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Re: BARGE at Maryland (12/03/11)

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 7:15 pm
by DumbJaques
After talking it over with everyone, this tournament has been moved to Saturday, January 14, 2012. It's still paired with Maryland's house-written trash tournament, TERP, will run the next day.

The announcement and packet submission schedule has been updated, and I'm looking for new mirror locations since I believe only Illinois is 100% able to host their site given the new date. Drop me a line if you're interested, or wish to register a team/join the free agent pool.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:19 pm
by The Schopenhauer Power Hour
The announcement for TERP 2 (subtitle pending) is in the Trash subforum and can be found here.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:48 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
I think MU would still be interested in hosting this.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:09 am
by Adventure Temple Trail
Given this scheduling move, I would greatly appreciate it if people from Maryland and Penn could tell us what's going to happen with the timing or happening of Terrapin and Penn Bowl this year. The spring schedule now looks unhealthily crowded - by my count BARGE, Terrapin, Penn Bowl, SCT, Regionals, GAAP, MUT, the Chicago tournament, Illinois Open, ICT, and ACF Nationals are all slated to happen. That's eleven tournaments in the fifteen-week span from January 14th to April 21st. Is this really what the spring semester is going to look like? How many teams have the time, dedication, and money to attend eleven events in three months?

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:09 am
by Skepticism and Animal Feed
Its all nice and well to collude with each other and create a perfectly distributed calendar, and it seems that Chris came into this thread intending to do just that. Then we all spent the first page of this thread convincing Chris that December is unviable. Its unfair for us to now yell at Chris for overcrowding.

If the reality is that not all possible weekends are equally viable then you will have bunched up tournaments. If you can't attend them all, pick the ones you want to and sleep in on the other weekends. Play the ones you cant attend at practice. As long as not all teams pick the same schedule, there should still be a vibrant circuit where all teams can avail themselves of the benefit of writing a tournament.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:24 am
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
I frankly dislike that after all this hemming and hawwing about hammering out a well distributed calendar, some of those exact people who pushed hardest for the calendar decided to pester Chris into changing his long-announced date that helped to make the calendar a lot more balanced by ensuring a December event because they decided they would rather staff a high school tournament.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:01 am
by Cheynem
For what it's worth, I think GAAP and MUT are basically the same tournament now.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:03 am
by Matt Weiner
College Park Spyders wrote:I frankly dislike that after all this hemming and hawwing about hammering out a well distributed calendar, some of those exact people who pushed hardest for the calendar decided to pester Chris into changing his long-announced date that helped to make the calendar a lot more balanced by ensuring a December event because they decided they would rather staff a high school tournament.
Uh, yeah, the problem would be that his date was announced not "long" in advance, but in fact after the semester had already started and several tournaments that people had committed to run or staff had been announced. From the beginning I've said that part of the calendar setup needs to be that people set the entire year in the summer and don't try to ad-hoc tournaments in later when there will inevitably be conflicts and difficulty in getting people to go. You yourself have demanded, reasonably, that ACF Nationals be set in stone early enough for Missouri to submit their budget request. I think this applies to many tournaments and many clubs.

Of course, the system has already collapsed since ACF Regionals hasn't even put out a call for hosts, no SCT sites are announced even though they're all going to be at the ACUI hosts that were designated over a year ago anyway, etc. So people can do whatever they want (as they always have been able to do) but hosts like Maryland will continue to try to maximize their tournament attendance by listening to what the needs of their attendees are (as they have always been able to do). Maybe next year will be when collegiate quizbowl finally starts to take itself seriously enough to think about not bleeding off teams every year in order to avoid "collusion" accusations from Bruce Arthur.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:54 am
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Chris said the tournament was going to be in December back in May. I agree it was baffling that the tournament date wasn't "officially" announced sooner since I knew enough about it that I had agreed to mirror it on December 3rd and I'm pretty sure it was already listed as such in those calendars Andrew Hart had put together, but it has been publicly claimed for a December date for a lot longer than this after semester started.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:59 am
by Important Bird Area
Matt Weiner wrote:no SCT sites are announced even though they're all going to be at the ACUI hosts that were designated over a year ago anyway


This sentence is entirely misleading.

