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2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:29 pm
by pblessman
Culver Academies will host the Fifth Annual Midwest Championship on Saturday, May 14, 2011 (this is the day AFTER AP's end). Culver is located in North Central Indiana, about fifty miles South of South Bend, and about 100 miles Southeast of Chicago.

This tournament is meant as a warm-up for Nationals-bound teams and an opportunity for good teams who can't make Nationals to compete at a similar level. This question is scheduled to use the Division II SCT set. Teams will be guaranteed a minimum of eight games.

We are aiming for a field size of twelve to twenty-four teams. In various years our field has included DCC, DCDS, East Lansing, New Trier (IL), Loyola (IL), Dunbar (KY), Manual (KY), Northmont (OH), and Culver (IN), among others.

The fee structure will tentatively be as follows (subject to change):

Registration fee: $60 per team,
Working buzzer system: -$10
Long drive discount: -$10 (>150 miles)
Really long drive/flight discount: -$20 (>300 miles)

We have housing available in our campus motel for $20/two person room. Our dining hall serves AYCE meals at a reasonable rate: $4/$5/$6 for breakfast/lunch/dinner.

Please register or express interest by e-mail ASAP, but certainly before April 14, 2011: blessmp [at] culver [dot] org
Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks!

Phil
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Field and Reader Updates (as of 5/8/2011) :

Field:
Culver (IN) x2
Detroit Catholic Central (MI) x2
Detroit Country Day School (MI)
Dorman (SC)
Dunbar (KY)
Harrison (IN)
Lisle (IL)
Loyola (IL)
Manual (KY)
Rockford Auburn (IL) x2
Seven Lakes (TX) x2
St. Joe's (IN)

Maybes/Standbys/Wait List:
Carbondale (IL)
Culver C (IN)
Harrison B (IN)
Loyola B (IL)

Readers:
Greg Bossick
Bryce Durgin
Jonah Greenthal
BJ Houlding
Mike Laudermith
David Madden
Mike Perovanovic

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 12:55 pm
by pblessman
We're looking for experienced moderators for this tournament. Compensation is as follows:

$5 per match read
Motel room provided for Friday night
Breakfast and Lunch provided on Saturday

Please post here or email me to express interest.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 2:24 pm
by SoLegit12
Manual expresses interest

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:40 pm
by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK
Put me down as probable for moderating, no housing required.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:12 am
by David Riley
We plan to attend again.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 11:04 am
by Edward Elric
I can't predict what i'll be doing on that exact date next year, but I'd love to moderate if I am free.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 10:00 pm
by pblessman
Even though it's almost a year away, everybody who came this year has expressed interest to attend in 2011 again, and Dorman is also tentatively planning on attending! So the (tentative) field is shaping up nicely:

EDIT: FIELD MOVED UP TO TOP TO UNCONFUSE

Fun! Let me know if you'd like to express interest to read or play!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:39 am
by Scott
We would love to go to this next year.
I'm not 100 percent sure we will be able to, but it is definitely a viable possibility.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:50 am
by SoLegit12
Dorman isn't in this region... Don't they have a Mid-Atlantic one?

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:53 am
by BGSO
If Loyola can win the Iowa state championship, then I'm pretty sure Dorman is welcome to win the Midwest Championship.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:51 am
by SoLegit12
BGSO wrote:If Loyola can win the Iowa state championship, then I'm pretty sure Dorman is welcome to win the Midwest Championship.
I initially thought they were on the same weekend for some reason. That's why I said my last post; no, they are welcome to come destroy us.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:30 pm
by Coach K
Danville is interested in attending next year as well.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:54 pm
by pblessman
Dorman is more than welcome to come, as is any team from anywhere, really. We've had teams from as far as Florida in the past... Thanks to Grayson County and Danville for expressing interest- I've added you to the "interested" list. I also wanted to let Danville (and everybody else out there) know that we are planning on regularly offering a Small School Division and/or trophy at our tournaments. We will do so at our Varsity and Frosh/Soph tourneys and we are planning on also doing this at Midwest. Most likely for Midwest we'll do something modeled on NAQT (everybody plays together and at the end the top small schools play off for the small school trophy). We will use a definition similar to NAQT's as we will not include selective admission schools in small schools, but we will not necessarily use the same cutoff for enrollment.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:21 am
by mr_basque
I would like to be added to the list of attendees. Two teams. Belvidere North, Belvidere, IL

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:56 pm
by jonah
As I mentioned last weekend, I will staff this. Mike Laudermith will be joining me in the trip to staff.

