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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Gautam » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:45 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote: I think that's enough vague and probably unhelpful description of the difficulty level
Just give the people a benchmark so that they can form their rational expectations.... You of all people should know about signaling clearly, and the above post does nothing to make it clear.

Something as simple as "We want the tournament to emulate 2010 ACF Regionals in difficulty" would go a long way.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by aestheteboy » Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:45 pm

I've been told "regular difficulty," so I am personally aiming for 2010 Regionals level.

I would also like to remind people that we are looking for mirror sites. It's going to be a enjoyable set for sure.
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Post by Charbroil » Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:45 am

One to two teams from WUSTL, three buzzers, zero staffers. What does the field look like?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:12 am

That's a good question--please email me or post if you're planning to come
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by The Toad to Wigan Pier » Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:27 am

I'm going to be playing at this site, so consequently I'm looking for teammates. Email me or send me a PM if you want to be on my team.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Sun Jan 09, 2011 6:17 pm

If you could tentatively add a team of something like myself, Ben Carbery, Dan Donohue, and SPECIAL SURPRISE GUEST to the list, that'd be great. We'd be able to bring 2 buzzers.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Ringil » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:14 pm

Hmm no Michigan has posted yet, so I will and say that we'll bring 2-3 teams. (most likely 2)
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Post by nadph » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:37 am

Any word on those mirror sites?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:59 am

That's a good question. I emailed a couple of people and invited proposals for mirror sites, but I haven't had much interest. So I'll put it out there again: I would like the tournament to be mirrored if anyone is interested in hosting.
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Post by Sir Thopas » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:23 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote:That's a good question. I emailed a couple of people and invited proposals for mirror sites, but I haven't had much interest. So I'll put it out there again: I would like the tournament to be mirrored if anyone is interested in hosting.
Brown would be interested.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sun Devil Student » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:26 pm

In the event that Southern California (and the West Coast generally) does not show interest in holding this tournament, my team at ASU would like to host a delayed mirror sometime in March, understanding the risk that our field size may be reduced by spring breaks conflicting with our own. If it falls to ASU to host, we would prefer not to run this on 2/19/11 if possible, because literally *every* weekend in February is now occupied except for 2/19, and 4 weekends in a row seems kind of excessive.

Our local high schools mostly can't field teams on 3/5, 3/12 or 3/19 so we'd want to host delayed mirrors on any of those days. Would this be acceptable (assuming there's not a great deal of Southern California interest in this tournament)?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jan 10, 2011 6:43 pm

Great, glad to hear there's interest. Guy, why don't you email me to hammer out details? (msteinbaum at gmail). Kenneth, I've heard nothing from Southern California schools. If anybody from those places wants to host, please say so ASAP. Let's say if I don't have interest from anyplace there for February by Tuesday night (1/11), ASU can do it in March.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sam » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:54 pm

The tournament will be held in Harper Memorial Library, which is at the south end of the Quad. Here is a map.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sun Devil Student » Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:12 am

Tees-Exe Line wrote: I've heard nothing from Southern California schools. If anybody from those places wants to host, please say so ASAP. Let's say if I don't have interest from anyplace there for February by Tuesday night (1/11), ASU can do it in March.
I take it ASU has clearance to host Sack of Antwerp sometime in March then?

At this point I'd be looking at 3/5, 3/12, or 3/19 (whichever draws the most college teams). Despite the possible interference from spring break, I still suspect the field would be larger than it would be in February; spring break or not, Southern California just seems sluggish lately, and the later in the semester, the more time we have for Univ. of Arizona to hopefully get organized.
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Post by Tees-Exe Line » Sun Jan 16, 2011 11:31 am

That's right--ASU can run it in March, and whichever date you prefer is fine with us. Please email me so we can discuss the details.
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Post by Duncan Idaho » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:35 am

Is there any news of a possible East Coast mirror?
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Post by Papa's in the House » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:10 am

Ben Cole wrote:Is there any news of a possible East Coast mirror?
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Tees-Exe Line wrote:That's a good question. I emailed a couple of people and invited proposals for mirror sites, but I haven't had much interest. So I'll put it out there again: I would like the tournament to be mirrored if anyone is interested in hosting.
Brown would be interested.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:17 pm

