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Post by millionwaves » Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:34 pm

Hey, all.

Now that I've got a better handle on what's actually going on here, I'd like to announce this formally so I can figure out if it's going to happen at Chicago Open or at the 24 hours of quizbowl event.

I, Chris Ray, and Jerry Vinokurov are collaborating on a (first-ever!) doubles subject tournament in social science and philosophy, with a small but significant portion of other non-fiction, which would entail questions on literary criticism, historiography, and other things of that nature. Currently, the distribution in a 20/0 packet is going to be 10 Social Science, 8 Philosophy, and 2 "other", although we reserve the right to change that if we feel it isn't working out. I expect that the difficulty will be about on par with other subject tournaments that have occurred on CO weekend before.

Please post in this thread if you'd like to play in a tournament of this nature, and if you would, if you'd prefer to have it at Chicago Open or at the day long event.
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Post by SnookerUSF » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:16 pm

YES, YES, OH GOD YES, OH PLEASE RIGHT THERE AT THE CHICAGO OPEN, OH YES!



I am formally declaring my interest in participating at such an event, thank you.
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SnookerUSF wrote:YES, YES, OH GOD YES, OH PLEASE RIGHT THERE AT THE CHICAGO OPEN, OH YES!
What this guy says.
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Post by Pilgrim » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:45 pm

cdcarter wrote:
SnookerUSF wrote:YES, YES, OH GOD YES, OH PLEASE RIGHT THERE AT THE CHICAGO OPEN, OH YES!
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Pilgrim wrote:
cdcarter wrote:
SnookerUSF wrote:YES, YES, OH GOD YES, OH PLEASE RIGHT THERE AT THE CHICAGO OPEN, OH YES!
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Post by ValenciaQBowl » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:18 pm

Ahmad, can I be on your team?

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Post by Strongside » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:26 pm

I would like to play in a tournament like this.
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Post by Gautam » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:30 pm

This would be fun. I'll probably be only good for a couple of econ tossups, but yeah, I'd definitely be interested in playing!

As to whether I'd be able to come, hmm, I can't be sure....

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Post by SnookerUSF » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:18 pm

ValenciaQBowl wrote:Ahmad, can I be on your team?
You complete me.
You had me at Re:
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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:22 pm

Given that there seems to be a lot of desire for this event, we definitely welcome any ideas. Trygve posted our intended skeletal distribution, but we both are interested in leaving some room for stuff that might not get to go into the qb canon in other events. I mean, if you aren't going to do that at a CO side event, when could you? Among the ideas discussed for this "extra" space are, as Trygve noted, literary criticism, historiography, and some other stuff. If you've got ideas on what "some other stuff" might mean, feel free to let us know.
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Post by SnookerUSF » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:03 pm

So now that I have cleaned up after my initial post, some suggestions to help you along with what I think would be an awesome tournament (please understand that these are just personal suggestions and I am not claiming any particular entitlement, I have never written such an event, though I have stayed at Holiday Inn Express):

Other Stuff:
Literary Criticism/Critical Theory
Historiography

Additionally...
Film Theory/Criticism
General Non-fiction (Like general audience stuff Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins, Douglas Hofstadter)
Religious Studies
Media Studies

Also do you think you could flesh out at this early stage, what sort of Philosophy distribution, because if I hear another David Hume related tossup, well...I'd be non-plussed. In a recent theme tournament with a philosophy packet, it seemed to be all ancient and Anglo-Analytic tradition based items, and I hope that will not be the general trend here. Some suggestions to this end would include a regional and chronological sub-distribution, e.g...

Chronologically:
1 Ancient
1 Medieval/Renaissance
2 Early Modern/Enlightenment
2 Romantic reaction up to the 20th.
2 20th-21st century.

Regionally:
4 Continental European (this includes ancient)
2 British/North American
2 Non-Western: Middle Eastern, South American, Chinese, Indian, etc...

And of course 2/0 Heidegger & Kierkegaard per packet! <==Essential.

Social Science:
3 Sociology/Psychology
2 Anthropology/Archeology
1 Economics
1 Linguistics
1 Other

I am sure this is horribly negligent of a sub-topic of valuable interest, but I hope at least some consideration will be given to this distribution.

