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THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:53 pm
by Auroni
This announcement is for THUNDER II: Lightning Bolt Action, a follow up to last year's similarly named tournament this year. This time, the set is being written mostly by myself, Eric Mukherjee, Mike Cheyne, and Dominic Machado, with Trygve Meade providing a few social science questions. The distribution for this tournament is as follows:

Per Packet:

4/4 Literature
4/4 History
4/4 Science
3/3 Art (1/1 Painting, 1/1 Music, 1/1 Other Arts)
3/3 RMP (1/1 each)
2/2 SS
1/1 Trash/Geo/More Big 3/Your Choice

From this, I will be writing all of the literature, auditory arts, and religion. Eric will be writing all of the science, visual arts, and mythology. Mike Cheyne will be writing all of the American History, and Dominic Machado will be writing all of the other History. We will probably split or find new people to cover SS, philosophy, and the 1/1 Trash/Your Choice category.

We are looking to make improvements over last year's tournament. This edition will be carefully copy-edited, difficulty appropriate, and consistent. It will be around ACF Regionals in difficulty. Power placement will be fairer. All in all, this will shape up to be a polished and enjoyable set for all to play.

We also need some mirrors. We will have 14 packets written by the time the tournament runs. Get in touch with Eric or me if you would like to run one. Pricing information is forthcoming.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:10 pm
by grapesmoker
Will this tournament be open?

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:46 pm
by Sima Guang Hater
grapesmoker wrote:Will this tournament be open?
We're going to encourage mirrors to have people stick to their college teams, but exceptions will be made on a case-by-case basis by TDs.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:42 pm
by Jesus vs. Dragons
The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Will this tournament be open?
We're going to encourage mirrors to have people stick to their college teams, but exceptions will be made on a case-by-case basis by TDs.
Any word on possible mirrors?

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:34 am
by Auroni
Jesus vs. Dragons wrote:
The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Will this tournament be open?
We're going to encourage mirrors to have people stick to their college teams, but exceptions will be made on a case-by-case basis by TDs.
Any word on possible mirrors?
We have confirmed Northern Illinois University as a mirror. Chris Romero wants to mirror this set as well. We would love to have more sites, so email me at auronigupta@gmail.com. Our fee is $30 per team, but we can negotiate if need be.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:10 pm
by Mike Bentley
If plane tickets go down a bit I'd be interested in attending the San Diego mirror of this tournament.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:07 am
by Church51907
I saw that NIU is canceling their mirror of Thunder. Are there plans for an additionaly midwest mirror site?
Matt Church
U of L

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 7:16 pm
by Papa's in the House
Church51907 wrote:I saw that NIU is canceling their mirror of Thunder. Are there plans for an additionaly midwest mirror site?
Matt Church
U of L
UIUC will be hosting a mirror of this tournament.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:55 am
by Boeing X-20, Please!
Papa's in the House wrote:
Church51907 wrote:I saw that NIU is canceling their mirror of Thunder. Are there plans for an additionaly midwest mirror site?
Matt Church
U of L
UIUC will be hosting a mirror of this tournament.
Coolness. On the same date as in the title of this thread and was announced for NIU, I assume?

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:19 am
by Papa's in the House
Secretary of Bobcats wrote:
Papa's in the House wrote:
Church51907 wrote:I saw that NIU is canceling their mirror of Thunder. Are there plans for an additionaly midwest mirror site?
Matt Church
U of L
UIUC will be hosting a mirror of this tournament.
Coolness. On the same date as in the title of this thread and was announced for NIU, I assume?
Yes.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:20 pm
by mcgroth
UDel is planning on sending 2-3 teams to the UPenn site of this tournament.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:37 pm
by Church51907
U of L is planning to send two-three teams to the UIUC mirror.
Matt Church
University of Louisville

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:31 am
by itsthatoneguy
Michigan will be sending at least 2 teams to the Illinois location. More details to come later...

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:00 am
by Ike
I will announce the Illinois site after our mirror of EFT, but if anyone has any questions post here or email me.

Ike

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 12:01 pm
by Mike Bentley
I just booked my ticket for San Diego. If anyone has a place for me to stay, that'd be great.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:07 pm
by Edward Powers
Are high school teams welcome? If they are, and my kids continue to develop, Saint Joe's of Metuchen expresses interest in attending Thunder II at U Penn.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:09 pm
by Auroni
Edward Powers wrote:Are high school teams welcome? If they are, and my kids continue to develop, Saint Joe's of Metuchen expresses interest in attending Thunder II at U Penn.
Yeah, high schoolers are absolutely welcome.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:35 am
by Duncan Idaho
Can the field and/or any other information unique to Penn's mirror be posted, either in this thread or in a separate announcement thread? (I guess UCSD, too, but that's inconsequential to me.)

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:00 am
by TheKingInYellow
State College will bring a team to Penn

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:15 pm
by grapesmoker
Trevor Davis and I are playing together at Penn.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:56 pm
by pennstateqb
Penn State would love to bring 1 team to UPenn.

Also, we need some pricing info and something that can be called an itinerary in order to get funding. Can you provide a time and base cost for registration?

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:27 am
by Lapego1
Info for the Penn site is here.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:40 pm
by nurgles_herald
TheKingInYellow wrote:State College will bring a team to Penn
&%#$ you Graham Moyer.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:06 pm
by Sun Devil Student
One of my people has inquired about the possibility of writing a packet for a discount. (This of course assumes he and other ASU players actually attend. None of us who want to go are really sure if we can, given the proximity of this tournament to our finals. However, I thought I'd check into the possibility just in case.)

