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Post by Mr. Kwalter » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:32 am

That's right, it's that time again. From this year forth the poll will be conducted under the official auspices of ACF, but its rules won't change. We want ballots outlining the top teams in the nation from 1 to 25. The ballot should reflect your analysis of results from open tournaments, SCT, and ACF Regionals. The point of the poll is to be a nationals predictor, and you should think about both the ICT and ACF Nationals. Send the ballots to me at ekwartler at gmail dot com. As pollmaster I reserve the right to reject any ballots that are wildly absurd (as in most of the teams being from any one region, the voter unreasonably jacking up his/her own team's ranking, etc).

Also, this would be a good time to post any relevant information about your team's nationals plans (Are you attending, will your whole team be there, do you have to drive through East St. Louis to get to ICT, etc).

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Post by Jeremy Gibbs Lemma » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:19 am

Make sure you stop in East St. Louis for directions ..... just sayin.

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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:10 am

Minnesota will be sending teams to both ACF Nats and ICT. Our ACF team will consist of our standard A team (me/Andrew/Gautam/Bernadette); those first three will be going to ICT with an as-yet unnamed fourth.
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Post by cvdwightw » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:15 pm

UCI is sending a team of myself/Ray/Carl/Brendan to ICT. Our four for ACF Nats will likely be the same; however, we may not go if Brendan cannot go.

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Post by Kyle » Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:40 pm

Harvard A is going to the ICT with the battle-tested, all-class-of-2009 lineup of Julia Schlozman, Adam Hallowell, John Lesieutre, and me. For ACF nationals we will probably replace me with noted non-undergraduate Bruce Arthur.

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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:11 pm

Maryland is going to both ICT and ACF with our full lineup. We are, however, driving from Maryland, which seems to suggest that we will inevitably end up driving through East St. Louis. Rank accordingly.
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Post by Dartmouth College Bowl » Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:18 pm

We are going to both ACF Nationals and ICT. Our Division 1 team at ICT will be an all-2009 team of Randall, AJ, Dominic and Tiberiu. Our ACF Nationals team is Randall, Dominic, Tiberiu and our beast frosh James.

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Post by Kyle » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:04 pm

Dartmouth College Bowl wrote:Our ACF Nationals team is Randall, Dominic, Tiberiu and our beast frosh James.
I think "beast frosh" is a funny term that should be used more often.

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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:08 pm

Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
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Post by Jeremy Gibbs Lemma » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:34 pm

Eric, we could really use one of those. I would be willing to pay top dollar for a beast frosh whenever you get the kinks worked out as we are pretty lacking in that category.

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Post by vandyhawk » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:53 pm

Vandy will have our full team for ICT, the same one that was at SCT and slightly better than the Penn Bowl edition, where we had our #5 instead of #3. ACF is another story. We'll have me, and that's likely it. In a somewhat unusual twist, Paul has Eastern Orthodox Easter that weekend (he's in the process of converting), and the other guys have finals.

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Post by grapesmoker » Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:58 pm

ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
hey stop giving away all our secrets ok

p.s. how dare you presume to speak for me

p.p.s. our team will be eric, dennis, myself, and a magical unciorn
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Post by wd4gdz » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:06 pm

Our DivI Undergrad team for NAQT will be Billy Beyer, Matt Alford, David Flowers, and Joseph Kostansek.

I'm not entirely sure if we'll be able to go to ACF Nats (due to finals and graduation and such), but if so, it will be hopefully be similar to the team listed above, but with the possible addition of venerable David Raymond.

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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:39 am

grapesmoker wrote:
ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Our ACF nationals team will be Jerry Vinokurov, Dennis Jang, Eric Mukherjee, and our top secret beast frosh that I'm genetically engineering in my basement.
hey stop giving away all our secrets ok

p.s. how dare you presume to speak for me

p.p.s. our team will be eric, dennis, myself, and a magical unciorn
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Post by DumbJaques » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:29 am

Paul has Eastern Orthodox Easter that weekend (he's in the process of converting)
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Post by cornfused » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:43 am

Not that Lawrence really deserves a spot on this poll, but we're not going to ACF Nationals and we'll be missing our #2, #3, and probably #4 at ICT for Div II. In other words, if we go to ICT, it'll likely be me, solo.

