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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Skepticism and Animal Feed » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:28 am

I've never understood the Cult of the Supreme Round Robin that infected Chicago Open half a decade ago. Bracketing is good enough to determine the high school and collegiate national champions (all four of them), why isn't it good enough to determine the open champion? Don't give me the argument of "I want to play everybody!" or "I want to see all of the players!". If you are playing Chicago Open, odds are that not only have you played against and seen most of the players on other teams, you've likely gone to the Waffle House or Plato's Diner or Harold's with them at odd hours on multiple, non-consecutive occasions.

Also, now that the UCPD has decided to become a bunch of Little Giulianis, a round robin greatly increases the chances that CO will not be determined by a tossup on some obscure book, but by an officer's knock on the door.

With that rant out of the way, let's all recognize that Matt's only had bad choices in this situation. He could poop on people who signed up late, he could poop on people who submitted late, he could poop on players who were unpopular or less well-known, or he could (arguably) poop on everybody by adopting a sup-par schedule. Whatever he did, somebody would get pooped on, and those people and their allies would be in this thread calling Matt out on it.

Arguably, Matt's decision is the most far-sighted one. The very existence of quizbowl relies on people writing questions and on new players being engaged in the game at high levels. By not favoring new players over the cool kids, and favoring packet writers over non packet writers, Matt is favoring the future of the game. If you care about high-level quizbowl, you should be happy that we are having this problem in the first place. Indeed, if Chicago Open continues to grow at this pace, future editors will have no choice but to make it a shorter, bracketed tournament. Perhaps they’ll even have enough time to institute a potluck.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:07 am

Are there other bracketed schedules that provide some sort of compromise solution? For instance, could we split into 9/10 brackets with 19 teams?
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by grapesmoker » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:21 am

As a member of a team that submitted a packet long ago (shocker!) I have no real stake in this, but I will defend the round robin on the grounds of getting to play everyone. Sure, I see a lot of those people both at tournaments and socially; it's still fun to get to play all of them, something I don't get to do very often. Obviously, priority #1 should be to actually finish the tournament, so if that can't happen unless we bracket, then that's what we should do. But if we can get through a round robin, I would definitely prefer that ceteris paribus.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Nine-Tenths Ideas » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:25 am

I just want to say that idea of a tournament being "For us, by us" and then insinuating it'd be unfair that old vets who didn't submit a packet wouldn't get to play when some folks we've never even HEARD OF would is the exact opposite of what "for us, by us" should be.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by setht » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:23 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:Are there other bracketed schedules that provide some sort of compromise solution? For instance, could we split into 9/10 brackets with 19 teams?
Assuming that every team writes a packet, and that any ties that need to be broken are broken by statistics:

With 18 teams, I think it should work to do prelim brackets of 9 and 9 followed by playoff brackets of 6, 7, and 5. If you do a decent job of bracketing teams and predicting which teams will wind up in the top bracket (and to a lesser extent which teams will wind up in the bottom bracket), you should be able to tack on an additional 3 crossover games for the top bracket using packets written by the field. Worst case scenario, you don't run crossover games, and the top bracket teams play 13 games in 14 rounds, middle bracket gets 14 games in 16 rounds, and bottom bracket gets 12 games in 14 rounds; I'm pretty sure you need only 2 editors' packets for this to work. If things work out well and you do the crossover games for the top bracket on field-written packets, that's 16 games in 17 rounds (same games/rounds as a 17-team round robin but the top-bracket teams all play each other twice), and you still only need 2 editors' packets. There might be some intermediate case where you could pull off the 3 crossover games given 3 or 4 editors' packets. You can always offer 3 crossover games if you have 5 editors' packets.

With 19 teams, I think you can do prelims of 10 and 9 followed by playoff brackets of 6, 6, and 7. Run a round-robin in each of those playoff brackets, then run 3 crossover games in the top and middle brackets. You need only 2 editors' packets for this, and this does not depend at all on predicting which teams will end up in which playoff bracket. Top bracket teams play 17 games in 17 rounds or 16 games in 17 rounds, and play each other twice; middle bracket teams have the same numbers (and also play each other twice); bottom bracket teams play 16 games in 17 rounds or 15 games in 17 rounds.

