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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Captain Sinico » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:15 pm

This is at ICT? I'd love to play! Please note that I suck more now, but don't neg any less, so look out for that.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Charbroil » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:33 pm

We will probably have 1+ teams from WUSTL at this.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:54 pm

Charbroil wrote:We will probably have 1+ teams from WUSTL at this.


We aren't going to add any more teams at this point, but you guys are free to join up with other teams. Let me know how many people you actually have so I can see if we should make 4 player teams. (Or we can change the schedule, if someone has a good suggestion about how to do that within the constraints of 4 editors and 5 submitted packets).

Sorry for changing the numbers up-- I didn't really expect a lot of interest in this.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by armitage » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:07 am

Brian, are you aiming to run this Saturday evening after ICT finishes?
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Thu Mar 31, 2016 12:25 am

armitage wrote:Brian, are you aiming to run this Saturday evening after ICT finishes?
That's currently the plan.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Bensonfan23 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:11 am

I definitely want to play this! Please add me to the free agent list as well.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:44 pm

Brian McPeak wrote:(Or we can change the schedule, if someone has a good suggestion about how to do that within the constraints of 4 editors and 5 submitted packets).
14 teams, 2 groups of 7... then a number of crossovers depending on packets. I think this is how the 2014 ICT science side event was done.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by jonpin » Thu Mar 31, 2016 3:58 pm

Brian McPeak wrote:
Charbroil wrote:We will probably have 1+ teams from WUSTL at this.


We aren't going to add any more teams at this point, but you guys are free to join up with other teams. Let me know how many people you actually have so I can see if we should make 4 player teams. (Or we can change the schedule, if someone has a good suggestion about how to do that within the constraints of 4 editors and 5 submitted packets).

Sorry for changing the numbers up-- I didn't really expect a lot of interest in this.
Best idea I can come up with for more teams with still 9 packets would be a 14-team tournament: 2x7 prelims, and then two-round brackets (A1-B2, A2-B1, 1st & 3rd games; A3-B4, A4-B3, 5th & 7th games; A5-B6, A6-B5, 9th & 11th games; A7-B7). This gets everyone 7 or 8 games. Yes, it's a single-elim playoff, but trying to work an advantage final system in a side event with 9 rounds seems like a less good format.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Guile Island » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:40 pm

Rob has joined us, just FYI
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Post by Mewto55555 » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:31 pm

We've been joined by the legendary Chris Ray.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Banned Tiny Toon Adventures Episode » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:53 pm

Mewto55555 wrote:We've been joined by the legendary Chris Ray.
i thought brian was in charge of stopping superteams
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Ike » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:33 am

Black Miao wrote:
Mewto55555 wrote:We've been joined by the legendary Chris Ray.
i thought brian was in charge of stopping superteams
I don't see a superteam here.

Brian this is getting ridiculous, I hope you charge an exorbitant fee for assholes who are trying to freeload off of your tournament by signing up the last minute and not writing a packet. I'm probably going to post about this later, but everything about this model -- not really your tournament in specific, just packet submissions side tournaments like this -- is just terrible. This tournament probably couldn't happen without writers, and I think it would be just nice to punish everyone by forcing them to write things / pay you a fee.

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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Cheynem » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:52 am

Well, I'm pretty sure we are paying a fee as it costs money to play the tournament. I don't get the dogmatic stance here--Brian's a big boy, if he didn't want people playing without writing a packet, he would have made that a requirement. I'm obviously open to teams who didn't write packets paying a little more ($10 per person?). I certainly wasn't trying to freeload of of Brian's hard work, and it's really up to him to decide who plays his set and for how much.

EDIT: I am playing with Ashvin and Victor (and am co-writing a packet too).
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Victor Prieto » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:02 pm

Ike wrote:Brian this is getting ridiculous, I hope you charge an exorbitant fee for assholes cannon fodder who are trying to freeload off of your tournament...
As long as you allow science-less riffraff for competition and keep out the people who actually know science, it's fine by me! Makes it easier to claim the science throne.

