ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Pardon the delay, but stats are finally up: http://people.brandeis.edu/~valiant/acf ... 010-stats/
I made a mistake and put them all the same file (assuming that SBQS could somehow take rebracketing into account)--playoffs and prelims stats will be separated by the middle of the day. My apologies again.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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I have to say, Needham High School, a team that apparently is pretty new to high school quiz bowl(?), putting up 12.38 ppb with their A team at Fall is pretty impressive.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Ronnie the Bear wrote:I have to say, Needham High School, a team that apparently is pretty new to high school quiz bowl(?), putting up 12.38 ppb with their A team at Fall is pretty impressive.
They are often an HFT attendee; I don't know how many other tournaments they play.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
Ronnie the Bear wrote:I have to say, Needham High School, a team that apparently is pretty new to high school quiz bowl(?), putting up 12.38 ppb with their A team at Fall is pretty impressive.
They are often an HFT attendee; I don't know how many other tournaments they play.
In fact they have never missed an HFT (until next week?), going all the way back to the first in 2006.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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I applaud Brandeis for their speedy posting of stats!
Two sorta strange things I noticed;
In Yale B vs. Brown, we got 306 points?
And in Yale B vs. Yale A, we got total negs of -2? Is that a thing?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Gah, you people with your "facts" and your "analyzing information on what actually happened".

Still, this is the first time I've heard of this particular school going to a more difficult tournament; that's not a bad performance at all.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Ronnie the Bear wrote:a more difficult tournament [than HFT]
pfft

This year's will be cool though.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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"Harvard A’s unfortunate situation, of being stuck with two 55-minute-a-round readers in the bracket, and triggering a forfeit from two house teams who’d read the wrong packet" -RyuAqua

Brandeis C forfeited because both Ariel and I were sent to speed up the reading elsewhere, a decision that, judging by your disappointment with the inadequate reading, you should support. Once again, the problem could have been avoided altogether had more readers been sent.

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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Where's Anurag?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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TheKingInYellow wrote:Where's Anurag?
Playing Tiddlywinks with Neil Fitzgerald.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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TheKingInYellow wrote:Where's Anurag?
I asked him this year if he was doing QB, and he seemed to hint that he wasn't doing it. I hope he is wrong.

I still think Neil is doing it; just an unfortunate conflict came up the same weekend.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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PrinceOfPersia wrote:Once again, the problem could have been avoided altogether had more readers been sent.
Is it the case that Harvard offered to bring readers but was told they weren't needed? If so, why?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Frater Taciturnus wrote:
TheKingInYellow wrote:Where's Anurag?
Playing Tiddlywinks with Neil Fitzgerald.
As Neil (Gurram) said above, I'm definitely not dropping out of quiz bowl just yet; just busy this weekend. Plus, we would have had to write a packet, which I neglected to do this summer.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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nafitzgerald wrote:
Frater Taciturnus wrote:
TheKingInYellow wrote:Where's Anurag?
Playing Tiddlywinks with Neil Fitzgerald.
As Neil (Gurram) said above, I'm definitely not dropping out of quiz bowl just yet; just busy this weekend. Plus, we would have had to write a packet, which I neglected to do this summer.
If you think you would have needed to because you played a collegiate tournament in high school, then I believe that's untrue?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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As I recall, I competed in Fall and Winter (and also MUT) for the past two years with EPHS, so I thought I would have to. Maybe that's not the case, though?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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nafitzgerald wrote:As I recall, I competed in Fall and Winter (and also MUT) for the past two years with EPHS, so I thought I would have to. Maybe that's not the case, though?
I played Regionals '09, and was told that my team would not have to write a packet as a result. I believe the implicit reason was because I was in high school when I played Regionals. If that is the case, then you (and I) do not have to write packets until we begin junior year, I believe?
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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grapesmoker wrote:
PrinceOfPersia wrote:Once again, the problem could have been avoided altogether had more readers been sent.
Is it the case that Harvard offered to bring readers but was told they weren't needed? If so, why?
Approximately. Before our work schedule for HFT was looking the way it is, I offered more readers (essentially, Dennis--who was there--plus me, Dallas, and Sam). More recently, I said that we could send two teams and Dennis--I was stupid to assume that Vu would feel like he had the status-cojones to say "fuck you, we need more readers" and never explicitly said--after that second offer of one reader--that we could bring more if things were really trying. That's definitely on me.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Given that similar confusion continues to accompany the announcement of the SCT locations, it seems like this is a good time to repeat my suggestion that Harvard, Yale, Brown, and MIT get together at the beginning of the school year to work out who is going to host what in New England. Particularly the big tournaments that only some schools can possibly staff (like the SCT and probably also ACF Fall) should probably be on a set year-by-year rotation. If you don't work it out now, then we're going to reprise this thread in February. Alternatively, you can all book your plane tickets now for the only Region 1 SCT site with its act together; we would be happy to have you.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Kyle wrote:Given that similar confusion continues to accompany the announcement of the SCT locations, it seems like this is a good time to repeat my suggestion that Harvard, Yale, Brown, and MIT get together at the beginning of the school year to work out who is going to host what in New England. Particularly the big tournaments that only some schools can possibly staff (like the SCT and probably also ACF Fall) should probably be on a set year-by-year rotation. If you don't work it out now, then we're going to reprise this thread in February. Alternatively, you can all book your plane tickets now for the only Region 1 SCT site with its act together; we would be happy to have you.
I did that last year. It more or less worked out ok.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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To Mike Cheyne with respect to repeats on this year's set from last year:

Redacted to protect answer-lines---in response to a request from Kyle Haddad-Fonda.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Solely for my sake, can we please keep specific answers in the appropriate thread for another week and a half? Thanks!
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Sorry---I thought the packets had been released for discussion. I will redact my previous post.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Well, they have, but they're still going to be used here on the 20th, hence the request to keep them in their thread. Thanks!
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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grapesmoker wrote:
Kyle wrote:Given that similar confusion continues to accompany the announcement of the SCT locations, it seems like this is a good time to repeat my suggestion that Harvard, Yale, Brown, and MIT get together at the beginning of the school year to work out who is going to host what in New England. Particularly the big tournaments that only some schools can possibly staff (like the SCT and probably also ACF Fall) should probably be on a set year-by-year rotation. If you don't work it out now, then we're going to reprise this thread in February. Alternatively, you can all book your plane tickets now for the only Region 1 SCT site with its act together; we would be happy to have you.
I did that last year. It more or less worked out ok.
Yeah, and Guy and I have tried to do the same but with more limited success (for Fall, at least); we're going to collaborate on SCT (last I checked, at least).
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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http://people.brandeis.edu/~valiant/acf ... 010-stats/ Full stats are now up, with any wonkiness (mostly) ironed out. The standings for the playoffs are really whacked out, because so many teams left early and I didn't feel comfortable recording a bunch of forfeits for (what has been made resolutely clear to be) my own errors.
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Re: ACF Fall New England: Brandeis (6 November 2010)

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Thanks, Vu.
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