Assuming I haven't messed something up here, I'm fine with these formats and would rather play one of them and let in more teams than exclude people who want to play just so that we can run a 17-team schedule. If there's some other reason to cap at 17 (rooms, staff, something else), that's another story.

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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:25 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:Are there other bracketed schedules that provide some sort of compromise solution? For instance, could we split into 9/10 brackets with 19 teams?
I talked to Cody about this last night and he said it was a mess; he worked it out again today and it's somewhat less of a mess but still ugly. We should have enough rooms. The drawbacks are that every team is only guaranteed 13 games, teams no longer get to play every other team, and I have to edit 2 more packets I'm not confident I'll be able to complete.

EDIT: Seth basically laid it out.

SECOND EDIT: Cody tells me that Seth's schedule is different. Hold!

TRIPLE EDIT: Cody says that this involves 2 or 3 more packets than I'm realistically able to edit and entails 17 games + 2 significant delays for rebracketing, risking us getting kicked out. That's the downside.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Cody » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:48 pm

Seth - I'm a bit confused by the playoffs for the 19 team schedule (mainly by the top & middle terminology). Are you saying take the top 6 from each bracket, rank them by some metric, and snake seed to get two brackets of six which then play a RR? Then, top/bottom three crossover at the end? If so, my calculations say you need 19 edited packets, 1 editor's packet (for the crossover and the bottom bracket) and 2 finals packets.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by tabstop » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:56 pm

I think the idea is this:
Original brackets of 9/10 play 9RR on packets from bracket A (as they have the bye).
Playoffs are top 3/middle 3/bottom x.
The top two brackets are 5RR, while the bottom is 7RR. The first five rounds use four packets from the bottom group from bracket B and an editor packet.
Now the top two brackets will play the three crossover games using the bracket B packets from the other playoff pool (ie 123 will play on the packets from 456 and vice versa).
The bottom bracket still has two rounds to go in their 7RR which can be played on bracket B packets from the top brackets.
Finals on an editor packet.

(Edit: The idea of the crossover games is to have two matches against your playoff bracket, I guess.)
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The Kid Who Collects Spider-Man » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:57 pm

Though I think that going with one of Seth's schedules and not excluding teams would be the best plan, if the field is going to be capped at 17 teams, the "fairest" (by which I mean most efficient) way of distributing rights to play CO would be to rank teams by how much they value the ability to play CO and to select the top 17 teams on this ranking. A packet race approximates such a ranking, but it is imperfect because people don't have identical values on time, and some people are better at quickly writing questions than other people. One way to improve on the packet race approximation would be to give people the opportunity to buy and sell rights to play CO.

If someone who doesn't care that much about playing the tournament has a seat on a team, he can sell his seat on the team to someone who is willing to pay for it. Similarly, full teams can buy the rights of other full teams. Further, if someone believes that his CO experience would not be complete without being able to play against so-and-so, he can put his money where his mouth is and bundle with so-and-so to buy the right to a seat/team.

While the solution that I have described would not result in an ideal situation, it would be a Pareto improvement on what we currently have.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by No Rules Westbrook » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:00 pm

Do you know what else might make your editing job a lot harder? Not having a packet by the very
capable writing team of Hart, Davis, Gioia, and Sorice.

This is aside from the present question- but, if you had to exclude teans, another much better option would have been to say "you must submit a packet by (insert date) - if I have more than 17 packets as of that date, then Im going to pick the 17 best packets and those teams play." See, now you actually have a rule that maximizes the quality of the tournament, unlike the "everyone race to the inbox" rule.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:04 pm

No Rules Westbrook wrote:Do you know what else might make your editing job a lot harder? Not having a packet by the very
capable writing team of Hart, Davis, Gioia, and Sorice.
No writers are good enough that editing their packet takes negative effort. Try again.
This is aside from the present question- but, if you had to exclude teans, another much better option would have been to say "you must submit a packet by (insert date) - if I have more than 17 packets as of that date, then Im going to pick the 17 best packets and those teams play." See, now you actually have a rule that maximizes the quality of the tournament, unlike the "everyone race to the inbox" rule.
I still don't like the in-crowd dynamics of this rule--but regardless, it's too late now, stop offering suggestions that would have been useful a month ago.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Auroni » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:14 pm

Skepticism and Animal Feed wrote:I've never understood the Cult of the Supreme Round Robin that infected Chicago Open half a decade ago. Bracketing is good enough to determine the high school and collegiate national champions (all four of them), why isn't it good enough to determine the open champion? Don't give me the argument of "I want to play everybody!" or "I want to see all of the players!". If you are playing Chicago Open, odds are that not only have you played against and seen most of the players on other teams, you've likely gone to the Waffle House or Plato's Diner or Harold's with them at odd hours on multiple, non-consecutive occasions.