I am also currently discussing with St. Ignatius College Prep whether we will go as a team, Andrew alone, or neither.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:55 pm
by Romero
I would like to sign up two teams for this event.

Thanks,

Chris Romero
Seven Lakes

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:05 am
by Great Bustard
Phil,
I'll likely be back to read for a mighty impressive field on 5/14 (let's say about 80% sure) Had a great time reading today, thanks for the most moderator-friendly arrangements of anywhere I've read.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:15 pm
by pblessman
With spring break approaching for many schools I wanted to give this a bump. The field looks great, but we have room for more!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:55 pm
by djones
Phil,
Northmont will not be in attendance this year. I will be in Arizona for a conference that weekend.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:17 am
by Eric Huff
I think that we have been listed as "interested" or "tentative". We are definitely coming with 1 team.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:47 pm
by ryandillon
Yeah I'm kind of confused by the presence of two "tentative" fields. Just curious as to which one is the official field.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:58 pm
by jonah
Speaking of omissions, Mike Laudermith and I are both planning to staff.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:41 pm
by pblessman
Sorry about the field confusion... I've eliminated the second one and now the first list should be right. I'll double-check with teams in the next couple weeks to make sure everybody is still coming. Looks like our strongest field yet!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:20 am
by evilmonkey
I'll come down and staff, Mr. Blessman.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:29 pm
by pblessman
Auburn tentatively registered two teams today, which puts us at nineteen registered teams, thirteen of which are in the most recent Top 100 (http://hsqbrank.wordpress.com/2011/02/2 ... e/#more-68), including six of the top 25:

6. Dorman A (SC)
9. Seven Lakes (TX)
11. Auburn A (IL)
13. Detroit Catholic Central A (MI)
15. Dunbar A (KY)
17. Loyola (IL)
31. duPont Manual (KY)
38. Detroit Catholic Central B (MI)
55. Culver (IN)
70. Danville (KY)
77. Auburn B (IL)
93. Belvidere North (IL)
97. Detroit Country Day (MI)

I'm thinking of capping the field at 24, which would leave five spots open at this point. Please e-mail me ASAP if you'd like to add.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:54 am
by Scott
I'm sorry to say that we will not be able to make it to this tournament this year. Maybe next year!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:44 am
by garciaja
Champaign Centennial will bring one team so long as the field is still open.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:01 pm
by Lion81
Novi is interested in coming to this tournament, probably with one team. At this point it looks unlikely that we will be able to come, but we just wanted to let you know that we are considering coming.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:46 am
by Bonito
If needed, I can probably come and staff this. Or, Lisle might be able to field a team.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:32 pm
by pblessman
Greg and Harsha (and any others)- we're happy to have you at the tournament, but please let me know in the next day or two if you are seriously interested in coming. I would like to get this field settled soon.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:08 am
by Coach K
Phil,

Danville will be unable to attend this year. Sorry.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:00 am
by The Dance of Sorrow
I cannot believe I had absolutely no clue we were attending this. But, more quizbowl is more quizbowl!

EDIT: Looks like North is out due to an extreme lack of funds, apparently.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:41 am
by pblessman
Belvidere North has indeed officially withdrawn- hopefully you can make it next year! We still have a VERY strong field of ffifteen with six teams ranked in Fred Morlan's Top 20, the next seven in the Top 100 and only two unranked teams (both of which are going to NAQT Nationals):

6. Seven Lakes A (TX) 
7. Dorman A (SC) 
12. Detroit Catholic Central A (MI) 
13. Auburn A (IL) 
16. Dunbar A (KY) 
18. Loyola (IL) 
29. duPont Manual (KY) 
34. Lisle (IL)
36. Detroit Catholic Central B (MI) 
56. Culver A (IN) 
88. Detroit Country Day (MI)
89. Seven Lakes B (TX)
93. Auburn B (IL)
UR Culver B (IN)
UR St.Joe's (IN) 

