ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:40 am

Brendan Byrne and I just sent in our packet for this.
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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:32 pm

Cheynem wrote: 10. Ben Carbery and Ben Chametsky (The Trung Sisters)
I seem to be replacing Ben Carbery on this team.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by DumbJaques » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:26 pm

Could we get an update on how many packets we're working with/the current team situation? I also think it'd be prudent to make sure someone's in charge of the logistics, since it'll be the first event of the weekend and getting buzzeers/staffers all set may be a bit of a hassle.

On a personal note, I too am finding this distribution way too rigid and, let's be honest, Arthurian for my tastes; random examples include how there seems to be no place for non-classical ancient history besides "choice," and for no reason whatsoever the 19th century of American history has been doubly weighted over the 20th. I don't at all plan on turning my half of our packet into a theme round, but I do think this event could be enriched by altering one or two things to make it a bit more evenly-distributed, and I hope other teams do the same.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:53 pm

Where will this tournament take place
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Mike Bentley » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:45 am

Should we mix our submitted packets?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Mike Bentley » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:25 am

Also, are there going to be volunteers to staff this tournament? We won't have enough bye-round readers if we're just doing two-person teams.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:45 am

We currently have 12 teams "signed up" with a few people who never officially declared a team and maybe some others who are playing.

Let me repost the field here and try to organize some moderators + buzzers.

1. Bruce Arthur and Brendan Byrne (Polisario Front)--packet submitted
2. Mike Cheyne and Matt Bollinger (Team Magma)--packet submitted
3. Kurtis Droge and Libo Zeng (The Beagle Boys)--packet submitted
4. Jeff Hoppes and Chris Ray (Friends of Humanity)--packet submitted
5. Ryan Westbrook and Matt Lafer (Keep Royalty White, Rat Catching And Safe Sewage Residents' Party)--packet submitted
6. Jerry Vinokurov and Jonathan Magin (Ilf and Petrov's Excellent Adventure)--packet promised
7. Mike Bentley and Rob Carson (Get Rid of Slimy Girls)--packet submitted
8. Dallas Simons and Gautam Kandlikar (Codename: Kids Next Door)--packet submitted
9. Carsten Gehring and Mik Larsen (Chipko Andolan)--packet submitted
10. Joltin' Joe Nutter and Ben Chametsky (The Trung Sisters)--packet promised (half packet in?)
11. Marshall Steinbaum and Paul Gauthier (W.O.O.H.P.)--packet submitted
12. Andrew Hart and Trevor Davis (The Wackiest Ship in the Navy)--packet promised (half packet in)
13. Matt Weiner and Guy Tabachnick (Mental Organisms Designed Only for Fun--FUN!)--packet promised (half packet in)
14. Charles Hang and Adrian Blaszkiewicz (The Secret Society of Super-Villains)--packet promised
15. Ike Jose and Will Butler (Will and Ike, They Look Alike)--packet in (?)

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Rom Masrour
Charlie Dees

If this has changed, please let me know.

Once teams are finalized, I, with the assistance of the redactors and Big Bruce Arthur, will form a schedule and decide on format.

STAFFERS
We obviously need staffers. We'll probably need around 6. During each round, the 2 people who wrote the packet will act as staffers. If anyone would like to volunteer for this or knows someone who could, that would be awesome.

Michael Hausinger
Matt Jackson?
Bryce Durgin
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BUZZERS
We need buzzers. Please bring them.

3 buzzers--Kurtis and Libo
various (at least 4)--Matt Weiner
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Demonic Leftovers » Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:53 am

I'm going to drop out as there is no chance I can get questions written for this in time.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Quantum Mushroom Billiard Hat » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:04 pm

I'll staff.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Ringil » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:22 pm

Kurtis and I can bring 3 buzzers.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:26 pm

I can read if necessary/I'm here on time. I don't think I'd be able to finish a packet at this point.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:42 pm

As I said above but wasn't in the new post, I'm playing with Chametzky instead of Ben Carbery.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:22 pm

My packet's been sent in.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:32 pm

So Cheyne and I talked about it, and we split duties up this way: I'll be in charge of liaising with Westbrook, the UChicago team, and the redactors (Kyle and Chris Chiego), in other words ensuring that there are rooms and packets, and Mike Cheyne will be in charge of ensuring that there are moderators and buzzers.

Please direct logistics-related correspondence to whichever one of us is appropriate.