Also, now that the UCPD has decided to become a bunch of Little Giulianis, a round robin greatly increases the chances that CO will not be determined by a tossup on some obscure book, but by an officer's knock on the door.

With that rant out of the way, let's all recognize that Matt's only had bad choices in this situation. He could poop on people who signed up late, he could poop on people who submitted late, he could poop on players who were unpopular or less well-known, or he could (arguably) poop on everybody by adopting a sup-par schedule. Whatever he did, somebody would get pooped on, and those people and their allies would be in this thread calling Matt out on it.

Arguably, Matt's decision is the most far-sighted one. The very existence of quizbowl relies on people writing questions and on new players being engaged in the game at high levels. By not favoring new players over the cool kids, and favoring packet writers over non packet writers, Matt is favoring the future of the game. If you care about high-level quizbowl, you should be happy that we are having this problem in the first place. Indeed, if Chicago Open continues to grow at this pace, future editors will have no choice but to make it a shorter, bracketed tournament. Perhaps they’ll even have enough time to institute a potluck.
Apart from the Round Robin bit, this post is extremely good and everyone should take it to heart.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by setht » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:28 pm

tabstop wrote:I think the idea is this:
Original brackets of 9/10 play 9RR on packets from bracket A (as they have the bye).
Playoffs are top 3/middle 3/bottom x.
The top two brackets are 5RR, while the bottom is 7RR. The first five rounds use four packets from the bottom group from bracket B and an editor packet.
Now the top two brackets will play the three crossover games using the bracket B packets from the other playoff pool (ie 123 will play on the packets from 456 and vice versa).
The bottom bracket still has two rounds to go in their 7RR which can be played on bracket B packets from the top brackets.
Finals on an editor packet.

(Edit: The idea of the crossover games is to have two matches against your playoff bracket, I guess.)
This is what I was proposing. To spell it out further:

Two prelim brackets (bracket 1: teams 1-10, bracket 2: teams a-i). Play a 9 round round-robin using packets a-i.

For convenience of notation, let's assume that teams are ordered by their finish within prelim bracket, so teams 1-3 are the top 3 teams in bracket 1, teams d-f are the 4th-to-6th-best teams in bracket 2, etc.

Three playoff brackets (top bracket: teams 1-3 and a-c; middle bracket: teams 4-6 and d-f; bottom bracket: teams 7-10 and g-i). Play a round-robin. This requires 5 rounds with no byes for the top and middle brackets, and 7 rounds with 1 bye/round for the bottom bracket. Use packets 7-10 for the first 4 rounds of the round robin, then an editors' packet for the last round of the round robin. Then play crossover matches in the top and middle brackets. This requires 3 more rounds with no byes in those brackets. Use packets 1-3 in the middle bracket, and packets 4-6 in the top bracket (and any one of the packet pairs (1,2), (1,5), (4,2), (4,5) in the bottom bracket).

Then run finals. The worst-case scenario is that teams 1 and 2 are in the finals; in this case, you can use packet 3 for one game of the finals (it's been read to the middle bracket but is blind to teams 1 and 2), then a second editors' packet for a second game if needed. This way, you need at most 2 editors' packets total. If you're worried about people discussing questions between brackets between rounds, you'll need a third editors' packet.

This format has 17 rounds before finals start, so it's the same as the 17-team RR schedule with the addition of one rebracketing after round 9. You need 2 editors' packets, which is also the case for 17-team RR, or 3 (one more than for 17-team RR) if you're worried about reusing a packet from the middle bracket crossover matches as a second finals packet.