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Post by Red-necked Phalarope » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:16 pm

I won't be playing for UNC at ICT (should we attend), but if this has a serious impact on your poll you may want to strongly re-examine your ranking criteria...

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Post by evilmonkey » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:39 pm

cornfused wrote:Not that Lawrence really deserves a spot on this poll, but we're not going to ACF Nationals and we'll be missing our #2, #3, and probably #4 at ICT for Div II. In other words, if we go to ICT, it'll likely be me, solo.
To steal a previous statement...
CasanovaFrankenstein wrote:but if this has a serious impact on your poll you may want to strongly re-examine your ranking criteria
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Post by cornfused » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:02 pm

Well, I could make a serious (ly misguided) case for Lawrence's consideration for one of the spots in the 20s... we're 31-14 for the year, and that's not so bad.

But you'll notice that I opened with "don't vote for meeee!"

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Post by Captain Sinico » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:44 pm

We'll send a couple teams to Nationals and one to ICT from a pool of players including: Greg Baboukis, Steven Canning, Jeff Crean, Trygve Meade, myself, Donald Taylor, et al. We're not yet sure who the A teams will be; it depends on who can go, who steps it up, and some other stuff.

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Post by Rayford Smuckles » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:48 pm

Stanford:

ICT: A Team: Eric Smith, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and possibly Kevin Koai

The B Team is less certain, depending on whether we decide to do a Div I UG team, but it could include any combination of Kevin Koai, Alex Inman, Arnav Moudgil, Jason Ma, or myself (Mike Sexton,) all undergrads, or Paul Rundle, who is a grad student.

ACF Nats: Some combination of the ACF Regionals team of Kevin Koai, Brian Lindquist, Kristiaan De Greve, and Arnav Moudgil, plus me, who played for UCI at regionals.
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Post by Mr. Kwalter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:40 am

We have results! All ballots submitted this year were deemed acceptable. Good job. Also, UC-Irvine and Minnesota were tied exactly for 8th. Hopefully that will be resolved in a grudge match at ACF nationals.

1. Maryland
2. Brown
3. Chicago
4. Stanford
5. Illinois
6. Harvard
7. Vanderbilt
8. UC-Irvine
8. Minnesota
10. Florida State
11. MIT
12. Princeton
13. Dartmouth
14. Iowa
15. Williams
16. Drake
17. Carleton
18. South Florida
19. North Carolina
20. Rutgers
21. Florida
22. UCLA
23. Berkeley
24. UIC
25. Yale

Honorable Mention (teams that didn't make top 25 but got some votes):

Harding
Georgia
Carnegie Mellon
Alabama
Toronto
Cornell
WashU
Wisconsin
UTC
North Dakota
Columbia
Truman State
Walt Whitman HS
MLK Magnet HS
William and Mary
Brandeis
Temple
ULL
Penn

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Post by cornfused » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:03 am

And Lawrence. Aww.

(mostly sarcasm, folks)

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Post by Krakki » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:18 am

Kit Cloudkicker wrote:We have results! All ballots submitted this year were deemed acceptable.
How many ballots were submitted?

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Post by Mr. Kwalter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:32 am

10. More usable ballots than last year. And yeah, Lawrence was conspicuously absent from all of them.
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Post by Dartmouth College Bowl » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:42 am

Is it possible to see to a breakdown of what each team was ranked in the different ballots?

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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:18 am

I'll echo cookie monster's request.
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Post by Mr. Kwalter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:10 am

I'm way too lazy to do better than this.