Seriously though, as Mike said, it's Brian's thing, not yours. He can do whatever he wants with it. And as Eric said, people should just be responsible about their writing priorities.
Cheynem wrote:EDIT: I am playing with Ashvin and Victor (and am co-writing a half-packet too).
Full disclosure. I'm not going to stop at 12, I'm just going to write as many as I have time for, since I think Brian's going to have his hands full in the final week of editing. If this event turns out to be largely lulzy, then, whatever, big deal. I'm expecting a super submission-driven set anyway. I'm just hoping that at least half of the teams stuck to
Brian McPeak wrote:The average difficulty should be a little lower than nationals but this is a side event-- a few CO/CO+ things are probably okay if they're really cool and you can't write on that any other way but balance them out with more good questions with easy answers.
I didn't write lulzy questions for this, so you can enjoy my packet (perhaps not so much for Ike, since I stuck to my biochemistry side of the science distribution).
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Charbroil » Sun Apr 03, 2016 8:49 pm

Seth Ebner and I are available as free agents for this.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Galadedrid Damodred » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:09 am

What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by not quite » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:25 am

Galadedrid Damodred wrote:What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
Let's use all 24 every round!
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Victor Prieto » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:30 am

not quite wrote:
Galadedrid Damodred wrote:What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
Let's use all 24 every round!
18 tossups on earth science without repeats seems... improbable.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:05 am

Galadedrid Damodred wrote:What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
We will be playing all 24 of each packet.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Fucitol » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:14 am

Victor Prieto wrote:
not quite wrote:
Galadedrid Damodred wrote:What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
Let's use all 24 every round!
18 tossups on earth science without repeats seems... improbable.
I count more than 18 named time divisions on the Geologic time scale Wikipedia page. Seriously though, there are plenty of topics, especially if people get creative with their answer lines. So many subfields to cover too: Mineralogy, Petrology, Glaciology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Vulcanology, Geology... Just a couple from each of those and you can pretty easily not repeat clues or answerlines.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Victor Prieto » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:16 am

Eared Pitta wrote:
Victor Prieto wrote:
not quite wrote:
Galadedrid Damodred wrote:What's the per-20 distribution of each packet, i.e. for which categories will there be fewer questions than in the submission distro?
Let's use all 24 every round!
18 tossups on earth science without repeats seems... improbable.
I count more than 18 named time divisions on the Geologic time scale Wikipedia page. Seriously though, there are plenty of topics, especially if people get creative with their answer lines. So many subfields to cover too: Mineralogy, Petrology, Glaciology, Oceanography, Meteorology, Vulcanology, Geology... Just a couple from each of those and you can pretty easily not repeat clues or answerlines.
Okay, I stand corrected.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Cody » Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:16 pm

Further, VCU Open 2015 had 6/6 Earth Science with no repeats, just split among the fields of "geology / geophysics", "atmospheric", "ocean / coastal", "environmental", and "any". You could probably write 10+ non-repeating tossups just in "geology / geophysics". :)
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by OctagonJoe » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:49 pm

Does this tournament need staff?
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:05 pm

Right now I have 2 Michigan rooms so and 1 Maryland room, so if two more people could let us use their room that would be great. For readers we have Will N, Jacob R, and me, so we need two more of those. If you're willing to read, scorekeep, or let us use your room, post here or tell me tomorrow.

We're going to start tomorrow right after the tournament. I guess there's some award ceremony so as soon as that's over we'll meet in the lobby, I'll tell you your schedule and I'll assign remaining free agents to teams, and then we'll go.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by ThisIsMyUsername » Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:16 pm

I'm willing to staff this in some capacity.
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I'm willing to staff.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Sat Apr 09, 2016 6:30 pm

The schedule will be available here.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:08 am

Mukherjee et al. beat everyone to win this tournament. We'll post the stats tomorrow and I'll set up a private discussion forum because there will be a UK and potentially an online mirror.

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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:54 am

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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Cheynem » Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:15 am

Assuming someone hasn't contacted you yet, you left it in Michigan's room.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Brian McPeak » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:43 am

There's a private discussion forum which you can request to join.
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Re: AVOGADRO'S NUMBER

Post by Galadedrid Damodred » Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:28 pm

This was a lot of fun. Substantive commentary to come in the discussion forum once I look at the set. Many thanks to the editors for putting this together.
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