If you're worried about time, or if you don't have 3 editors' packets and don't want to reuse a middle bracket crossover packet in the finals, you can cut the crossover matches. The bottom bracket takes 16 rounds to complete, while the top and middle brackets take 14 rounds. Then you run finals and you're done. In this scenario, you don't need any editors' packets. The downside is that each team plays some of its fellow bracket teams twice and others only once, but this may be better than running a beautifully balanced schedule that runs long and gets cut short by UCPD.

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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by setht » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:36 pm

setht wrote:Three playoff brackets (top bracket: teams 1-3 and a-c; middle bracket: teams 4-6 and d-f; bottom bracket: teams 7-10 and g-i). Play a round-robin. This requires 5 rounds with no byes for the top and middle brackets, and 7 rounds with 1 bye/round for the bottom bracket. Use packets 7-10 for the first 4 rounds of the round robin, then an editors' packet for the last round of the round robin.
To clarify: the editors' packet is used in round 5 of the playoffs, which is the last round of the playoff round-robin for the top and middle brackets. It is round 5 of the 7-round round-robin for the bottom bracket. Rounds 6 and 7 of the bottom bracket round-robin can be played on any one of the packet pairs (1,2), (1,5), (4,2), or (4,5).

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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The Ununtiable Twine » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:37 pm

Vernon Lee Bad Marriage, Jr. wrote:stop offering suggestions that would have been useful a month ago.
I believe this basically brings us to the heart of what I believe the actual problem to be. Matt, you are editing a tournament that is full of veterans and tournament directors. If you had the slightest notion that any decision that you made was going to result in some potentially negative side effects, then it might have been the best idea for you to simply ask for suggestions on what to do about the problem. Sure, you'll get some suggestions that you think are good and some suggestions that you think are bad, but at least everything is on the table and you can use your judgment to decide what is best. If you would have asked the community what it thought was best, then perhaps this suggestion would have been useful to you.

EDIT: If you already did this behind the scenes, then of course disregard the comment.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:42 pm

The Ununtiable Twine wrote:
Vernon Lee Bad Marriage, Jr. wrote:stop offering suggestions that would have been useful a month ago.
I believe this basically brings us to the heart of what I believe the actual problem to be. Matt, you are editing a tournament that is full of veterans and tournament directors. If you had the slightest notion that any decision that you made was going to result in some potentially negative side effects, then it might have been the best idea for you to simply ask for suggestions on what to do about the problem. Sure, you'll get some suggestions that you think are good and some suggestions that you think are bad, but at least everything is on the table and you can use your judgment to decide what is best. If you would have asked the community what it thought was best, then perhaps this suggestion would have been useful to you.

EDIT: If you already did this behind the scenes, then of course disregard the comment.
I did ask several people I trust for their advice, and this suggestion would not have been useful to me.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Cheynem » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:46 pm

I feel a little guilty for kicking off the flood of ex post facto complaints in this thread, so I'll reiterate:

The ONLY thing that is fair *now* is to consider expanding the field and perhaps adopting one of the different schedules Seth or whoever has been suggesting. That's it. My intent in posting was to reiterate something that I'm sure Matt himself was aware of--that the way this went down wasn't very optimal and that future TD's of any such tournaments need to be careful--perhaps more formalizing registration and keeping a closer eye on field exigencies.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:51 pm

Cheynem wrote:I feel a little guilty for kicking off the flood of ex post facto complaints in this thread, so I'll reiterate:

The ONLY thing that is fair *now* is to consider expanding the field and perhaps adopting one of the different schedules Seth or whoever has been suggesting. That's it. My intent in posting was to reiterate something that I'm sure Matt himself was aware of--that the way this went down wasn't very optimal and that future TD's of any such tournaments need to be careful--perhaps more formalizing registration and keeping a closer eye on field exigencies.
I agree with this completely. As I said above, it's looking like every tournament from now on is going to have to have email registration--that's not difficult and is kind of obvious in retrospect, but the informal methods I tried this time were a dismal failure.

I'm talking to Katy about Seth's schedule and whether it's workable. I'm not really following the bracketology here but I'm happy to consider it if it's not going to endanger the completion of the set or the tournament.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by No Rules Westbrook » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:01 pm

I have no doubt it was discussed behind the scenes, in the wind tunnel of of the IRC cadre and amongst the next-gen yes men, who know way more than someone like me about how to put a tournament like this together

Seth's schedule wasnt hard to come up with- I:m sure the whiz kids would've happened upon it if they cared to try. Nothing in this conversation convinces me that they cared.