Papa's in the House wrote:
Ben Cole wrote:Is there any news of a possible East Coast mirror?
Sir Thopas wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:That's a good question. I emailed a couple of people and invited proposals for mirror sites, but I haven't had much interest. So I'll put it out there again: I would like the tournament to be mirrored if anyone is interested in hosting.
Brown would be interested.
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Post by Papa's in the House » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:17 pm

Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
Papa's in the House wrote:
Ben Cole wrote:Is there any news of a possible East Coast mirror?
Sir Thopas wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:That's a good question. I emailed a couple of people and invited proposals for mirror sites, but I haven't had much interest. So I'll put it out there again: I would like the tournament to be mirrored if anyone is interested in hosting.
Brown would be interested.
Now, I know you're not a geographer, but...
Still closer than Chicago or ASU, but I understand your point (now).
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Post by mastaloo » Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:40 pm

Delaware is interested in hosting a mirror, but I need to check for room availability first.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Duncan Idaho » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:40 am

That was actually a complete oversight on my part. A mid-Atlantic mirror would be nice, but at the time I had forgotten that Brown had expressed interest in hosting a mirror.
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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:25 pm

Delaware is interested in hosting a mirror, but I need to check for room availability first.
Yeah, that would be awesome and certainly attended by some Maryland teams.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:50 pm

DumbJaques wrote:
Delaware is interested in hosting a mirror, but I need to check for room availability first.
Yeah, that would be awesome and certainly attended by some Maryland teams.
Probably some Penn teams too.
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Post by Gonzagapuma1 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:51 pm

MoCo would also most likely be there.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:16 pm

I'm sorry there's been some confusion about the location of this tournament's mid-Atlantic mirror. Based on an inquiry of mine in December, I guess that Delaware has been considering mirroring this. However, not having heard anything since a reply that essentially said "we'll consider it" at that time, I accepted Trevor Davis' proposal to host a "mid-atlantic mirror" at CMU. I think that Trevor will post an announcement to that effect soon.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by mastaloo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:50 pm

Whoops, I guess we should have responded earlier. Sorry about that.
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Post by Lapego1 » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:48 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote:I'm sorry there's been some confusion about the location of this tournament's mid-Atlantic mirror. Based on an inquiry of mine in December, I guess that Delaware has been considering mirroring this. However, not having heard anything since a reply that essentially said "we'll consider it" at that time, I accepted Trevor Davis' proposal to host a "mid-atlantic mirror" at CMU. I think that Trevor will post an announcement to that effect soon.
FYI, I don't think it would be a huge issue hosting it at both places, as they're over 5 hours apart. I don't think there are too many teams halfway between CMU and Delaware or anything, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Unicolored Jay » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:08 pm

If a mirror is indeed at CMU then Ohio State will most likely go there instead of going to Chicago for this.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Pilgrim » Mon Jan 24, 2011 8:16 pm

Lapego1 wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:I'm sorry there's been some confusion about the location of this tournament's mid-Atlantic mirror. Based on an inquiry of mine in December, I guess that Delaware has been considering mirroring this. However, not having heard anything since a reply that essentially said "we'll consider it" at that time, I accepted Trevor Davis' proposal to host a "mid-atlantic mirror" at CMU. I think that Trevor will post an announcement to that effect soon.
FYI, I don't think it would be a huge issue hosting it at both places, as they're over 5 hours apart. I don't think there are too many teams halfway between CMU and Delaware or anything, but I could be wrong.
If there is a mirror at Delaware, I doubt CMU will get enough teams to run. I realize that Delaware is more convenient for coastal teams, but we drive out to the coast for the majority of tournaments, so it seems reasonable to ask you guys to come out here once a year and help support our team finances.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sam » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:45 pm

Please note the lit distribution has changed.
Also, if you are a team whose plans have changed with the addition of a new mirror, make sure to say so here or in an email.
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Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:32 pm

Sam wrote:Please note the lit distribution has changed.
What's the rationale to having less European and World lit than any non-NAQT tournament? (And not much more than the NAQT distribution; they have 1 Euro+World per 26.)
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Post by Magister Ludi » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Yeah what would be in the mysterious "literature written in English" that is separate from American and British literature?
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Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:49 pm