Also, I am thinking a start time of 7-8 PM, with the 5-8 PM window a possibility for wiffleball, since a lot of people *could* get there early according to the poll.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Wackford Squeers » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:10 am

I'll be be on campus, so I could come help with whatever whenever.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by theMoMA » Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:58 am

I'm playing with Trevor Davis.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Mike Bentley » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:01 am

An 8 PM start time is a bit late for my tastes if we are indeed running 12 packets.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Kyle » Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:22 am

Mike Bentley wrote:An 8 PM start time is a bit late for my tastes if we are indeed running 12 packets.
I would be pretty surprised if we actually get 12 packets. We have two at the moment, plus the editor's packet, and the packet deadline is on Friday.
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Post by Gautam » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:09 am

Dallas simons and I are now playing together.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Ringil » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:09 am

Kyle wrote:
Mike Bentley wrote:An 8 PM start time is a bit late for my tastes if we are indeed running 12 packets.
I would be pretty surprised if we actually get 12 packets. We have two at the moment, plus the editor's packet, and the packet deadline is on Friday.
We're mostly done with our packet (ie only 1 question left), but we've been lazy in writing that question. We'll have it turned in for sure by Friday though.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:43 pm

With just a few days away, there are four packets submitted. If you turn in a late packet without communicating or are NOT planning on writing a packet (I know some people have been in contact with the redactors), then you may have to pay something or may even be dropped if the field has no room.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Kyle » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:10 am

At the nominal deadline, I have full packets from:

Bentley and Carson
Arthur and Byrne
Cheyne and Bollinger
Droge and Zeng
Gauthier and Steinbaum
EDIT: Larsen and Gehring

I also have a half packet from Jeff Hoppes with the promise of another half on the way. I also heard from Matt Lafer and Dallas Simons that their packets are in the works. If you're going to turn in a packet, you need to let Chris and me know when to expect it. You also need to talk to Mike Cheyne about the penance you will have to do for turning it in late. This penance is likely to take the form either of a small fee or of food for the other people who are playing. I'm willing to be a little bit lenient about your general tardiness on account of the fact that, so far, you have all done a wonderful job of not writing repeats. I believe there is only one repeat in the first five packets, which is easy to take care of because you all had to write 4 extra tossups.

My first impression is that there is likely to be a fairly lively discussion thread in the aftermath of this tournament. People seem to have placed a premium on creativity, particularly in terms of historiography and common links, and with mixed results. There also seems to be a very wide spread in difficulty, often within individual packets. I say this just to warn you in advance that this should be a supremely entertaining tournament.
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Post by rylltraka » Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:30 am

Packet sent. Be generous our mighty overlords.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:40 am

If you tell me that you have a packet and you bring it and it at least doesn't have like every question a duplicate, then I would imagine any penalty would be minimal, if at all. Not writing a packet at all, however, is most problematic.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by theMoMA » Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:27 pm

I have my half of the packet done as of Thursday; if you'd like me to email it, I can.
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Post by Kyle » Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:08 am

theMoMA wrote:I have my half of the packet done as of Thursday; if you'd like me to email it, I can.
If you can send the whole packet by Tuesday (my time), then that would be ideal. If not, then I'll take the half packet by then.
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Post by grapesmoker » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:07 pm

We're working on it, Kyle. Should be in by Tuesday.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by marnold » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:24 am

Kyle wrote: Gauthier and Steinbaum
I only want to play this packet
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:54 am

It would be great to have at least one more staffer and several more buzzer systems.

Also, please bring a laptop if possible.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Louis XIV and Twenty Million Henchmen » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:57 am

Cheynem wrote:It would be great to have at least one more staffer and several more buzzer systems.

Also, please brig a laptop if possible.
I'm getting in to Chicago around 4 that day, so I would be able to staff this.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:15 pm

Per Bruce:

The start time is 7 PM sharp. Please be at Harper 103 by then. Bruce and I both have voted Republican at times, so we obviously have no problem screwing people over, so consider that a warning that we might start without you if you are not there.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Ike » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:06 am

Hey I want to play this. If there's anyone out there who still wants to play, send me an email. I have twelve questions out there, so hopefully you don't mind writing mroe.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:16 am

So how many packets are we at now?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Auroni » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:56 pm

I have already communicated this to Kyle, but I am working on a packet for this that will be in his inbox by the time he wakes up tomorrow morning.
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Post by Kyle » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:32 pm

Bentley and Carson
Arthur and Byrne
Cheyne and Bollinger
Droge and Zeng
Gauthier and Steinbaum
Larsen and Gehring
Simons and Kandlikar
Lafer and Westbrook
Ray and Hoppes
Magin and Vinokurov
Haddad-Fonda and Chiego

Halves:

Wiener but not Tabachnick
Hart but not Davis
Jose

Auroni, I just wrote you an email expressing appreciation for the offer of a full packet, but also pointing out that a half packet that I could combine with Ike's would also be a welcome contribution if you get tired.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by theMoMA » Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:49 pm

Kyle, I thought I added you as a contributor to our collaborative document for our packet, but I apparently neglected to. In any event, you are now able to see it. I think Trevor plans to have his questions done soon, and mine are all in there.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Kyle » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:00 pm

I've got it now. Thanks, Andrew.