Its completely ridiculous to say that packets by very good writers do not vastly improve the quality of your tournament. Those of us who give some special privileges to certain players don't do it because we think theyre the coolest kids at school- we do it because those players know what the fuck theyre doing, way more than most players, and have proven it many times over
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:59 pm

Jumping in to note that I'm happy to run any schedule maximizing teams that meets the constraints of rooms/available packets/getting kicked out by UCPD - and that I don't yet have a complete staff roster and sincerely hope to prevent moderators from being a constraint as well.

Consider this an invitation for any would-be CO players who don't have packets in to consider moderating?
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by setht » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:10 pm

Vernon Lee Bad Marriage, Jr. wrote:I'm talking to Katy about Seth's schedule and whether it's workable. I'm not really following the bracketology here but I'm happy to consider it if it's not going to endanger the completion of the set or the tournament.
If anything is unclear, or if there are additional constraints (rooms, staff, packets, buzzers, whatever) to be considered, I'm happy to help by email or on here or in IRC or whatever—just let me know.

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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:08 pm

The Sorice team submitted a packet. We are now at 17 teams, and under the current standards the field is full. I'm still going to consider the 19-team option, though I'm going to note that there are vague rumors about teams not wanting to come, so I'm contacting teams to resolve those issues before I expand the field. Thank you for your patience.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:00 pm

This is a reminder that if you want to come to the CO barbecue on Friday night (July 19th), please RSVP to me by email (msteinbaum@gmail.com). We will in face be running the side tournament of British questions thanks to Edmund Dickinson. That will be a three-round, four-team (I hope) round robin, and I'm imagining one of those scenes in Star Wars where the storm-troopers come at Jeff Hoppes one by one, only to be dispatched by his light sabre of knowledge about Britain. So let me know if you're coming to partake of that opportunity.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Edmund » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:06 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote:We will in fact be running the side tournament of British questions thanks to Edmund Dickinson. That will be a three-round, four-team (I hope) round robin, and I'm imagining one of those scenes in Star Wars where the storm-troopers come at Jeff Hoppes one by one, only to be dispatched by his light sabre of knowledge about Britain. So let me know if you're coming to partake of that opportunity.
To flesh this idea out somewhat, I have prepared three packets of 20/20 plus 1/1 spare each of a tentatively named "Wee British Tournament", using the questions written by British authors to adapt the ICT Div II set into the British Student Quiz Championships this year. Time and interest permitting, we could accommodate an informal three-round four-team round robin in which Marshall and Jeff would each play solo as two of the teams.

The approximate distribution is 7/7 History, 4/4 Literature, 4/4 Geography, 2/2 Current Events, 4/4 Trash, spanning British, Irish, and "British interest" topics. I have taken the opportunity to fix typos and to correct questions that have become factually inaccurate in the last two months, but no effort whatsoever has been made to otherwise edit questions to take account of facts like that they are not being read to Britons, that they may be fraudable because they are known to have a particularly British answer, etc.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Cheynem » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:41 pm

Apparently my van is going to be at the BBQ, so I'd like to play this. I can get questions on "Fancy a Jar, Do You?" and "Don't You Go Runnin' Roun to Re Ro"
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:10 pm

LOGISTICS UPDATE:

We'll be meeting in Cobb Hall (map) on Saturday morning. We should have access to the building starting at 8am; plan to arrive then, because we'll keep the kick-off meeting short and begin play at the earliest possible moment. The format will be a full 17-team round robin.

Your friendly staff will be Joe Su on stats, with the Brothers Gauthier (Greg & Paul), Saul Hankin, Brice Russ, Mike Laudermith, David Madden, Jacob O'Rourke, and Bryan Berend moderating. Bye teams are encouraged to moderate or scorekeep to help provide breaks for these folks.

We've got four buzzer systems courtesy of the UChicago team; if you have access to others, please bring them.

Lunch planning is underway in this thread.