At this point I am happy to stick with the field we have and play two seven-team round robins with exhibition cross-overs in the morning followed by an 8-6 re-bracket in the afternoon with matches from the morning carrying over, followed by an advantaged final. However, I am also open to expanding the field to 16 or 18 if a few more teams want to come. Please let me know ASAP if you'd like to add!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:49 am
by jonah
pblessman wrote:At this point I am happy to stick with the field we have and play two seven-team round robins with exhibition cross-overs in the morning followed by an 8-6 re-bracket in the afternoon with matches from the morning carrying over, followed by an advantaged final. However, I am also open to expanding the field to 16 or 18 if a few more teams want to come. Please let me know ASAP if you'd like to add!
Why not do a full round robin followed by advantaged finals? This takes the same number of packets as what you have proposed (namely, all 16 if there is a two-game final) but is decidedly more awesome.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 11:03 am
by Irreligion in Bangladesh
I think when he says "morning matches carry over" he means "carry over and therefore don't get replayed," which would take fewer packets than 16. Still, a full RR might go over well with the field.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:13 pm
by pblessman
Brad's right. I was intending for 11 rounds plus the final... Hmmm.... I kind of like the full RR idea... Thanks, Jonah, for the suggestion! Let me check with the other teams to see if they can/want to stay that long... with a 9 am start 13 rounds plus any possible tiebreaker plus finals might be a bit long... we have sixteen packets, but this would take us possibly until 6 pm, assuming we crank through rounds at 30 min per round.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:11 pm
by jonah
By the way, I made a mistake: it only takes 15 packets (13 regular, 2 finals).

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:41 pm
by pblessman
Lisle (IL) just added, so we're at 15 teams. Things just keep getting better!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:29 am
by pblessman
Harrison (IN) just added one team for sure and maybe a second team... Loyola B and Culver C are also available, so we have sixteen registered and three standing by to round out the field if necessary... Looks like 18 will be the field size, so if anybody out there is still thinking about adding, I need to know ASAP.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:08 am
by pblessman
We're at 16 right now, and I'm wondering if that might be a better number than 18... Considering the quality of the field I want to:

1. Provide as many matches as possible (11+Tiebreakers+Advantaged Final seems the max to me).
2. Make sure as many of the top-50 teams as possible play each other (we have nine in the top 36).
3. Avoid repeats.

So I'm thinking two eight-team round robins followed by a two rebracketed RRs with top teams playing four matches against the other morning RR's top teams, and bottom teams playing four matches against bottom teams. This means everybody plays all seven of the other teams in their half of the final standings and four from the other half... If we have 18 teams the best I can come up with is 3x6 rebracketed WITH repeats (to maximize games). This would mean all teams play all five other teams in their third of the final standings at least once (with one repeat) and two of the teams from each of the other two PM brackets.

I'd prefer the 2x8 over the 3x6, but I'm open to input (especially from people attending, but everybody can chime in, of course).

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:22 am
by jonah
pblessman wrote:If we have 18 teams the best I can come up with is 3x6 rebracketed WITH repeats (to maximize games). This would mean all teams play all five other teams in their third of the final standings at least once (with one repeat) and two of the teams from each of the other two PM brackets.
You could do 2 brackets of 9 and then 3 of 6, though it requires paper tiebreakers.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:37 am
by Nick
jonah wrote:
pblessman wrote:If we have 18 teams the best I can come up with is 3x6 rebracketed WITH repeats (to maximize games). This would mean all teams play all five other teams in their third of the final standings at least once (with one repeat) and two of the teams from each of the other two PM brackets.
You could do 2 brackets of 9 and then 3 of 6, though it requires paper tiebreakers.
Or the other way around.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:02 pm
by pblessman
New Trier just expressed strong interest, so this might be a moot point! Yay! For 18 the 6-6-6 then 9-9 idea looks interesting... If I'm not mistaken this should allow us to get done in 12 rounds plus tiebreakers, plus advantaged final, if the two matches from the morning rounds are carried over to the pm. Has anybody schedules this before? If yes, can you send me your bracket?

