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ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by gyre and gimble » Wed Oct 03, 2012 4:49 am

Harvard will be hosting ACF Fall for New England and the Northeast this year, on November 3rd. To register for the tournament, email Tournament Director Graham Moyer at gmoyer01@NOSPAMcollege.harvard.edu AND ALSO fill out this form. Make sure to include how many buzzers and staffers you can bring.

This is a packet-submission event, so please check with the guidelines posted here: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13156 to see what is required of your team in terms of question writing. If you do need to write a packet (someone on your team's played a collegiate tournament prior to September 1, 2011, regardless of whether he/she is in high school or college) you should be aware of the upcoming deadlines, discounts, and penalties:

October 7, 2012: No penalty (-$25 for teams not required to submit packets)
October 14, 2012: +$25
October 21, 2012: +$50
After Oct. 21, 2012: The editors may grant one or more 24-hour extensions at an additional penalty of $10 per day.

We'll have more information regarding location and time as the tournament approaches.

Here is our site's fee schedule:

Fees:

$120 base fee per team
-$5 buzzer discount (per buzzer set)
-$10 staffer discount
-$10 per 200 miles traveled, one-way
-$25 if this is your team's first ACF tournament
-$100 if your team is new to quizbowl (this includes the new-to-ACF discount)
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Chimango Caracara » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:59 pm

Dartmouth should have three teams. We'll update you as the date approaches.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by nimit » Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:51 pm

RPI wil have at least one team, and one buzzer system. We'll update you closer to the date whether we'll have a second team.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by grapesmoker » Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:42 pm

Could you guys post a field update please?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by TheKingInYellow » Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:23 pm

FIELD as of 10/13

Teams: 27

2 Columbia
1 Hanover High School
1 UConn
4 Dartmouth
2 RPI
3 Yale
2 Amherst
2 Cornell
1 Brown
1 Wellesley
3 MIT
1 Harvard
1 "Not Hunter"
1 Kellenberg
1 Middlebury
1 Princeton
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:03 am

Middlebury is interested in attending, assuming we can work out transportation. When will a start time be announced?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by gyre and gimble » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:44 pm

We'll try to start by 9:30.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by TheKingInYellow » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:47 pm

Hey, so we're changing our discount policy to be in line with ACF's official standards. That means -$10 for a moderator and -$10/200 miles, rather than -5$/100 miles.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:46 am

We would be able to register as an Undergrad and Division II as long as all of our players are either in their first two years of college or their first two years of quizbowl, right?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Susan » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:41 am

delber6 wrote:We would be able to register as an Undergrad and Division II as long as all of our players are either in their first two years of college or their first two years of quizbowl, right?
Yes. In case anyone's curious about the general case, to be an undergrad team, all of your players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2008-2009 academic year. and/or must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2009. Also, if you've been awarded a BA or equivalent degree during the 2011-2012 academic year or earlier, you cannot play as an undergrad. To qualify as a Division II team, all players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2010-2011 academic year and/or must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2011, AND they must never have played at ACF Nationals.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by ryanrosenberg » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:10 pm

Susan wrote:
delber6 wrote:We would be able to register as an Undergrad and Division II as long as all of our players are either in their first two years of college or their first two years of quizbowl, right?
Yes. In case anyone's curious about the general case, to be an undergrad team, all of your players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2008-2009 academic year. and must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2009. Also, if you've been awarded a BA or equivalent degree during the 2011-2012 academic year or earlier, you cannot play as an undergrad. To qualify as a Division II team, all players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2010-2011 academic year and must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2011, AND they must never have played at ACF Nationals.
This seems to be saying two different things. What about the case of someone who played a college tournament while in high school (before September 2011) but is in their first two years of college? The affirmative answer to David's question, as well as the eligibility rules for ACF Nationals last year, would seem to indicate that they would be eligible for Division II, but "all players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2010-2011 academic year and must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2011" would rule any team containing that player ineligible.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Susan » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:05 pm

Sorry for rendering that extremely confusing by leaving out key "and/or"s. I've edited my message above--is this clearer now?

(The answer to David's question remains "yes".)
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by warpoet » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:39 pm

NYU will likely be sending 1-2 teams and 1 buzzer system (plus maybe even a moderator)- actual registration and more specific information should come before next week...
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by t-bar » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:46 pm

MIT will have at least two teams. We will have definite information for both you and the central registration system by the end of this week.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:44 pm

Thank you for your help. I will try to have our plans finalized as soon as possible.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by grapesmoker » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:44 pm

delber6 wrote:Thank you for your help. I will try to have our plans finalized as soon as possible.
Please don't forget to register!
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:09 pm

Yale has just registered three teams in both ways. We also plan to bring two buzzers and one staffer.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Lightly Seared on the Reality Grill » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Stony Brook is now moving into "interested" territory.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Susan » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:27 am

