Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Rufous-capped Thornbill » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:21 am

This was every bit the absurdly hard tournament that was advertised and a truly unique, (mostly) fun experience. Thanks for writing and hosting this, Jerry et al.

Will Nediger, you are absurd.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Excelsior (smack) » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:29 am

100% agree with Jarret on all counts. Many thanks to Jerry and friends for putting this on.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:32 pm

That was fun! Certainly brutal, though.

To a degree, that's to be expected, of course; "really hard, mostly vanity" is what was announced and what was delivered on. I think at times this tournament overreached even on that, which was its major pitfall--there were a not-insignificant number of bad judgement calls on difficulty that resulted in stuff that was incredibly hard even by the standards of the rest of the tournament--but overall I think most people playing it knew what they were getting into and were able to enjoy it for what it was. I was happy to get what I got and, with the possible exception of that Bataan Death March of a final round, consistently enjoyed myself.

Thanks for running it!
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Cheynem » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:42 pm

I imagine there will be a discussion thread but my points are just sort of general enough, so I'll say this here.

There's not a whole lot of point in a tournament like this to quibble about difficulty or topics chosen, so I won't. We all knew it would be super hard and vanity because you told us and it was. I didn't particularly find it that interesting, but then I bet Jerry wouldn't find a tournament I wrote in the same vein to be super interesting either, so that's hardly a complaint.

What I would like to gently suggest to Jerry (or whoever else wrote questions) is to keep an eye on the quizbowlese in the questions. I usually can brush these things off (and maybe it's more noticeable in an online format when you're straining to hear anyway), but it felt like a bit of odd pronoun usage ("This work" a lot, "this technique" for something that isn't a technique), awkward "a man who was a friend of this man" type wording, and overly coy phrasings (when I get the set, I can comment more). I had a harder time following the questions in this set than any set I've played recently and when the questions are already super hard, that's not fun times.

The only other criticism of substance I have is that the bonuses certainly had an inconsistent flavor at times. You would get bonuses with traditional easy parts, bonuses with easy but very coy easy parts (the ones with "voting" and "cities" as the easy part, for example), and bonuses that just laid down the gauntlet and said "You have to kill Mr. Tarkanian to get 10 points." Now, I realize this is bound to happen at super hard tournaments...but it stands out a bit when not much scoring is happening anyway. I'm not sure how if there's really a way to fix this because a lot of it is contingent on certain topics being more known in quizbowl.

EDIT: One thing that I will be a bit reproachful over is that for a tournament announced a while ago and given a bit of a fanfare...why did it seem so unpolished? One of the rounds had 18 questions? We were given like 7-8 rounds and told "more later"? This is unacceptable for a tournament where people travel a great distance to play.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by grapesmoker » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:39 pm

Cheynem wrote:EDIT: One thing that I will be a bit reproachful over is that for a tournament announced a while ago and given a bit of a fanfare...why did it seem so unpolished? One of the rounds had 18 questions? We were given like 7-8 rounds and told "more later"? This is unacceptable for a tournament where people travel a great distance to play.
Mike told me you were unlikely to play more than 7 rounds, and if he had asked, I would have sent him the rest. As for the 18-question round, the short answer is that I fucked up with regard to how much time I thought I had to work on this; I got slammed with a work-related deadline that I didn't anticipate and which basically took two whole weeks out of the time that I had to work on this tournament.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Mewto55555 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:42 am

Siddhant is making me post this because he cares too much about fantasy quizbowl, sorry. One of my tossups was misattributed in game 8 (against the Donetsk Metallurgical Academy) -- I got the tossups on Zweig and feeding people though I don't know who they were given to. This allegedly makes him tie or win so I guess it's a Big Deal.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Louis XIV and Twenty Million Henchmen » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:24 am

Are the packets posted somewhere?
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Ndg » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Mewto55555 wrote:Siddhant is making me post this because he cares too much about fantasy quizbowl, sorry. One of my tossups was misattributed in game 8 (against the Donetsk Metallurgical Academy) -- I got the tossups on Zweig and feeding people though I don't know who they were given to. This allegedly makes him tie or win so I guess it's a Big Deal.
When I entered this game, I actually suspected there might have been a mistake with the scoresheet because some of the point totals seemed to be out of line with what people were getting in other rounds (Michael was given 60 points and Marshall -5). I will look into this and try to fix it later today when I have a chance to look at the scoresheets again.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by Ndg » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:37 pm

Ndg wrote:
Mewto55555 wrote:Siddhant is making me post this because he cares too much about fantasy quizbowl, sorry. One of my tossups was misattributed in game 8 (against the Donetsk Metallurgical Academy) -- I got the tossups on Zweig and feeding people though I don't know who they were given to. This allegedly makes him tie or win so I guess it's a Big Deal.
When I entered this game, I actually suspected there might have been a mistake with the scoresheet because some of the point totals seemed to be out of line with what people were getting in other rounds (Michael was given 60 points and Marshall -5). I will look into this and try to fix it later today when I have a chance to look at the scoresheets again.
I have indulged the fantasy quiz bowlers and fixed this.
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by wd4gdz » Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:52 pm

Distance model wrote:Are the packets posted somewhere?
Will the packets be posted soon?
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Re: Fernando Arrabal Tournament of the Absurd: 11/23/13 @ CMU

Post by grapesmoker » Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:01 pm

wd4gdz wrote:
Distance model wrote:Are the packets posted somewhere?
Will the packets be posted soon?
Sorry, I've been entirely too busy to think about this. If you want a copy, just email me.
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