1. We do not expect "all" of our SCT hosts to be ACUI-affiliated (you can see here that of the nine SCT bids so far received, only three of them come from ACUI hosts.)

2. We haven't announced any sites yet because the bid deadline hasn't expired yet. (It's tonight at midnight, but because we only have nine bids and some of those overlap, I expect to be emailing potential host schools and/or posting an additional call for hosts on this board next week.) Note that pushing the SCT-announcement schedule back (bid deadline late September, NAQT makes decisions in October, announcements around November 1) was a direct response to feedback from this forum.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:27 pm
by Ike
For what it's worth, I think GAAP and MUT are basically the same tournament now.
They are. Also, I had planned for Illinois Open 2012 to not take place in the springtime due to this. I'm currently planning for its completion and thus playability in the summertime. Sorry for the lack of any communication.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:42 pm
by nurgles_herald
Penn State (read: me personally) is interested, but not sure about funding. The university is a bit of a dick when it comes to funding student activities, and paying a bunch of money so the little 'uns can get killed seems sub-optimal. I'll let you know what the deal is once I've talked to the treasurer.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:35 am
by Cheynem
Any word on mirrors? The main date of this tournament is during our winter break, which isn't a big deal but requires a little heads-up in terms of travel.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:16 pm
by DumbJaques
So far, we've got mirrors at Illinois, Missouri, and Buffalo. I expect all those sites to have announcements up soon.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:24 pm
by MathMusic
Buffalo's mirror date will probably be 1/21 instead of 1/14.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:03 pm
by Matt Weiner
I'm considering playing this tournament with VCU, but I wouldn't want to do so if there aren't any other wizened players participating. Can Jonathan, Jerry, et al give some sort of appraisal as to their chances of playing this event?

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:47 pm
by gyre and gimble
Dallas, Ted, and I are planning to play this tournament.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:25 pm
by Ondes Martenot
Doug Yetman and I are teaming up for this. Other free agents are welcome to join us

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:28 am
by DumbJaques
The field has been updated, and looks to be pretty awesome. I'll add that I'm still seeking Southern, West Coast, Northeast, and perhaps other mirrors for the tournament.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:21 am
by Mike Bentley
If Stanford or Berkeley hosted this tournament I'd try to get a team of Seattle people down to play it.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:30 am
by Auroni
Mike Bentley wrote:If Stanford or Berkeley hosted this tournament I'd try to get a team of Seattle people down to play it.
If this happened, we'd go up as well.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:46 am
by The King's Flight to the Scots
Yeah we're bringing a team to this.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:54 am
by pray for elves
I'm a free agent for this right now and I intend to play.

EDIT: Looks like I'm joining Jerry.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:27 am
by Cody
VCU is also bringing one team to this.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:05 pm
by Important Bird Area
Mike Bentley wrote:If Stanford or Berkeley hosted this tournament I'd try to get a team of Seattle people down to play it.
It is near-certain that we would not be able to get rooms on 1/14 (last weekend of our winter break). Let's ask Stanford.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:37 pm
by Sima Guang Hater
Hilarius Bookbinder wrote:I'm a free agent for this right now and I intend to play.

EDIT: Looks like I'm joining Jerry.
HEY BREAKING SUPERTEAM RULE.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:47 pm
by Ondes Martenot
I should note that if a northeast mirror materializes, I will probably attend that instead.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:11 pm
by MathMusic
Ondes Martenot wrote:I should note that if a northeast mirror materializes, I will probably attend that instead.
There will be a mirror in Buffalo, you're welcome to come even if it is a bit of a drive.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:53 pm
by magin
I plan on playing.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:58 pm
by DumbJaques
I believe a Northeast mirror at Yale will be announced shortly. I'm still very much hoping to find mirror sites in the South and on the West Coast.

