VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by otsasonr » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:30 pm

I'll be sending an email to teams with logistics either this evening or tomorrow morning, but we are indeed in Sid Smith, in the usual area.

I am not playing GeoMon, so I'll coordinate the packets. Jeff, you can send the packets my way at your earliest convenienve; my email is at the top of the thread. Thanks.

I'm going to veto (ahem) moving BONGOS to Sunday (sorry Nick) because many people will want to be heading home relatively early on Sunday, and BONGOS will take a while. So far, only two people have said they want to play both classical and rock and roll audio, so it may make sense to play them in parallel. If that saddens many people, Joe's proposed schedule probably makes the most sense.
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by Important Bird Area » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:41 pm

otsasonr wrote:I am not playing GeoMon, so I'll coordinate the packets. Jeff, you can send the packets my way
Packets are in your inbox.
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by minusfive » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:58 pm

TheRhymeMinister wrote:I would prefer the rock and roll audio to be on Saturday and the science be moved to Sunday, in order that I can play the rock and not have to play science (I'm also speaking for my teammates Mike and Heather here).
Well, I am in the exact opposite boat: I would like to play the Classical music, but I won't be there on Sunday. Side-events aren't really a good idea on Sunday (everyone's rushing back home): why not keep classical music as the lunch thing and run Rn'R in the evening of Saturday as well as BONGOS? If it only takes 30 minutes, that shouldn't be a hardship.
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:37 am

In order to run classical misuk in a timely fashion, we could play it immediately at the start of lunch, and take up the first 30 mins or so, and then we can grab a quick lunch from the food truck or whatever. We don't have to spend time settling down after lunch. It should be done Saturday lunch; Ming-Ho's leaving at 3pm, and Jordan is only there Saturday.

I suspect rock and roll will be more popular, and because of that, use multiple rooms and take more time with players moving between rooms. (Two pseudorandomly split halves for 30 tossups, then top half and bottom half of each prelim room for ~40 tossups)
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by adosreme » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:04 am

The Last 21 Stanley Cup Winners wrote:In order to run classical misuk in a timely fashion, we could play it immediately at the start of lunch, and take up the first 30 mins or so, and then we can grab a quick lunch from the food truck or whatever. We don't have to spend time settling down after lunch. It should be done Saturday lunch; Ming-Ho's leaving at 3pm, and Jordan is only there Saturday.

I suspect rock and roll will be more popular, and because of that, use multiple rooms and take more time with players moving between rooms. (Two pseudorandomly split halves for 30 tossups, then top half and bottom half of each prelim room for ~40 tossups)
I'd be alright with that.
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Post by otsasonr » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:45 am

Copy of the logistics email just sent to all teams at their registered email address:
Hello everyone,

Please arrive at Sidney Smith Hall (100 St George St.) no later than 8:30 AM on Saturday. We will be meeting outside SS 2114. All games will be played on the second floor.

Please bring six (6) printed copies of your packets with you, along with whatever is required for your multimedia component. I know that this is a pain, but I can't guarantee enough laptops for all the rooms. If I get enough commitments to bring laptops from all of you, then I will send out an update to everyone.

In addition, please send your packets to BOTH of these email addresses:
mpmakortoff [AT] gmail [DOT] com
tak_seorangpun [AT] yahoo [DOT] com

We will be playing a full round robin, with 5 rounds before lunch, and 6 rounds after. There will be exactly one hour for lunch. As usual, there are many options for food on College St., as well as food trucks that normally park outside of Sid Smith.

Side event schedule is as follows:
During lunch --- Classical music audio tossups
Following VETO --- Geography Monstrosity 7, SHORT dinner break, BONGOS (all science)

Sign-up for side events will happen in the morning, so it is important to show up on time. Rock and roll audio tossups will be played on Sunday.

If you need to contact me the day of, my phone number is [REDACTED].

If you have any questions, please let me know, and I will reply as soon as possible.

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Post by minusfive » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:10 am

We should be able to get to 6 laptops easily, no? If, say, we have Jay's, Aayush's, Aaron's, and mine, we're already 2/3rds there. Pat and Joe will have theirs around, which makes 6 even without any hard lifting (and pretty much everyone else has one too, I would think). But we should aim for 7-8, just in case.
Anyone I just "voluntold" have any objection to saving us all from printing costs/hassle?
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Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:15 pm

otsasonr wrote: In addition, please send your packets to BOTH of these email addresses:
mpmakortoff [AT] gmail [DOT] com
tak_seorangpun [AT] yahoo [DOT] com
when is the latest we can send them to the other site
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by adosreme » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:09 pm

The Last 21 Stanley Cup Winners wrote:
otsasonr wrote: In addition, please send your packets to BOTH of these email addresses:
mpmakortoff [AT] gmail [DOT] com
tak_seorangpun [AT] yahoo [DOT] com
when is the latest we can send them to the other site
Imagine you're organizing and hosting a tournament, Joe, and you're waiting for the tournament organizers to send you the pack(et)s. When is the latest time that they could send them to you such that it wouldn't totally stress you, the tournament host, out?