Dwight Me Magin Hart Hairboy CHRIS RAY Chiego Dark Eric BB Weiner Meigs Total
Chicago 25 23 24 24 24 25 22 23 25 24 23 262
Maryland 24 24 23 23 25 23 25 25 24 25 24 265
Brown 23 25 25 25 23 24 23 24 23 23 25 263
Stanford 22 21 22 22 20 20 24 21 22 21 22 237
Illinois 21 22 21 21 22 21 21 23 21 22 20 235
Vanderbilt 20 20 19 20 21 22 20 20 19 21 202
Harvard 19 19 20 19 19 19 17 22 19 20 18 211
UC-Irvine 18 15 15 17 13 12 15 13 16 14 19 167
Williams 17 11 10 14 9 6 16 15 17 0 115
Minnesota 16 18 16 18 16 18 10 20 10 12 13 167
Drake 15 9 8 7 17 10 12 10 13 10 4 115
Iowa 14 12 9 12 10 7 19 11 18 5 117
Princeton 13 6 18 5 5 16 14 19 9 6 17 128
Florida State 12 16 13 13 11 17 11 12 12 15 11 143
Dartmouth 11 10 12 16 15 14 9 17 5 11 8 128
MIT 10 17 14 15 18 13 0 16 3 16 14 136
Carleton 9 14 5 11 8 8 18 7 6 7 0 93
Florida 8 8 4 6 4 0 8 8 13 0 59
North Carolina 7 3 11 4 12 5 6 14 0 5 0 67
UCLA 6 0 0 10 0 0 0 15 0 0 16 47
Georgia 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 3 19
North Dakota 4 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 11
ROM 4 1 0 0 3 6 3 6 1 6 0 30
Rutgers 2 5 7 2 0 0 13 18 7 0 9 63
South Florida 0 13 17 8 0 15 0 0 17 0 12 82
Toronto 0 7 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 15
Yale 0 4 0 3 0 0 0 8 0 0 7 22
Harding 0 0 6 0 7 0 5 0 2 0 0 20
Carnegie Mellon 0 0 3 0 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
Temple 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
Penn 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Berkeley 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 18 0 15 42
WashU 0 0 0 0 6 4 4 0 0 0 0 14
MLK Magnet 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 6
Walt Whitman 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10 10
Alabama 0 0 0 0 0 11 0 0 0 4 1 16
Cornell 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 6 15
Truman State 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 0 0 7
Wisconsin 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14 0 0 14
UTC 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0 9 0 13
ULL 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
Columbia 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 9
William and Mary 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 6
Brandeis 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 5
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Post by cornfused » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:07 pm

3-3-4 for first place... nice. Nationals should be good this year.

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Post by grapesmoker » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:20 pm

Kit Cloudkicker wrote:We have results! All ballots submitted this year were deemed acceptable. Good job.
I'm pretty sure my ballot was probably not accepted but that's probably because I only managed to get through the first 10 spots.
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Post by Kyle » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:59 pm

cornfused wrote:3-3-4 for first place... nice. Nationals should be good this year.
...and not only among the top three spots. I am personally looking forward to an ACF nationals showdown between #11 MIT and #13 Dartmouth. MIT won both MIT-Dartmouth games at regionals, but the first one to come from behind on the last question. Neither game had a single unanswered tossup and the first had only one neg. Plus Dartmouth didn't have their so-called beast frosh. There are a lot of solid teams this year and there are going to be a lot of close games.

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Post by cvdwightw » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:49 pm

Here's a slightly-better-ordered version. Note that Eric only gave the results of 10 ballots for a few teams (for instance, I can't believe Vanderbilt would get totally left off someone's ballot).

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Rank  Team            Tot   Avg   Top   Bottom
1     Maryland        265   24.09 1x4   3
2     Brown           263   23.91 1x4   3
3     Chicago         262   23.82 1x3   4
4     Stanford        237   21.55 2     6     
5     Illinois        235   21.36 3     6     
6     Vanderbilt      202   20.20 4     7     
7     Harvard         211   19.18 4     9     
T8    Minnesota       167   15.18 6     16    
T8    UC-Irvine       167   15.18 7     14    
10    Florida State   143   13.00 9     15
11    MIT             136   12.36 8     NR    
12    Iowa            117   11.70 7     21    
T13   Princeton       128   11.64 7     21    
T13   Dartmouth       128   11.64 9     21    
15    Williams        115   11.50 9     NR    
16    Drake           115   10.45 9     22    
17    Carleton         93    8.45 8     NR    
18    South Florida    82    7.45 9     NR
19    North Carolina   67    6.09 12    NR
20    Florida          59    5.90 13    NR    
21    Rutgers          63    5.73 8     NR    
22    UCLA             47    4.27 10    NR    
23    Berkeley         42    3.82 8     NR    
24    ROM              30    2.73 20    NR    
25    Yale             22    2.00 18    NR    
Also receiving votes: Harding 20, Georgia 19, Carnegie Mellon 17, Alabama 16, Cornell 15, Toronto 15, Wisconsin 14, WashU 14, UTC 13, North Dakota 11, Walt Whitman 10, Columbia 9, Truman State 7, William and Mary 6, MLK Magnet 6, Brandeis 5, Temple 2, ULL 2, Penn 1