Also, if you told me about your plans for playing this event at MO yesterday, I don't really remember the specifics, so make sure you register via email/post.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:35 pm
by grapesmoker
Matt Weiner wrote:I'm considering playing this tournament with VCU, but I wouldn't want to do so if there aren't any other wizened players participating. Can Jonathan, Jerry, et al give some sort of appraisal as to their chances of playing this event?
Saw this late, but I would say I'm pretty much set to play this thing. My team currently includes Evan Nagler; we'll be trying to pick up Andrew Lim if he's available, and our fourth is probably going to be a friend of mine from Pittsburgh who played a little bit in college.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:33 pm
by Magister Ludi
Are you keeping these packet deadlines with the last deadline a whole month the tournament or would you consider pushing them back a week or so? It just seems like teams haven't even been fully formed for this event yet.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:08 am
by TheHumanPaperweight
Despite my misgivings at facing a field of this caliber and my literal zero writing experience, the phrases "not excessive difficulty" and "open" sound too good to pass up, so I would like to go for free-agent status here.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:08 pm
by DumbJaques
Despite my misgivings at facing a field of this caliber and my literal zero writing experience, the phrases "not excessive difficulty" and "open" sound too good to pass up, so I would like to go for free-agent status here.
I'm glad to hear it - the whole point of this event is to appeal to players in any boat, including yours. If you (or anyone else) has concerns about writing/etc., I certainly encourage you to email me.

If other people are concerned about the field caliber, I'd like to emphasize that the reason a lot of the top teams have already registered is in many cases because they're required to write packets. A lot of teams with more limited experience have no need to plan their trips in advance of the submission schedule, but I fully expect a number of them to be in attendance.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:14 pm
by DumbJaques
As I've gotten a few queries about this, I just want to emphasize: You DO NOT have to write a packet if you'd be packet-exempt under normal ACF requirements. This is mentioned in the announcement, but not clearly enough. As my entire goal with this tournament is to have an open event that regular teams are would feel fine attending, I really hope those circuit teams will be there, or the effort will be partially moot.

If teams are in situations where only one or two of their players would have to write and there's not much writing experience there, please email me and we'll figure something out. I want people to be able to play this tournament.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:54 pm
by Smuttynose Island
Out of curiosity, did you receive my team's packet?

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:03 pm
by Papa's in the House
Smuttynose Island wrote:Out of curiosity, did you receive my team's packet?
Better yet, can you post a list of the packets you've received and the discounts/penalties owed? I'd appreciate it.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:14 pm
by DumbJaques
Here's a general update on BARGE at this and other sites:

-I'm currently in pretty good shape in terms of packets, if everyone who's still working on their stuff comes through. That means that if you'd written off attending this tournament because of packet-writing reasons, you should definitely email me because I'd like you to be there. This goes for this and the Illinois site (and obviously, any other sites that don't have packet requirements).

-We've already got a few mid-level teams (to which we'll probably add Maryland B/Maryland C), so I really hope local programs will rethink their decision not to attend this tournament because of the field or whatever. We've even got some teams consisting mainly of new players. I anticipate this tournament having a very diverse field, and plan on giving people a high number of games vs. like competition.

-Per request, I'm adding a packets received/expected list to the initial announcement post. If you're on there but aren't working on a packet/are working on one but aren't on there, better let me know ASAP.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:45 am
by DumbJaques
Update:

I'm expecting to have 12 packets for this - I'm going to try for 13, but if things get dicey with outstanding submission, that may not be possible. Speaking of which, everything should have been submitted by now with the exception of Jerry and Penn. . . if anyone else is still writing a packet, for the love of god, let me know about it!

