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Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:05 pm
by manary
UCSD Collegiate Novice Tournament Mirror
October 9th, 2010
10:00am-5:00pm
Building Student Services Center
Contact: Micah Manary
ucsdqb@gmail.com

Field (unconfirmed): Capped at 10-ish
UCSD 3
UCLA 1
ASU 3
UCI 1
Caltech 1
UNLV 1

This tournament is meant especially for college players who have never played quiz bowl. If you want to learn more about quiz bowl, please feel free to email us and we'll send you some great contacts. If your school already has an established team, this tournament would be great for your new freshmen and grad students as an introduction to the game. Please spread the word - this tournament will be a recruiting tool for all programs, as it will allow new players the chance to experience competition without the pressures of the more advanced teams and topics.

Price: $15/person, -$5 for bringing a buzzer, -$10 for bringing an experienced moderator, -$5/50 miles driven, FREE for out of state teams

Eligibility:
1. All ACF eligibility rules apply, except when they contradict the rules below.
2. This is a tournament for introducing collegiate novices to quizbowl. Consequently, no high school teams or players are eligible.
3. Anyone (who does not break Rules 1 or 2) who has never played quizbowl before is automatically eligible. Other academic competition does not count as quizbowl for this rule.
4. Players meeting one or more of the following criteria must apply to the head editor for special permission to play:
i. If you have already completed your second year of college (calculated from time in college, not credits).
ii. If you were ever on a playoff team at NAQT HSNCT or PACE NSC.
iii. If you have ever scored at least 30 points per game at any college tournament.
iv. If you have ever won any college tournament.
5. Anyone who does not fall into any of the four categories listed in Rule 4 is automatically eligible to play.
Clarification to rule 4.1: Time in a post-secondary high school program does not count.
Procedure for applying for special permission to play: 1) Email Andrew Hart at hartam@gmail.com; 2) state which of the Rule 4 points would render you otherwise ineligible; 3) list when and how you came to achieve any of the accomplishments that lead to your being otherwise ineligible; 4) state succinctly why you want to play.

This post will be updated with the field and location information as it happens.

Micah

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:40 am
by MattyJ
Its a good idea in theory, but will it have enough player and interest?

I would think that truly new players would be reluctant to go on their own to an event like this. Telling 2 new freshmen to find transport and go off on their own to SD to play at something they have never tried without even the benefit of the other team members they have only just met seems like a non-starter to me.

Also without advanced or players with some experience there are not people to help them overcome being afraid of the buzzer and help with rules and formats.

I am not trying to disparage this tournament, but I hate to see effort wasted. Hopefully for all of us, all of our schools get a ton of new enthusiastic people with no experience to come to this, and to keep the circuit growing!

Matt

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:57 am
by Charbroil
MattyJ wrote:Its a good idea in theory, but will it have enough player and interest?

I would think that truly new players would be reluctant to go on their own to an event like this. Telling 2 new freshmen to find transport and go off on their own to SD to play at something they have never tried without even the benefit of the other team members they have only just met seems like a non-starter to me.
Presumably most teams have either older players who might qualify for this event as well, or at the very least, older players who might be willing to transport said freshmen?

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:12 am
by manary
Hopefully, for established colleges, a veteran quiz bowler will come with them and moderate. For new colleges, they will be excited and come on their own, whether they are freshmen or not. I want to encourage upperclassmen who have never played quiz bowl from those new colleges to contact us so that they can play.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:51 pm
by rylltraka
It's just a function of this California quizbowl island that tournaments, with or without eligibility restrictions, are going to be small. We deal with it.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:03 pm
by Sun Devil Student
What wouldn't I give to be on your little island? The California quizbowl island is a lot bigger than the Arizona one!