List prettified by the very bored formatting fairy.

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Post by Mr. Kwalter » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:15 pm

Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot.

And Jerry, yeah, I got a couple of top ten ballots, but I didn't count those as "rejected" since by rejected I really mean OMFG THE WEST IS THE BEST LET'S RANK UC-DAVIS #4. And yeah, I have gotten that crap in the past.

Oh, and thanks dude, that is indeed much cleaner.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:46 pm

Kit Cloudkicker wrote:Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot
Yeah yeah, sorry. Apologies to matt keller; I didn't know how to reconcile the fact that he's playing solo at ACF with the full team at ICT, then I just forgot. After revising my ballot and putting it into the spreadsheet, it gives me something pretty close to dwight's ordering.
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Post by msaifutaa » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:56 pm

Kit Cloudkicker wrote:Actually Dwight, Eric Mukherjee was retarded enough to leave Vandy off his ballot.

And Jerry, yeah, I got a couple of top ten ballots, but I didn't count those as "rejected" since by rejected I really mean OMFG THE WEST IS THE BEST LET'S RANK UC-DAVIS #4. And yeah, I have gotten that crap in the past.

Oh, and thanks dude, that is indeed much cleaner.
I'm sure Eric just missed one while counting out teams (EDIT: Aha, and he posted while I was typing this to affirm that, so I guess I'm scooped), but I actually don't see the omission in that chart (unless you corrected for it already?)--at a fairly thorough glance at the chart, MIT seems to be the highest rated team that someone (Chiego) left off the ballot. Actually, I had no idea MIT would rank so highly at all (I might have made us somewhere in the 20s, but then, that's why I didn't contribute a ballot!), so I'm happy to see what we got, and it even seems like we could have had a shot at FSU for top 10 if we weren't unlisted on Chiego's ballot when the other teams around our skill level were included--as Kyle mentioned, our best fieldable team and Dartmouth tend towards close exciting games.

I'm really happy to see how far MIT has come in my time here!

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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:06 pm

Interesting curiousity; if you take out Chris' Chiego's ballot, then MIT goes to 10. Also, Chicago, Maryland, and Brown are all tied at exactly 240 points.
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Post by msaifutaa » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:14 pm

ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Interesting curiousity; if you take out Chris' ballot, then MIT remains at 11. However, then Chicago, Maryland, and Brown are all tied at exactly 240 points.
Yup, Chris's wasn't the one missing MIT though, so it isn't a surprise that we stay at 11 if you remove it. If you take out Chiego's ballot, I believe that puts MIT at 10th, just barely (since it costs us nothing to drop the ballot, and FSU would go down by 11).

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Post by vandyhawk » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:02 am

ToStrikeInfinitely wrote:Yeah yeah, sorry. Apologies to matt keller; I didn't know how to reconcile the fact that he's playing solo at ACF with the full team at ICT, then I just forgot. After revising my ballot and putting it into the spreadsheet, it gives me something pretty close to dwight's ordering.
You best be sleeping with one eye open in St. Louis... Anyway, I don't really care about polls, as evidenced by my not submitting one. I'd be quite happy with making the top bracket at ICT. As for ACF, I'll just be thrilled to average > 100 ppg (including bonuses).

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Post by DumbJaques » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:07 am

You best be sleeping with one eye open in St. Louis.

I think we all better give that some consideration
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