See you all soon!
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Matt Weiner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:52 pm

I'd also suggest scheduling lunch for 2 PM in order to help people endure later in the day.
Let me modify this suggestion to "order the food such that it is supposed to arrive at 2, but don't start lunch until after whatever round it actually arrives during." Last year everything ground to a halt at 1:45 and the pizza didn't get there until 2:15. A 15-minute delay in a free lunch shouldn't have upset anyone, but a total of 30 minutes of downtime meant that we could have just played another round.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:I suggest that registration be moved to as early as possible to allow more time to play the tournament. Last year we started at 8:30 AM and tried to run as efficiently as possible but still faced a danger of getting kicked out.
Duly edited. I was accounting for it taking at least a short while for the moderating staff to get organized and set up rooms, but we'll try and multi-thread that as much as possible.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:30 pm

Mike Bentley wrote:
I'd also suggest scheduling lunch for 2 PM in order to help people endure later in the day.
Let me modify this suggestion to "order the food such that it is supposed to arrive at 2, but don't start lunch until after whatever round it actually arrives during." Last year everything ground to a halt at 1:45 and the pizza didn't get there until 2:15. A 15-minute delay in a free lunch shouldn't have upset anyone, but a total of 30 minutes of downtime meant that we could have just played another round.
Did some admin edit this post or something? I didn't post this.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Matt Weiner » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:47 pm

Sorry, I accidentally pressed "edit" instead of "quote" on your post.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Susan » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:38 pm

fleurdelivre wrote:LOGISTICS UPDATE:

We'll be meeting in Cobb Hall (map) on Saturday morning. We should have access to the building starting at 8am; plan to arrive then, because we'll keep the kick-off meeting short and begin play at the earliest possible moment. The format will be a full 17-team round robin.

Your friendly staff will be Joe Su on stats, with the Brothers Gauthier (Greg & Paul), Saul Hankin, Brice Russ, Mike Laudermith, David Madden, Jacob O'Rourke, and Bryan Berend moderating. Bye teams are encouraged to moderate or scorekeep to help provide breaks for these folks.

We've got four buzzer systems courtesy of the UChicago team; if you have access to others, please bring them.

Lunch planning is underway in this thread.

See you all soon!
I will be around Hyde Park in the morning (but only in the morning) and can help moderate if needed. I'd mentioned this to Marshall a few days ago, who said he'd tell Katy, but it occurs to me that Quizbowl Telephone is probably not the most efficient way to get things done.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by jonah » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:03 pm

Susan wrote:I will be around Hyde Park in the morning (but only in the morning) and can help moderate if needed. I'd mentioned this to Marshall a few days ago, who said he'd tell Katy, but it occurs to me that Quizbowl Telephone is probably not the most efficient way to get things done.
Conversely, I can be around in the afternoon/evening if necessary (I'm not sure starting at exactly when, but probably by 2 or so). Call, text, or email me if I'm needed.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by The Bold Ideas of Bernie Sanders (I-VT) » Thu Jul 18, 2013 2:23 am

If anyone cares, I have some homegrown trash I could read during lunch on Saturday or Sunday. More for novelty than anything else.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Great Bustard » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:53 pm

Tees-Exe Line wrote:This is a reminder that if you want to come to the CO barbecue on Friday night (July 19th), please RSVP to me by email (msteinbaum@gmail.com). We will in face be running the side tournament of British questions thanks to Edmund Dickinson. That will be a three-round, four-team (I hope) round robin, and I'm imagining one of those scenes in Star Wars where the storm-troopers come at Jeff Hoppes one by one, only to be dispatched by his light sabre of knowledge about Britain. So let me know if you're coming to partake of that opportunity.
Can someone post as to when and where the barbecue begins, and specifically, when British Bowl begins?
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Tees-Exe Line » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:19 pm

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Tees-Exe Line wrote:This is a reminder that if you want to come to the CO barbecue on Friday night (July 19th), please RSVP to me by email (msteinbaum@gmail.com). We will in face be running the side tournament of British questions thanks to Edmund Dickinson. That will be a three-round, four-team (I hope) round robin, and I'm imagining one of those scenes in Star Wars where the storm-troopers come at Jeff Hoppes one by one, only to be dispatched by his light sabre of knowledge about Britain. So let me know if you're coming to partake of that opportunity.
Can someone post as to when and where the barbecue begins, and specifically, when British Bowl begins?
The barbecue is officially called for 6 PM. I don't know yet when British Bowl will begin, but probably around 8:00-8:30 PM.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Sam » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:25 pm

