ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
This is the announcement for ANFORTAS, an eight round, all tossup mythology tournament produced by me. It will be played after KABO, probably Saturday.
Difficulty: Most of the answer lines are gettable at the end by someone with a middling knowledge of all mythologies. Almost every tossup can be answered by those who are more knowledgeable. Each tossup will be approximately 6 lines TNR 10 long, although the font may be different.
Cost to play: Free. If you want to mirror it, that would be great.
Distribution:
10 Greco-Roman
2 Norse
2 Hindu + Vedic
3 Arthurian / Welsh / Celtic blah
1 Mesoamerican
1 Egyptian
1 African / Japanese / Chinese / Polynesian / Native American / Basque / Ainu / Korean / Zulu / pick your favorite mythology that only has a few anthropological inscriptions to go on.
.5 Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
.5 Finnish + Russian + marginalized European traditions
1 popular legends, folklore, cryptids or literature / art inspired by mythology, or perhaps mythography in general.
That adds up to 22 questions per a packet.
A note on philosophy: This tournament is not about getting points because you happened to have looked up something from http://www.theoi.com/ , read the Wikipedia article, or have seen it come up on old packets before. I’m not saying that doing any of the above will not help you get early buzzes, but its more about getting points from having read primary texts. This tournament thus uses early clues drawn from sources like The Iliad, as opposed to alternate stories about deities recorded in fragments of poetry by obscure poets.
Other notes: I don't worry about such things, we'll wing it as we go along at KABO. If there is demand for this to be held elsewhere as well - post here and I'll accommodate.
Difficulty: Most of the answer lines are gettable at the end by someone with a middling knowledge of all mythologies. Almost every tossup can be answered by those who are more knowledgeable. Each tossup will be approximately 6 lines TNR 10 long, although the font may be different.
Cost to play: Free. If you want to mirror it, that would be great.
Distribution:
10 Greco-Roman
2 Norse
2 Hindu + Vedic
3 Arthurian / Welsh / Celtic blah
1 Mesoamerican
1 Egyptian
1 African / Japanese / Chinese / Polynesian / Native American / Basque / Ainu / Korean / Zulu / pick your favorite mythology that only has a few anthropological inscriptions to go on.
.5 Sumerian, Babylonian, etc.
.5 Finnish + Russian + marginalized European traditions
1 popular legends, folklore, cryptids or literature / art inspired by mythology, or perhaps mythography in general.
That adds up to 22 questions per a packet.
A note on philosophy: This tournament is not about getting points because you happened to have looked up something from http://www.theoi.com/ , read the Wikipedia article, or have seen it come up on old packets before. I’m not saying that doing any of the above will not help you get early buzzes, but its more about getting points from having read primary texts. This tournament thus uses early clues drawn from sources like The Iliad, as opposed to alternate stories about deities recorded in fragments of poetry by obscure poets.
Other notes: I don't worry about such things, we'll wing it as we go along at KABO. If there is demand for this to be held elsewhere as well - post here and I'll accommodate.
Ike
UIUC 13
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
One more thing: There are probably some well-intentioned people who are about to ask can I handle writing this tournament and Illinois's Fall Tournament. I would answer "Yes." because this tournament's 176 questions have already been written and put into packets: if I wanted to, I could mirror this tournament tomorrow.
Thanks,
Ike
Thanks,
Ike
Ike
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Despite the appallingly small amount of monster questions, I look forward to this tournament.
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
"You killed HSAPQ"--Matt Bollinger
Formerly U of Minnesota
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Ike wrote:One more thing: There are probably some well-intentioned people who are about to ask can I handle writing this tournament and Illinois's Fall Tournament. I would answer "Yes." because this tournament's 176 questions have already been written and put into packets: if I wanted to, I could mirror this tournament tomorrow.
Thanks,
Ike
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
While I am delighted to play this tournament, you are aware that theoi is almost entirely sourced from primary texts, and that a source like Pseudo-Apollodorus or even Hyginus is no less "primary" than the Iliad, right?