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:25 pm
by tabstop
pblessman wrote:New Trier just expressed strong interest, so this might be a moot point! Yay! For 18 the 6-6-6 then 9-9 idea looks interesting... If I'm not mistaken this should allow us to get done in 12 rounds plus tiebreakers, plus advantaged final, if the two matches from the morning rounds are carried over to the pm. Has anybody schedules this before? If yes, can you send me your bracket?
I am suspicious as to whether you can really do the afternoon in 7 rounds, since you can't schedule all your inter-bracket games into two rounds and then eliminate them, like you can with nice even numbers. (I'm still fiddling with it, but I'm moderately confident about not succeeding.) If you went the other way (i.e., 9s first then 6s), then you would be able to get out in 12.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:37 pm
by jonah
tabstop wrote:
pblessman wrote:New Trier just expressed strong interest, so this might be a moot point! Yay! For 18 the 6-6-6 then 9-9 idea looks interesting... If I'm not mistaken this should allow us to get done in 12 rounds plus tiebreakers, plus advantaged final, if the two matches from the morning rounds are carried over to the pm. Has anybody schedules this before? If yes, can you send me your bracket?
I am suspicious as to whether you can really do the afternoon in 7 rounds, since you can't schedule all your inter-bracket games into two rounds and then eliminate them, like you can with nice even numbers. (I'm still fiddling with it, but I'm moderately confident about not succeeding.) If you went the other way (i.e., 9s first then 6s), then you would be able to get out in 12.
This is correct. It's not a huge deal, but another reason that doing the brackets of 9 first is that then, there can be (non-counting) crossover matches that actually make sense.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:14 pm
by pblessman
Thanks, Jonah! Good point... just got to the same conclusion after I thought about it a bit more.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:42 pm
by Charles Martel
A1-B1, A2-C2, B3-C3, A3-B2, C1 free
A1-C1, B2-C2, A3-B3, A2-C3, B1 free
B1-C1, A2-B2, A3-C3, B3-C2, A1 free
A1-B2, B3-C1, A3-C2, B1-C3, A2 free
A1-C3, A2-B3, B1-C2, A3-C1, B2 free
B2-C3, A2-C1, A3-B1, A1-B3, C2 free
A1-C2, A2-B1, B2-C1, A3 free, B3 free, C3 free

Where the As, Bs, and Cs were in the same bracket and have carryover matches.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:53 pm
by pblessman
Nice job! I actually just finished my own solution after redoubting myself (and Jonah...):

B1-C3 A2-C2 A3-B2 C1-B3 A1BYE
A1-B3 A3-C3 A3-C2 C1-B2 B1BYE
A1-C3 B1-A3 A2-B2 C2-B3 C1BYE
A1-B2 C1-A3 B1-C2 B3-C3 A2BYE
A1-C2 B1-C1 A2-B3 A3-C3 B2BYE
A1-B1 C1-A2 B2-C3 B3-A3 C2BYE
A1-C1 B1-A2 B2-C2 A3B3C3 BYES

Fun! I think we'll play this if we have 18... seems more fun than the 2x9 then 3x6 option... gives us five rounds before lunch, seven after plus Finals. Yay!

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:57 pm
by Charles Martel
If you switch the 1s and 3s, and make the top three teams in each bracket 1,2,3, then this would also maximize the chance of being able to start the finals a round earlier.

Re: 2011 Midwest Championship May 14, 2011 at Culver (IN)

Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:01 am
by pblessman
New Trier is not going for sure, so I am going to close the field at 16. Any additional teams beyond the 16 registered can be added to the waitlist/standby list. As things stand I am planning on running two groups of eight in the morning. Teams will be seeded by the most current Top 100 published by Fred Morlan, with switches in the AM RR composition only being made to avoid prelim matches between teams from the same school (only three teams are unranked). The top four from each Prelim RR advance to the Championship RR, and the bottom four advance to the Consolation RR. Morning matches against teams advancing to the same bracket carry over to the afternoon. Tiebreakers will be common matches. Paper tiebreakers will only be used to decide order of playoff if a three or more-way tie exists. We'll finish with an advantaged final, if necessary.

Yay! We're VERY excited about this event! Thanks so much to all the teams who will attend!