That's the deadline.
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:12 pm

adosreme wrote:
The Last 21 Stanley Cup Winners wrote:
otsasonr wrote: In addition, please send your packets to BOTH of these email addresses:
mpmakortoff [AT] gmail [DOT] com
tak_seorangpun [AT] yahoo [DOT] com
when is the latest we can send them to the other site
Imagine you're organizing and hosting a tournament, Joe, and you're waiting for the tournament organizers to send you the pack(et)s. When is the latest time that they could send them to you such that it wouldn't totally stress you, the tournament host, out?

That's the deadline.
Is that tonight? tomorrow morning? tomorow midday?
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by Taper or die. Can you do any less? » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:19 pm

minusfive wrote:We should be able to get to 6 laptops easily, no? If, say, we have Jay's, Aayush's, Aaron's, and mine, we're already 2/3rds there. Pat and Joe will have theirs around, which makes 6 even without any hard lifting (and pretty much everyone else has one too, I would think). But we should aim for 7-8, just in case.
Anyone I just "voluntold" have any objection to saving us all from printing costs/hassle?
Don't tell me what to do.

(Yeah, mine will be there, I'll also voluntell Faith, Ming-Ho, Peter and Cole to bring theirs. I have to live up to my reputation of bringing an unnecessarily large number of laptops to tournaments, after all.)
The Last 21 Stanley Cup Winners wrote:Is that tonight? tomorrow morning? tomorow midday?
Imagine you are a one-legged anthropomorphic broccoli living in Bandra and crossing the sealink to Worli twice a day, and you're waiting for the tournament organizers to send you the packets. If the acceleration due to gravity increases to 19.6 ms^-2 and the Taylor-Nicki feud ends with Katy winning Album of the Year, what is the latest time that they could send them to you such that it would prevent Visser Three from acquiring a second Andalite host?

That's the deadline.
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Post by minusfive » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:21 pm

Get off thine arse and doeth it now, knave!
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Post by Senator_Jay » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:39 pm

lol, "classical misuk"
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Post by Senator_Jay » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:40 pm

Looking forward to this, boyos. Currently working on a clever team name, and cleverer player aliases. See yall bright and early on Saturday!
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:03 am

How many permanent staffers will there be? How many players/team will be required to staff during their bye?

Rico has kindly offered to be the second staffer for Rock and Roll if we have the demand. I will also staff Geo and Science; Science probably will need a second staffer.
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Re: VETO at the University of Toronto (2015-07-25)

Post by otsasonr » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:57 am

The Last 21 Stanley Cup Winners wrote:How many permanent staffers will there be? How many players/team will be required to staff during their bye?

Rico has kindly offered to be the second staffer for Rock and Roll if we have the demand. I will also staff Geo and Science; Science probably will need a second staffer.
Since there are 5 games happening simultaneously, every member of your team will be required to staff during the bye, as is normal for VETO. Rico will be generously staffing every round. There is a possibility that we have more permanent staffers the day of, but you should expect to be reading your team's round.

In addition, to clarify the whole "when are packets due" issue, I will just second what Aaron said, and make the suggestion that 8 PM EST is a very reasonable time to have your packet completed and sent to BC. This will avoid any panic in BC about where the packets are.
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Post by minusfive » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:06 am

otsasonr wrote: Since there are 5 games happening simultaneously, every member of your team will be required to staff during the bye, as is normal for VETO. Rico will be generously staffing every round. There is a possibility that we have more permanent staffers the day of, but you should expect to be reading your team's round
I assume you have a plan for this already, but I have exactly 1 person on my team. I will likely have a couple more in the morning (people on no other team who are coming to play with me), but I can't promise anything.
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Post by Masked Canadian History Bandit » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:02 pm

Are games starting at 8:30 or later (e.g. 9)
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Post by Peter13 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:12 pm

Masked Canadian History Bandit wrote:Are games starting at 8:30 or later (e.g. 9)
I was under the impression that all the teams would be at the quizbowl headquarters of Sidney Smith Hall by 8:30am and games would start shortly afterward when all the buzzers and laptops and things are set up. (i.e. 8:45 or 9:00am)
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Post by otsasonr » Fri Jul 24, 2015 8:32 pm

Teams should arrive at 8:30 AM.
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Post by otsasonr » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:14 pm

I would like to thank everyone who came today and made it through a very long day of quizbowl. I apologize for the length of the main event, but given the nature of VETO that was partly expected. If anyone has any suggestions for how to improve VETO next year (or the next tournament at U of T in general), please let me know.