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 10:20 pm
by Auroni
I think we'll stick to not accepting packets for discounts. If your team is interested in attending and finances are a problem, email me and we'll work something out.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:21 pm
by Auroni
As of right now, just over 1/3 of this tournament has been written -- we are looking to get to 1/2 by the end of today.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:43 am
by Cheynem
I feel like this tournament could perhaps be described as "Regs +" in difficulty after seeing a lot of the answer lines, but I'll let the other editors weigh in, I guess.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:55 pm
by Sima Guang Hater
Cheynem wrote:I feel like this tournament could perhaps be described as "Regs +" in difficulty after seeing a lot of the answer lines, but I'll let the other editors weigh in, I guess.
Yeah id agree with that. Id ask people to look at TIT from last year to see what to expect.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:56 pm
by Auroni
The literature should be around Regionals or a little bit easier.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:02 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote:
Cheynem wrote:I feel like this tournament could perhaps be described as "Regs +" in difficulty after seeing a lot of the answer lines, but I'll let the other editors weigh in, I guess.
Yeah id agree with that. Id ask people to look at TIT from last year to see what to expect.
I'm glad there are all these wonderful regular difficulty tournaments to choose from this semester.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:05 am
by DumbJaques
I'm glad there are all these wonderful regular difficulty tournaments to choose from this semester.
I mean, this tournament hasn't even happened yet, and you seem to be blaming it for the wider difficulty landscape of the last few months of college quizbowl. Surely that's a bit premature, and even if it's not. . . come on, this tournament was basically invented last year. You're making a good point that this semester has had serious problems with event availability, but acting like the editors of THUNDER have some kind of civic duty to craft it in a certain way is silly. And, you know, it's not like regular difficulty tournaments can be received only by divine revelation - there's a fairly clear way one can try to bring them about, and it doesn't involve snarking at pre-existing events for no particular reason.


On the other hand:
Yeah id agree with that. Id ask people to look at TIT from last year to see what to expect.
To be fair man, I didn't even like the difficulty of last year's TIT all that much. As long as this is clearly a sub-nationals event though, I'd say it's marketed appropriately. Of course, if it's "Regionals plus" like MO was "Regionals plus," well. . . oops.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:27 am
by The King's Flight to the Scots
DumbJaques wrote:
I'm glad there are all these wonderful regular difficulty tournaments to choose from this semester.
I mean, this tournament hasn't even happened yet, and you seem to be blaming it for the wider difficulty landscape of the last few months of college quizbowl. Surely that's a bit premature, and even if it's not. . . come on, this tournament was basically invented last year. You're making a good point that this semester has had serious problems with event availability, but acting like the editors of THUNDER have some kind of civic duty to craft it in a certain way is silly. And, you know, it's not like regular difficulty tournaments can be received only by divine revelation - there's a fairly clear way one can try to bring them about, and it doesn't involve snarking at pre-existing events for no particular reason.


On the other hand:
Yeah id agree with that. Id ask people to look at TIT from last year to see what to expect.
To be fair man, I didn't even like the difficulty of last year's TIT all that much. As long as this is clearly a sub-nationals event though, I'd say it's marketed appropriately. Of course, if it's "Regionals plus" like MO was "Regionals plus," well. . . oops.
Hey, man, MO was "Regionals++". There's a clear distinction here.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:24 pm
by Auks Ran Ova
Cernel Joson wrote:
DumbJaques wrote:
I'm glad there are all these wonderful regular difficulty tournaments to choose from this semester.
I mean, this tournament hasn't even happened yet, and you seem to be blaming it for the wider difficulty landscape of the last few months of college quizbowl. Surely that's a bit premature, and even if it's not. . . come on, this tournament was basically invented last year. You're making a good point that this semester has had serious problems with event availability, but acting like the editors of THUNDER have some kind of civic duty to craft it in a certain way is silly. And, you know, it's not like regular difficulty tournaments can be received only by divine revelation - there's a fairly clear way one can try to bring them about, and it doesn't involve snarking at pre-existing events for no particular reason.


On the other hand:
Yeah id agree with that. Id ask people to look at TIT from last year to see what to expect.
To be fair man, I didn't even like the difficulty of last year's TIT all that much. As long as this is clearly a sub-nationals event though, I'd say it's marketed appropriately. Of course, if it's "Regionals plus" like MO was "Regionals plus," well. . . oops.
Hey, man, MO was "Regionals++". There's a clear distinction here.
Thankfully, we've long since dropped that delusion.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:01 pm
by Auroni
We're making a very genuine and concerted effort to curb down some of the "regionals +" difficulty that has crept into the set. Suffice to say that teams that played MO last weekend will notice the decrease in difficulty from that event to this one.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:02 pm
by Cheynem
That promise doesn't mean a whole lot, to be frank! MO was a very hard event intended for open teams, while this was theoretically announced as a regular difficulty tournament.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:07 pm
by Auroni
Why do you have to ruin my fun, Mike Cheyne? I was hoping for some dramatic understatement.

Regardless, I just want to mollify any fears that this event will run out of control difficulty-wise as it did last year.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:11 pm
by Cheynem
Your inscrutable Asian-ness makes it difficult to detect understatement. Fair enough.

Re: THUNDER II - 12/4/10 - UCSD/UPenn/??

Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:38 pm
by Auroni
Also, some credit where it is due: Thanks to Ike Jose for knocking out all of the philosophy and much of the social science, to Chris Chiego for stepping up to take some of the history, and to Jonathan Magin for stepping up to write all of the classical music tossups.