Magister Ludi wrote:Yeah what would be in the mysterious "literature written in English" that is separate from American and British literature?
Canadian and Australian, maybe? People like Salman Rushdie?
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Post by Susan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:05 pm

There's a fair amount of world literature written in English (Matt mentions Salman Rushdie; one could add people like Vikram Seth, Jamaica Kincaid, Derek Walcott, Wole Soyinka, Nadine Gordimer, Ngugi wa Thiongo's pre-1986 work, etc.), but seems like this distribution might end up being pretty weirdly skewed (postcolonialism bowl? Commonwealth bowl?).
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Post by vcuEvan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:09 pm

Susan wrote:There's a fair amount of world literature written in English (Matt mentions Salman Rushdie; one could add people like Vikram Seth, Jamaica Kincaid, Derek Walcott, Wole Soyinka, Nadine Gordimer, Ngugi wa Thiongo's pre-1986 work, etc.), but seems like this distribution might end up being pretty weirdly skewed (postcolonialism bowl? Commonwealth bowl?).
I was assuming that part of the distribution could include other American and British things, which would make sense from a writing enough questions perspective.
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Post by Matt Weiner » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:10 pm

1/1 American
1/1 British
1/1 Literature written in English
1/1 European and World (not in English)
So it seems to me that what we have here is an additional 1/1 on anything in English, not excluding additional American or British literature, which has been done at several tournaments before.

Much about this tournament seems like a bad idea, and I have no faith that the writers are going to be able to overcome the handicaps they have put upon themselves with their whimiscal distribution and general insistence on reinventing the wheel. However, we don't need to pile on further by suspending our own reading-comprehension skills and assuming the worst about things that have well-established meanings in quizbowl.
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Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:11 pm

Cernel Joson wrote:
Magister Ludi wrote:Yeah what would be in the mysterious "literature written in English" that is separate from American and British literature?
Canadian and Australian, maybe? People like Salman Rushdie?
That's true. So, I'll admit that the proposed distro is a route to incorporate what would usually be called, for convenience, world lit into not-quite-world areas of the distribution. (I assumed "lit written in English" would largely entail more American and British.) The issue--even if you intend it to be 1/1 Commonwealth Lit, in essence--is that the distribution is sort of orthogonal to what anyone prepares for. (It would be like having a lit subdistribution of 1/1 non-world prose, 1/1 non-world poetry, 1/1 non-world drama, and 1/1 world... even if in that situation, it's possible to write a tournament that incidentally provides 1/1 American, 1/1 British, and 1/1 Euro, it's also impossible to expect that.

This isn't to defend the extant literature distribution (though I do think that it's a better distribution than what you're proposing); I think it's very difficult to argue that one distribution is superior in all cases to all others. (Obviously 4/4 American lit is worse than almost all other distributions, but once you get to trying to distinguish "the best" from "epsilon away from the best," your criteria get sticky.) What I do think it is possible to argue, and what I think ought to be argued in this situation, is that by presenting a new category like this undermines distributional expectations, hindering preparation, and as such regular season tournaments aren't the best place for such innovation.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Sam » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:11 pm

The "literature written in English" category wouldn't exclude American or British. Some rounds may have more than 1/1 of those.
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Post by Magister Ludi » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:46 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:
1/1 American
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1/1 Literature written in English
1/1 European and World (not in English)
So it seems to me that what we have here is an additional 1/1 on anything in English, not excluding additional American or British literature, which has been done at several tournaments before.

Much about this tournament seems like a bad idea, and I have no faith that the writers are going to be able to overcome the handicaps they have put upon themselves with their whimiscal distribution and general insistence on reinventing the wheel. However, we don't need to pile on further by suspending our own reading-comprehension skills and assuming the worst about things that have well-established meanings in quizbowl.
I think it is a fair question--when dealing with a tournament that already has a quirky distribution and a disregard for some tournament norms-- to ask for clarification and not assume that everything is necessarily following their established meanings in quizbowl. I guess I felt it was a bit arbitrary to decide to include 1/1 extra literature written in English and just wanted to make sure it wasn't anglophone world literature or Canadian literature that might skew the distribution in some way.
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Post by DumbJaques » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:47 pm