Maybe a little late to ask, but do any of the people providing food (either for lunch or barbecue) want any sort of monetary reimbursement from those partaking?
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:02 pm

Susan wrote: I will be around Hyde Park in the morning (but only in the morning) and can help moderate if needed. I'd mentioned this to Marshall a few days ago, who said he'd tell Katy, but it occurs to me that Quizbowl Telephone is probably not the most efficient way to get things done.
jonah wrote: Conversely, I can be around in the afternoon/evening if necessary (I'm not sure starting at exactly when, but probably by 2 or so). Call, text, or email me if I'm needed.
We should be adequately staffed, but I never turn down celebrity cameos. If either of you would like to read a round or two, absolutely stop by. Drop me a line at kathryn dot e dot peters at gmail if you need/want additional details.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Habitat_Against_Humanity » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:19 pm

I'm not a celebrity, but I might drop by at lunchtime if anyone wants to pay me in advance for Sunday's trash tournament. Advance payment would be nice to streamline things Sunday morning. Also, one or two more staffers could be a help. I have enough, but having scorekeepers would help a lot, especially if a laptop were to break or something similar.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Great Bustard » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:26 pm

Sam wrote:Maybe a little late to ask, but do any of the people providing food (either for lunch or barbecue) want any sort of monetary reimbursement from those partaking?
Not for me, for lunch on Saturday. NHBB is sponsoring it.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Susan » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:22 pm

fleurdelivre wrote: We should be adequately staffed, but I never turn down celebrity cameos. If either of you would like to read a round or two, absolutely stop by. Drop me a line at kathryn dot e dot peters at gmail if you need/want additional details.
If you guys are adequately staffed, I will spare myself the 6:30AM train and make other plans. Have fun!
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:26 am

After a brief moment of worry when the packets (and editor) were the last remaining bottleneck as of 8:25, we're now one round down as of 9:20am CDT. I'll post updates as possible, but given that I don't yet have access to the uchicago wireless network...
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:38 am

fleurdelivre wrote:After a brief moment of worry when the packets (and editor) were the last remaining bottleneck as of 8:25, we're now one round down as of 9:20am CDT. I'll post updates as possible, but given that I don't yet have access to the uchicago wireless network...
Actually, given that I can't connect via my laptop, more regular updates will almost certainly be on the #chiopen hashtag I've been using on twitter. About to post a scoreboard update photo there.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:45 pm

Lunch should be from 2:10 to 2:50 and round 9 should begin no later than 3:00 pm
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by fleurdelivre » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:32 pm

The Audubon Has No Speed Limit (Seth, Selene, Jeff, and John) cleared the field outright after 17 rounds, precluding the need for a final. Individual stats and complete results to follow shortly.

Thanks to everyone who made running this tournament possible: Joe Su, Paul and Greg Gauthier, Brice Russ, Mike Laudermith, David Madden, Jacob O'Rourke, Saul Hankin, Bryan Berend, Allison (LNU? Sorice, please share my gratitude), and Marshall Steinbaum.
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:35 pm

http://www.hsquizbowl.org/db/tournament ... standings/

Congrats to Jeff, Seth, John, and Selene!
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

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http://tinyurl.com/lbs7pc8 has a recording of Matt Weiner's team vs Rob Carson's team
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Re: Chicago Open 2013 (7/20-21/13)

Post by Periplus of the Erythraean Sea » Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:09 am

Tees-Exe Line wrote:
Standard-winged Nightjar wrote:
Tees-Exe Line wrote:This is a reminder that if you want to come to the CO barbecue on Friday night (July 19th), please RSVP to me by email (msteinbaum@gmail.com). We will in face be running the side tournament of British questions thanks to Edmund Dickinson. That will be a three-round, four-team (I hope) round robin, and I'm imagining one of those scenes in Star Wars where the storm-troopers come at Jeff Hoppes one by one, only to be dispatched by his light sabre of knowledge about Britain. So let me know if you're coming to partake of that opportunity.
Can someone post as to when and where the barbecue begins, and specifically, when British Bowl begins?
The barbecue is officially called for 6 PM. I don't know yet when British Bowl will begin, but probably around 8:00-8:30 PM.
Did this happen? And if it did, could somebody post the questions - I'd love to play them at practice.
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