La Jolla A took third at 7-6 with all 6 losses coming to TP and Bellarmine.

On Sunday, we played 14 rounds of Division II SCT (a round robin with a 4-4-3 playoff split). My incompetent accidental reading of Round 14 in Round 13 prevented the possibility of ACF-Style finals, but a final proved unnecessary as a finally-full-strength La Jolla A team went undefeated (13-0) with two wins each over the same Bellarmine team that finished second on Saturday and a not-quite-full-strength unofficial Torrey Pines team ("The Avengers"), who split their games and tied for second at 10-3 each. Ian has the overall stats and they should be up soon.

Saturday playoff games involving those three teams: Bellarmine 370, La Jolla 290 (La Jolla maintains contact throughout the match until Bellarmine pulls away on tossups 18 and 19); Torrey Pines 385, La Jolla 340 (tied at 345 entering the last question); Torrey Pines 340, Bellarmine 335 (Torrey Pines outscores Bellarmine 110-0 in the last three questions).

Sunday playoff matches involving those three teams: Bellarmine 375, Torrey Pines 305 (Torrey Pines gets a 350-165 deficit after question 18 down to 345-305 entering the last tossup before Bellarmine pulls it out); La Jolla 375, Bellarmine 340 (La Jolla is down 355-205 after question 18 and pulls off a 170-(-15) run to close out the match); La Jolla 330, Torrey Pines 300 (La Jolla grabs a 285-115 lead after question 15 and manages to hold on, clinching with a power on tossup 23).

Out here we're lucky to get one or two games a tournament with that kind of intensity; to have six in one weekend is absolutely amazing.

From an organizational standpoint, this was the most unbelievable tournament experience I've had. We literally finished an untimed tournament 40 minutes ahead of my expected end time, despite starting 15 minutes behind schedule and including a 75-minute lunch break. On Sunday, we ran 14 timed rounds in 8 hours with a 75-minute lunch break despite having to call Facilities Management THREE TIMES to unlock game rooms we'd accidentally locked ourselves out of, playing "moderator roulette," and using cell phones and watches as countdown timers in about half the game rooms. For that unbelievable logistical smoothness I'd like to thank the following people: Mik from UCLA for moderating and scorekeeping both days and running playoff stats on Saturday, Keith from UCLA for moderating on Sunday, Ian from UCLA for doing double duty as scorekeeper and statperson on Sunday as well as reserving the rooms, Auroni and Chris from UCSD for moderating on Saturday and running the NASAT tryout Saturday night, the two Bellarmine coaches for scorekeeping on Saturday and moderating on Sunday, the Arcadia coach and Tustin coach for keeping score while watching their teams on Sunday so all of our moderators could get through at least 18 questions a round, all the players who volunteered to keep score or run the timer on their Sunday bye round, and UCLA Facilities Management, who kept coming to unlock the rooms on Sunday even though they were assuredly royally pissed at us by the third phone call. Thanks to all teams who came out for one tournament or the whole weekend; we hope to do this with significantly better long-term planning next year and hope you'll come out again!
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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

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Re: West Coast Invitational: March 27-28

Post by nadph » Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:15 pm

Are there currently any (protected) discussion forums for these two sets? Could someone post the links here?
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Swank diet wrote:not-full-strength La Jolla A
This applies to Bellarmine as well.
Note that this means "Bellarmine was missing its highest scorer and captain."
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Post by Important Bird Area » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:33 pm

nadph wrote:Are there currently any (protected) discussion forums for these two sets? Could someone post the links here?
Directions for access to the SCT forum here.
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