If there is a mirror at Delaware, I doubt CMU will get enough teams to run. I realize that Delaware is more convenient for coastal teams, but we drive out to the coast for the majority of tournaments, so it seems reasonable to ask you guys to come out here once a year and help support our team finances.
I certainly want to support CMU financially, but driving 5 hours and doing the hotel thing to play a tournament that's already starting off with a wonky mission statement and is written, entirely, by first-time editors (who recently submitted a TIT packet I'd call "mediocre" in most categories). . . I'm sorry dude, that's just too tough of a sell. I'd certainly come out to CMU for an IO mirror, or indeed for a whole number of tournaments that aren't this one, but barring some kind of confirmation of set quality or a UD mirror, I don't think Maryland is likely to play this tournament.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by mastaloo » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:45 am

DumbJaques wrote:but barring some kind of confirmation of set quality or a UD mirror, I don't think Maryland is likely to play this tournament.
I can definitely tell you that there won't be a Delaware mirror now.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:49 pm

About "Literature Written in English": basically, the tournament will have more American and British literature in it than I previously said. The reason that I wrote it that way is to say that South African, Australian, and whatever else you might call "Anglo" and that you might normally find in a "world literature" distribution will not, in this case, be in world literature. So let's say the literature distribution might be better described as "3/3 Anglo," of which at least 1/1 American and 1/1 British, and 1/1 non-Anglo.

As for the tournament quality, I don't think it's bad at all, though I'm not sure what I can credibly do to convince you otherwise. I can't speak to my teammates' TIT submission other than to say I had nothing to do with it, and although the distribution in this tournament is different than the norm, I'd think that would be a positive distinguishing characteristic. Then again, I'm a liberal.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Cheynem » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:02 pm

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by No Rules Westbrook » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:24 am

I applaud the effort to reinvent quizbowl's wheel. I'm not sure how successful or unsuccessful this event will be, but if it flounders, it won't be because of a 1/1 distribution problem.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by grapesmoker » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:34 pm

DumbJaques wrote:
If there is a mirror at Delaware, I doubt CMU will get enough teams to run. I realize that Delaware is more convenient for coastal teams, but we drive out to the coast for the majority of tournaments, so it seems reasonable to ask you guys to come out here once a year and help support our team finances.
I certainly want to support CMU financially, but driving 5 hours and doing the hotel thing to play a tournament that's already starting off with a wonky mission statement and is written, entirely, by first-time editors (who recently submitted a TIT packet I'd call "mediocre" in most categories). . . I'm sorry dude, that's just too tough of a sell. I'd certainly come out to CMU for an IO mirror, or indeed for a whole number of tournaments that aren't this one, but barring some kind of confirmation of set quality or a UD mirror, I don't think Maryland is likely to play this tournament.
Quizbowl players have made far more taxing trips for far less. If you don't want to come, that's up to you, but please don't make it sound like it's some great hardship.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by evilmonkey » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:15 am

Oh, hey, this sounds like fun. We'll be there. (It remains to be seen whether this "we" involves half a team, a full team, or two teams).
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:20 am

evilmonkey wrote:Oh, hey, this sounds like fun. We'll be there. (It remains to be seen whether this "we" involves half a team, a full team, or two teams).
quoted, because otherwise I would just be re-wording his message for us.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:45 pm

Nalin and Bryce,

Sorry for my lack of reading comprehension, but allow me to confirm that the message I should take from your two posts is that each of Michigan State and Notre Dame will come to the Chicago site with at least one (possibly partial) team and perhaps with two.

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote:Nalin and Bryce,

Sorry for my lack of reading comprehension, but allow me to confirm that the message I should take from your two posts is that each of Michigan State and Notre Dame will come to the Chicago site with at least one (possibly partial) team and perhaps with two.

Thanks.
Yes, that is in fact correct. For us.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The Sack of Antwerp (Chicago 2/19/2011)

Post by evilmonkey » Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:50 pm

nalin wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:Nalin and Bryce,

Sorry for my lack of reading comprehension, but allow me to confirm that the message I should take from your two posts is that each of Michigan State and Notre Dame will come to the Chicago site with at least one (possibly partial) team and perhaps with two.

Thanks.
Yes, that is in fact correct. For us.
And it is now my turn to quote Nalin, as his response is exactly what I want to say.
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