Susan wrote:
delber6 wrote:We would be able to register as an Undergrad and Division II as long as all of our players are either in their first two years of college or their first two years of quizbowl, right?
Yes. In case anyone's curious about the general case, to be an undergrad team, all of your players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2008-2009 academic year. and/or must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2009. Also, if you've been awarded a BA or equivalent degree during the 2011-2012 academic year or earlier, you cannot play as an undergrad. To qualify as a Division II team, all players must have graduated from HS no earlier than the 2010-2011 academic year and/or must not have played any collegiate academic tournaments before September 2011, AND they must never have played at ACF Nationals.
Please note that ACF has just updated their definitions of Undergrad and Division II. At ACF Fall and Regionals, any player who meets ACF's definition of “Undergraduate” and has never played ACF Nationals will be considered Division II-eligible.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by SunWukong » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:02 am

I've tried twice to send an E-mail to the E-mail address specified in the first post, but have twice received an error message. The message I attempted to send is the following:
Brown will be sending one team to the Harvard Mirror of ACF Fall. We have just submitted our packet and will be registering with ACF shortly (once I figure out where I want the invoice sent). We will have neither staffers nor buzzers, but are eligible for undergrad/DII titles.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by nimit » Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:13 pm

I've tried twice to send an E-mail to the E-mail address specified in the first post, but have twice received an error message.
Daniel, remove the NOSPAM from the address. I think that was done to dissuade bots from posting to the address.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:57 am

I have filled out the form and emailed Graham in order to register Middlebury. We will be bringing one team and no buzzer system or staffer. Is there some way that our registration can be confirmed before I send the check?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by nimit » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:42 pm

RPI will have 2 teams. We just confirmation of our B team. I've filled in the registration form.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by TheKingInYellow » Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:38 pm

We're going to cap the field at 28 (30 if we're really lucky/people bring more staffers) so there are only 2 slots left!
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Sat Oct 27, 2012 2:16 pm

What about Middlebury?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by BroNi » Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:53 pm

You have Kellenberg listed in your field twice. We are bringing only 1 team.

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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by grapesmoker » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:34 pm

SunWukong wrote:I've tried twice to send an E-mail to the E-mail address specified in the first post, but have twice received an error message. The message I attempted to send is the following:
Brown will be sending one team to the Harvard Mirror of ACF Fall. We have just submitted our packet and will be registering with ACF shortly (once I figure out where I want the invoice sent). We will have neither staffers nor buzzers, but are eligible for undergrad/DII titles.
I'm still waiting for that registration.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by SunWukong » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:01 pm

I E-mailed Guy a week ago, asking about the procedure for paying for things, where I should have the physical invoice sent, etc. but he hasn't gotten back to me and hasn't been in practice all week. Sorry about the delay in registration (I've just requested it sent my mailbox and will track down people who know these things to get it sorted).
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by delber6 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:54 pm

When will information about times/location become available?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by TheKingInYellow » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:57 pm

The tournament will begin at 9 in Sever Hall. All teams should arrive BEFORE 8:45. Also schedules might be in flux--NYU had to drop out b/c of the hurricane and it's possible other New York teams will face the same problems, so please be very punctual so we can figure out the exact schedule we'll be using as soon as possible
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by dolphin » Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:31 pm

NYU had to drop out b/c of the hurricane and it's possible other New York teams will face the same problems
Megabus is running, so Columbia's two teams will be there.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Excelsior (smack) » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:56 am

Eleventh-hour travel shenanigans are most likely going to require Yale to drop to two teams, as I have already informed Graham by email.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:02 am

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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by gyre and gimble » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:41 pm

Columbia B went undefeated and probably won all of the titles. Stats will be up soon.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:12 pm

Now that HFT is written and hosted (with its stats up) and it's been a full week, will we see full stats from this event?
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by gyre and gimble » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:53 pm

Yeah, sorry we got caught up with HFT. We'll work on getting the stats up now. Prelim stats are already up, by the way, and everything should have been up the day of the tournament but SQBS crashed in the middle of the playoffs, then a staffer left so our statsperson had to read...and then a week went by.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Adventure Temple Trail » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:17 am

Two weeks; now that HFT has been over for a while and Game weekend is over, it'd be nice to see how my teams did at this event. Though I may just be looking and not finding the full results.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by gyre and gimble » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:46 pm

Sorry, we got these done on Monday but I guess they were never uploaded. Our statsperson is doing that right now so they'll be up in a few minutes.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by sjmorrison » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:15 pm

Prelims and combined stats are up and can be found on the tournament page here.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:42 pm

gyre and gimble wrote:Columbia B went undefeated and probably won all of the titles. Stats will be up soon.
sjmorrison wrote:Prelims and combined stats are up and can be found on the tournament page here.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by Kouign Amann » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:00 pm

Yeah, those stats are neither correct nor complete. Unless some unannounced score-keeping mistake has since been uncovered, we won that game against Hunter. The "final" against Brown is missing entirely.
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Re: ACF Fall Northeast @ Harvard (11/03/12)

Post by mtimmons » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:19 pm

Rounds 11 and 12 are missing. A couple of those games appear to be in round 0 and bizarrely MIT A's round 11 game against Teen Titans is listed as a round 6 game.
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