As far as the Maryland site goes, we're at a pretty vexing field size (10, not counting house teams). Six packets were written by teams at our site, though I'm not even sure that's a particularly limiting factor. I guess I'll open the floor up to the scheduling wizards on suggested alternatives to a straight round robin with byes (and 11 teams), but I'm not seeing many.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:59 am
by The King's Flight to the Scots
DumbJaques wrote:Update:

I'm expecting to have 12 packets for this - I'm going to try for 13, but if things get dicey with outstanding submission, that may not be possible. Speaking of which, everything should have been submitted by now with the exception of Jerry and Penn. . . if anyone else is still writing a packet, for the love of god, let me know about it!

As far as the Maryland site goes, we're at a pretty vexing field size (10, not counting house teams). Six packets were written by teams at our site, though I'm not even sure that's a particularly limiting factor. I guess I'll open the floor up to the scheduling wizards on suggested alternatives to a straight round robin with byes (and 11 teams), but I'm not seeing many.
So would this mean no advantaged final, or what?

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:17 am
by DumbJaques
Not if I get to 13 packets, which I'm aiming to do. I'm not sure what the alternative would be anyway, so I guess I'd better figure out a way to do it.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:00 am
by Smuttynose Island
DumbJaques wrote:Not if I get to 13 packets, which I'm aiming to do. I'm not sure what the alternative would be anyway, so I guess I'd better figure out a way to do it.
Would it be possible for you to write a packet yourself, possibly with the help of experienced players who are not playing BARGE? That way you don't have to rely on the submission of a thirteenth packet.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:24 am
by DumbJaques
Would it be possible for you to write a packet yourself, possibly with the help of experienced players who are not playing BARGE? That way you don't have to rely on the submission of a thirteenth packet.
That's not really the situation - it's more an issue of not having the time to finish the full thirteen in a satisfactory way should the final few packets prove seriously flawed. I think I should be able to manage it though, but I wouldn't turn away any free question submissions (if you have some group of charitable "experience players" waiting at your beckon call or anything).

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:52 am
by Rufous-capped Thornbill
Just curious, are you planning on using powers?

EDIT: wording.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:50 am
by silverscreentest
Will this tournament and TERP be in Jimenez Hall as usual?

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:14 pm
by DumbJaques
BARGE will run in Jimenez Hall - we'll meet in the basement room 0105 (AKA the usual spot), with registration beginning at 8:15 and rounds starting as close to 9 as possible. I'd like teams to be there by 8:45. As mentioned earlier in the thread, we'll be running a full round robin with advantaged finals as dictated. Should any finals take place, packets and rooms will be made available for placement games for any teams that want to stick around.

I suspect this info will be similar for TERP, but you should see that thread for details.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:48 pm
by The Schopenhauer Power Hour
We are still looking for a couple of teams for TERP this Sunday, the day after BARGE (and also at UMD.) The tournament announcement can be found here; if you're interested, feel free to shoot me an email at logan.anbinder@gmail.com.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:59 pm
by DumbJaques
Hey, so Delaware and Pitt have dropped from the field, leaving us with 8 non-house teams. I will probably just fall back and spreading the house teams thin and sending our freshmen into the gaping maw of oblivion to maintain the schedule as is, but I'll entertain other ideas if people have them. The other option I can think of is doing full rr of 9 teams, breaking into 4-4-1 (odd man out scrimmages/house team drops/etc.) and playing playoff rr of 3 rounds. This leaves us with just a single finals packet but then again, that's less of a problem if you've played everyone twice. Teams who give a shit should let me know which they'd prefer.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:13 am
by Cody
If we have 8 non-house teams, how about we just do 8 team RR (7 rounds) + 4-4 playoff split (3 rounds) = 10 rounds + tiebreaker packet + two packets for an advantaged final.

Re: DATE CHANGE: BARGE at Maryland (1/14/12)

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:57 am
by Papa's in the House
SirT wrote:If we have 8 non-house teams, how about we just do 8 team RR (7 rounds) + 4-4 playoff split (3 rounds) = 10 rounds + tiebreaker packet + two packets for an advantaged final.
Packet submissions make this impossible.