ASU will definitely have some freshmen who would benefit from going to this tournament before attending ACF Fall the month after. The question is whether my few returning players with cars are willing to drive the freshmen (they would be much more likely to if they were allowed to play). I also believe one of the incoming freshmen who was in HSNCT playoffs with Brophy last year also has a car. Since you seem to be concerned about small field size, would it be alright for my drivers to play along with the actual novices?

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:37 pm
by Charbroil
Sun Devil Student wrote:Since you seem to be concerned about small field size, would it be alright for my drivers to play along with the actual novices?
You might want to consider this:
manary wrote: Procedure for applying for special permission to play: 1) Email Andrew Hart at hartam@gmail.com; 2) state which of the Rule 4 points would render you otherwise ineligible; 3) list when and how you came to achieve any of the accomplishments that lead to your being otherwise ineligible; 4) state succinctly why you want to play.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:37 pm
by Sun Devil Student
Ok, so I found at least 2 drivers for this. Expect at least 2, possibly 3 teams from ASU.

Is this thing still happening by the way? I really hope so, but there's been no movement on this thread for a while.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:25 pm
by Golran
We'll know how many teams around the 28th after our first club meeting.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 4:00 pm
by Auroni
Right now, we're looking at some number of teams from UCSD (say, 2-4), 2-3 from ASU, and some from UCLA. Some other regulars, like UCI and Caltech, haven't outright let us know that they can't come. So this tournament is definitely happening. Be sure to email Micah!

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:32 pm
by manary
Edited for more field updates!

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:36 pm
by cvdwightw
UCI's club is going with the innovative "don't waste time sitting in the back corner of a club fair trying to disabuse people of the notion that the club is into competitive bowling; try to find ways to do targeted advertising" strategy of recruiting new people. As a result we probably won't know whether we have a full or partial team until next week or later.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:14 pm
by Golran
Expect at most 1 UCLA, we're still looking at how to get transport together.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:38 am
by Golran
I just reserved a zipcar, so expect a team from UCLA. I'll also moderate if needed/desired and we'll bring 2 buzzers, and be driving about 130 miles.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:16 pm
by Golran
Zipcar changed my reservation without letting me know, and after spending an hour on the phone with them, we can't get a car until 8:00 AM, so we're going to be late. If you can (I think I saw an odd number of teams registered), please put UCLA's bye first. Sorry for late notice of us being late, but I just found out myself.

I really can't wait until I'm 21 and can rent from quality car companies that don't just change your registration at their will.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:09 pm
by Auroni
Golran wrote:Zipcar changed my reservation without letting me know, and after spending an hour on the phone with them, we can't get a car until 8:00 AM, so we're going to be late. If you can (I think I saw an odd number of teams registered), please put UCLA's bye first. Sorry for late notice of us being late, but I just found out myself.

I really can't wait until I'm 21 and can rent from quality car companies that don't just change your registration at their will.
You should be fine; the start time is 10 AM. For you or anyone else that runs into unexpected last-minute stuff, my phone number is (858)-349-2150.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:47 am
by The Tourist
ASU has seven competitors in San Diego at the moment, so we're not sure if we should stick with our previous three team commitment as 3, 2 and 2 (which might or might not be reasonable, as we have a couple players with closer to a year of experience) or compact into two teams of 3 and 4.

We're open to either (whichever is more convenient, I suppose), and if no one gets to this before about 8 tomorrow, we'll try calling.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:17 am
by manary
Noted. We will work it out when you get there.

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:14 am
by manary
Congratulations to Caltech, who swept the field by 2 games. It was great to see so many new players out there today - and it was great that players of all past quiz bowl histories could take part in the tournament. I think the tournament was very effective as an introduction to quiz bowl for new players, and I hope to see people at ACF Fall West (at Caltech) in November.

Full stats are below.

http://cchiego.myweb.uga.edu/cnt_standings.html

Re: Early Autumn Collegiate Novice at UCSD (10/9)

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:29 pm
by Auroni
Because of eligibility criteria violations on Caltech's part, UCSD A is now the winner of this tournament.