On the whole, people are still doing a solid job of avoiding repeats, but they are beginning to appear with increasing frequency. So I really would encourage the delinquents to get their packets done so Chris and I can fix things up!
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Wackford Squeers » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:57 pm

Kyle, did you not get the half I sent you on Friday? Also, should I plan on coming by to help set up before the tournament?
P.S. Would any legal adult be willing to come sign me in and out of Max East before and after the tournament? I can't be out past eleven otherwise. It's not difficult, you just need flash an ID and sign a ledger.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:03 pm

If people could arrive the sooner, the better. I think Bruce and I plan on being there by 6:00, so if you show up then, we could certainly use the help in setting up.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by magin » Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:42 pm

Since Jerry's flight lands at 6:35 tomorrow, could we read our packet first to make it more likely he doesn't miss any rounds?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:02 pm

Libo informs me he will only be bringing one buzzer, not three. Matt Weiner will be bringing at least four buzzers (I'm not sure how many in total). I would like to have one more buzzer system just to be on the safe side (perhaps Rom's buzzer system could be obtained/brought)?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Charbroil » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:42 pm

Cheynem wrote:Libo informs me he will only be bringing one buzzer, not three. Matt Weiner will be bringing at least four buzzers (I'm not sure how many in total). I would like to have one more buzzer system just to be on the safe side (perhaps Rom's buzzer system could be obtained/brought)?
I can bring two buzzers; our packet will be in shortly.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Matt Weiner » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:52 pm

I ended up only having three VCU buzzers. Also, I saw a completed copy of our packet from Guy but perhaps that was after Kyle updated the post.
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Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:11 pm

Antonio Sant'Elia wrote:Kyle, did you not get the half I sent you on Friday? Also, should I plan on coming by to help set up before the tournament?
More tossups from this packet will likely be forthcoming - I know that 19 or more are done and I will likely spend tomorrow typing out five more on my ipod.

I can also probably get there early; where is a nearby place I can park that's free in the evening?
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Post by Cheynem » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:21 pm

Charles, who is your partner?
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Charbroil » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:28 pm

Cheynem wrote:Charles, who is your partner?
I'm playing with Adrian Blaszkiewicz, one of my WUSTL teammates.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Cheynem » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:00 pm

Good evening.

I have a suggestion.

Currently, we have 14 teams signed up for this event. The majority of them have submitted packets or at least half packets or have promised to turn in packets.

If we play everyone's packet, that's a lot of quizbowl. Even with tossups only, if we assume a round can be finished in 20 minutes, starting at 7:00, that's a long time. I don't really want to be playing past 11:00 on a school night.

My suggestion:

Combine the doubles teams into quads. Play "super packets" of 40/0. This would cut the rounds down (I think the majority of time added onto rounds is switching rooms, waiting for rooms to finish, getting packets set up on computers, switching moderators, etc.). It would give us like 7 packets plus finals plus Auroni's packet of mystery or whatever. That's fine for a side event especially with 40 tossup packets. It also would give us more moderators for each round (4 instead of 2).

Of course, then, how would quads be formed? Spur of the moment craziness? Wheeling and dealing while suckers are traveling? I will strongly propose this to Bruce pre event and see what he thinks, but I wonder if others share my concerns at this moment.

Also:

If we're doing wheeling and dealing now, I would like to play with Marshall Steinbaum and Paul Gauthier.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Wackford Squeers » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:23 pm

Plan Rubber wrote:
Antonio Sant'Elia wrote:Kyle, did you not get the half I sent you on Friday? Also, should I plan on coming by to help set up before the tournament?
I know that 19 or more are done ?
Fewer than this are actually done.
Cheynem wrote:Good evening.

My suggestion:

Combine the doubles teams into quads. Play "super packets" of 40/0. This would cut the rounds down (I think the majority of time added onto rounds is switching rooms, waiting for rooms to finish, getting packets set up on computers, switching moderators, etc.). It would give us like 7 packets plus finals plus Auroni's packet of mystery or whatever. That's fine for a side event especially with 40 tossup packets. It also would give us more moderators for each round (4 instead of 2).
We should pick teams dodgeball style. I'd prefer not to play 40 tossup rounds, but if that's what happens it would at least be interesting.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:32 pm

I'm in favor of the quads suggestion. It also prevents us from being as obliged to wait on people showing up late since they'll have more teammates. I'd be for just randomly assigning teams together to make things easier.
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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Guerilla History Doubles (July 29 @ CO Weeknd)

Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:36 pm

I'm skeptical of the idea that most quizbowlers would have a problem playing until 11 PM, especially at Chicago Open where it's rather expected that things will run well into the night.

But if there is overwhelming support I will go along with it.
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