Stats have been done, but Rico has them, so I will post them tomorrow morning. Similarly, Joe has the scoresheets for GeoMon, and has promised to add up all of the scores.

BONGOS is currently adjourned after the first "round" of 2 packets. We will resume tomorrow after the HSNCT mirror.

Speaking of HSNCT, we will be meeting at 8:30 AM tomorrow. We've decided to cap the field at 6, which means there is still one more spot available for a team, and I believe some available spots for free agents. We will also be playing the rock and roll audio questions over lunch.

Thank you to everyone again for coming out to VETO, and for making it the unique experience it is. I hope to see many of you tomorrow.
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Post by mhyee » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:38 pm

I had a great time today, despite (or in spite of? or because of?) the idiosyncrasies of VETO, and having to leave early. Thanks to everybody who made that possible (Rein for TDing, Rico for staffing, and everybody else for writing/reading/being opponents, and anyone else I should specifically name but am too tired to). Thanks also to my teammates, Patrick, Shuying, and Young-Min, and I hope people enjoyed our packet.

I also really enjoyed classical music, even though we ended up missing lunch. (Hopefully rock and roll tomorrow doesn't run into the same problem.) As someone who enjoys three meals a day, I think missing lunch was actually worth it. Thanks to Joe for organizing it, and everybody else for providing tough competition. I look forward to the next classical music side event, whether audio or textual. And congratulations to Young-Min for winning!

EDIT: Meant to say "or because of?" but didn't because I was too tired.
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Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:16 am

mhyee wrote:I had a great time today, despite (or in spite of?) the idiosyncrasies of VETO
Nick Penner's packet, people's positive reactions to the music, and Jay's team's liking for our packet made the day wonderful despite VETO being VETO. :grin: 9.999999.../10 would come again.
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Post by TheRhymeMinister » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:00 am

Once again, VETO showed that it's the only tournament of its kind, in all the best ways. Despite a grueling schedule and occasional technical difficulties, it was a fantastic day overall!

Special thanks to Rein and UT for organizing this tournament, Rico for being the best reader while also doing stats, Joe Su for his side event organizing, Jordan Palmer for riding off into the sunset like the hero that he is, all the teams for their friendly competition and fantastic packets, and to my teammates (Faith, Heather, and Michael) for their terrific writing and excellent camaraderie throughout the day.

Can't wait to do this again in 2016!
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Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:33 am

mhyee wrote: I look forward to the next classical music side event, whether audio or textual. And congratulations to Young-Min for winning!
Glad you enjoyed it; If people want, I also have some textual questions from the same event (i.e. no repeats from today's material) that could be used for a VCUO side event. I won't be there, but I'm sure someone will be willing to read it to everyone.
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Post by otsasonr » Sun Jul 26, 2015 7:33 pm

I know I said I would post the stats for VETO this morning, but the need to bike home and return with a set of buzzers tied to my back with an extension cord for the HSNCT mirror meant I lost some expected time this morning. They can be found here.

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Post by Windows ME » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:02 am

You know VETO is wacky when the Top 2 teams at the tournament are the only ones to not power any questions.
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Post by adosreme » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:15 am

Windows ME wrote:You know VETO is wacky when the Top 2 teams at the tournament are the only ones to not power any questions.
That was because only the first place team's packet had powers and the second place team played their exhibition round on it.
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Post by Peter13 » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:19 am

I just want to thank everyone for organizing and running the tournament, especially Rein for coordinating everything to run as smoothly as it did. VETO has always been a bastion for creative and fun quizbowl to proliferate, and while there were a few questions that I thought were rather poor, overall I felt that it kept with that tradition while still asking things of legitimate importance.
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Post by minusfive » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:14 am

Thank you to everyone who made my final event a real pleasure. Thank you to Rein and Rico, Joe for a very enjoyable music event at lunch, Jeff Hoppes for supplying a very energizing GeoMon, and all the people who read/scorekept and made this event a success.
Thank you to everyone who played on my team; this includes you, my opponents! It was great to share quizbowl with you.
Good luck to y'all, and good luck to the awesome experience that is VETO.
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Post by Benin Rebirth Party » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:14 pm

Here are the stats for Geo Monstrosity, played in a bee format.
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Post by vetovian » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:57 pm

The full report for VETO in Vancouver is here:
http://caql.org/results/veto15.html

The stats report for Toronto shows two teams with 7-2 records in the lead. Were there any playoff games, or was a winning team even decided?
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Post by adosreme » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:38 am

vetovian wrote:The full report for VETO in Vancouver is here:
http://caql.org/results/veto15.html

The stats report for Toronto shows two teams with 7-2 records in the lead. Were there any playoff games, or was a winning team even decided?
Nobody really wanted to play any additional games, so we broke the tie on ppg.
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