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Pfft, "the Iliad". Ike will only be using PRIMARY texts. You know, texts written by gods.Ukonvasara wrote:While I am delighted to play this tournament, you are aware that theoi is almost entirely sourced from primary texts, and that a source like Pseudo-Apollodorus or even Hyginus is no less "primary" than the Iliad, right?
Susan
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Talked to the Oracle at Delphi, got some help with the answers. See you all at this.
Fred Morlan
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I demand that this be held at the UMD mirror of KABO.Ike wrote:If there is demand for this to be held elsewhere as well - post here and I'll accommodate.
-Seth
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Now I have to come to this.setht wrote:I demand that this be held at the UMD mirror of KABO.Ike wrote:If there is demand for this to be held elsewhere as well - post here and I'll accommodate.
-Seth
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
http://www.psychicfriends.net/blog/arch ... etics1.jpgSusan wrote:Pfft, "the Iliad". Ike will only be using PRIMARY texts. You know, texts written by gods.Ukonvasara wrote:While I am delighted to play this tournament, you are aware that theoi is almost entirely sourced from primary texts, and that a source like Pseudo-Apollodorus or even Hyginus is no less "primary" than the Iliad, right?
*fingers crossed
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'm in. What will the tournament format be like? Will it depend on the number of people who sign up, or has it been decided to be singles/doubles/quads/something else?
Jasper Lee
University of Tennessee Health Science Center '21
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'll be playing this.
Charles Hang
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Fun Mike Cheyne packets on this particular topic would be a great thrill. I hope you do write one sometime.Despite the appallingly small amount of monster questions, I look forward to this tournament.
Yes I am. My main point is to not primarily reward "truly trivial details" from what I considered to be second-tier primary sources. Sources that I considered tier-one I don't mind testing as if people can know more details about. Obviously Homer and Snorri belong in this tier. I also consider the two authors you mentioned as tier one as well for a variety of reasons, one of which is that they exist in a nice volume which are used by a lot of undergraduates. But going out and reading Ptolemy Hephaistion isn't a good idea if you want points, (at least at this tournament...) However, key events from those tier-2 works are fair game.While I am delighted to play this tournament, you are aware that theoi is almost entirely sourced from primary texts, and that a source like Pseudo-Apollodorus or even Hyginus is no less "primary" than the Iliad, right?
Done.setht wrote:I demand that this be held at the UMD mirror of KABO.Ike wrote:If there is demand for this to be held elsewhere as well - post here and I'll accommodate.
-Seth
I'm leaning towards doubles, but I personally don't care. The only thing though is that there will be no draft, as playing poodle dee poodle doo is a colossal waste of time. If you're the type of person who needs to know what teammate they'll be playing with, I'll say doubles for now. Obviously this is only at the Michigan site. Chris, or whoever is running the show over at UMD can do whatever tournament format they find appropriate. All 22 tossups will be read per round, and I'll throw in some of the leftovers I have lying around as tiebreakers.Alliance in the Alps wrote:I'm in. What will the tournament format be like? Will it depend on the number of people who sign up, or has it been decided to be singles/doubles/quads/something else?
Ike
UIUC 13
UIUC 13
Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
YESSSS, THE RETURN OF POODLE DEE POODLE DOO
On a more important note, if I have time I will write some monster packets, although my problem is that when I research this topic I get scared and have trouble sleeping.
On a more important note, if I have time I will write some monster packets, although my problem is that when I research this topic I get scared and have trouble sleeping.
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
"You killed HSAPQ"--Matt Bollinger
Formerly U of Minnesota
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Toss up the demons that invade your dreams? Not even Rob Carson could get those!Cheynem wrote:YESSSS, THE RETURN OF POODLE DEE POODLE DOO
On a more important note, if I have time, I will write some monster packets, although I find when I start to research this topic, I get very scared and have trouble sleeping.
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Matt Messana wishes to play this. I can staff.
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
What if one of the demons was Rob Carson?dtaylor4 wrote:Toss up the demons that invade your dreams? Not even Rob Carson could get those!Cheynem wrote:YESSSS, THE RETURN OF POODLE DEE POODLE DOO
On a more important note, if I have time, I will write some monster packets, although I find when I start to research this topic, I get very scared and have trouble sleeping.
Joe
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
No, Joe. You are the demonsBlack-throated Antshrike wrote:What if one of the demons was Rob Carson?dtaylor4 wrote:Toss up the demons that invade your dreams? Not even Rob Carson could get those!Cheynem wrote:YESSSS, THE RETURN OF POODLE DEE POODLE DOO
On a more important note, if I have time, I will write some monster packets, although I find when I start to research this topic, I get very scared and have trouble sleeping.
Rob Carson
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
you can write a tossup on me ike that's like legit quizbowl mythUkonvasara wrote:No, Joe. You are the demonsBlack-throated Antshrike wrote:What if one of the demons was Rob Carson?dtaylor4 wrote:Toss up the demons that invade your dreams? Not even Rob Carson could get those!Cheynem wrote:YESSSS, THE RETURN OF POODLE DEE POODLE DOO
On a more important note, if I have time, I will write some monster packets, although I find when I start to research this topic, I get very scared and have trouble sleeping.
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'll play this.
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Left here since birth...forgotten in the river of time...I've had an eternity to...ponder the meaning of things...and now I have an answer!
I am pure energy...and as ancient as the cosmos. Feeble creatures, GO!
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I guess I'll be playing this.
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'm playing this.
If we're running it as doubles, you should team up with me if you want a teammate who can occasionally answer questions about Hinduism, Japan, and cryptids.
If we're running it as doubles, you should team up with me if you want a teammate who can occasionally answer questions about Hinduism, Japan, and cryptids.
Ashvin Srivatsa
Corporate drone '?? | Yale University '14 | Sycamore High School (OH) '10
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I've emailed this to Mike Bentley for the UMD site and the address provided by the Canadian site. If someone else needs the set to run the tournaments, email me now, or post here.
FWIW, each round now contains 25 questions and a tiebreaker.
Happy buzzing everyone.
Ike
FWIW, each round now contains 25 questions and a tiebreaker.
Happy buzzing everyone.
Ike
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
This was fun! Thanks for writing this, Ike.
Jasper Lee
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I had a great time playing this. Thanks for writing the set, Ike!
-Seth
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'm not very good at myth but this seemed pretty entertaining, accessible, and restrained. It was also a real thrill to play with the inimitable R. Westbrook.
Mike Cheyne
Formerly U of Minnesota
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Thanks everyone. I'm going to create a private discussion thread within KABO if people are interested in criticizing things.
Ike
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Hey Ike, were you planning on posting stats for this from the Ann Arbor site?
Jarret Greene
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Ike explains what happened to the scoresheets in the KABO discussion thread, FYI.
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I'm hoping to get a mirror of this somewhere in the Northeast so if you're interested in playing please refrain from reading the discussion in the KABO private forum.
Stephen Liu
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
I have a bunch of scoresheets for this and will input them tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.Inkana7 wrote:Hey Ike, were you planning on posting stats for this from the Ann Arbor site?
Libo
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
DOUBLE POST:
Also, stats for ANFORTAS held at UMich: http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... stats/all/
If there's any errors (which there might be a lot of as a lot of the scoresheets were quite disorganized), feel free to post here or message me or contact me however and I'll fix it.
Also, stats for ANFORTAS held at UMich: http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... stats/all/
If there's any errors (which there might be a lot of as a lot of the scoresheets were quite disorganized), feel free to post here or message me or contact me however and I'll fix it.
Libo
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Hey Ike,
I was wondering if it would be okay to have an informal mirror of your myth tournament this weekend at the Valencia mirror of KABO. If so, could you please send me the packets? Thanks!
I was wondering if it would be okay to have an informal mirror of your myth tournament this weekend at the Valencia mirror of KABO. If so, could you please send me the packets? Thanks!
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Re: ANFORTAS - Myth Tournament
Stats from MIT: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13594#p250776
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Stanford '17
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