Thanks,
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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:17 pm

Wow Ahmad, you rule.
Film Theory/Criticism
General Non-fiction (Like general audience stuff Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins, Douglas Hofstadter)
Religious Studies
Media Studies
All of these comments are just my personal thoughts, rather than me officially speaking for the editor group:

I like the second "general non-fiction" thing, though I'm personally hesitant to employ stuff that's so current events-y. It's an interesting idea. As for religious studies, I am afraid I quite frankly don't know what you mean - would this not fall under anthropology? I suppose there are religious philosophers of the modern era, but (speaking just for myself here) I wouldn't be inclined to use a separate category for them. If we're talking more obscure modern theologians, man, am I going to be asking Jerry for help in judging accessibility here.
1 Ancient
1 Medieval/Renaissance
2 Early Modern/Enlightenment
2 Romantic reaction up to the 20th.
2 20th-21st century.
This is pretty much remarkably similar to what Trygve and I just fleshed out when we talked today. Basically pre-Socratics will not be haunting your dreams, and I'd like to stay within a general framework like this while allowing some branching. Some things defy easy categorization, but rest assured that this tournament will take advantage of the expanded philosophy (and SS, of course) canon that we'll be allotted as a CO subject tournament. We'll be all over the place but the emphasis will be on significant stuff, and significant stuff that doesn't normally come up that much in quizbowl is not in my mind yet another Greek whose name begins A-N-A-X.
4 Continental European (this includes ancient)
2 British/North American
2 Non-Western: Middle Eastern, South American, Chinese, Indian, etc...
I'm not particularly willing to embrace a geographical distribution, although Trygve and I did talk about making sure that general non-western stuff gets enough play. I'm not really sure if two non-western per packet is going to go down, mainly because with more recent stuff it becomes pointless to an extent to apply arbitrary geographic labels. Also, maybe I'm off base here since I claim absolutely no bigger picture knowledge of philosophy, but it seems to me like separating British/NA from mainland European isn't really necessary. Perhaps if we find we're trending a certain way, we'll come back and revisit this, or maybe there's some compelling reasoning to impose a hard distribution right off the bat? We're listening, certainly.

Anyway, I'll do my best to keep the Is-Ought Problem from ruining your weekends, but of course no promises. Thanks for the response.
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Post by SnookerUSF » Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:26 pm

DumbJaques wrote:...keep the Is-Ought Problem from ruining your weekends,
This is all I have ever wanted from life.
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Post by theMoMA » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:52 am

There should be a few pre-Socratics though. I mean, Parmenides, Anaximander, Thales...these guys came up with important ideas that are still discussed in modern philosophy, plus they're really fascinating.
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:32 am

Unless the tournament ends up being like 10/10 Douglas Hofstadter it's unlikely I'd be particularly good at it, so I'll volunteer to read/scorekeep/do stats/whatever.
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Post by No Rules Westbrook » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:37 am

This event sounds great. I'd play it, play it so hard. And, don't feel too shy about throwing in pre-Socratics, I think they kick ass.
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Ryan Westbrook wrote:This event sounds great. I'd play it, play it so hard. And, don't feel too shy about throwing in pre-Socratics, I think they kick ass.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:54 am

DumbJaques wrote:If we're talking more obscure modern theologians, man, am I going to be asking Jerry for help in judging accessibility here.
More tossups on the fifth most important book of Paul Tillich plz.

Also, I'll put myself up for the slaughter, assuming I show up to CO.
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Post by cornfused » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:57 pm

I'm notably awful at this stuff - I think I should draw the line between "this will help me get better" and "i'll only get stuff when other people neg, and then not all the time." I'll read/scorekeep.
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cornfused wrote:I'm notably awful at this stuff - I think I should draw the line between "this will help me get better" and "i'll only get stuff when other people neg, and then not all the time." I'll read/scorekeep.
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Post by evilmonkey » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:15 pm

Also, for social science - no love for political science?
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Post by SnookerUSF » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:25 pm

I said:
SnookerUSF wrote:I am sure this is horribly negligent of a sub-topic of valuable interest, but I hope at least some consideration will be given to this distribution.
Then:
evilmonkey wrote:Also, for social science - no love for political science?
Response: I suck at life, yes-political science is muy importante (The broken Spanish is for emphasis).
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Post by millionwaves » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:40 pm

evilmonkey wrote:Also, for social science - no love for political science?
As a matter of fact, I'm a political science/economics major, and would love to see more political science represented in quizbowl. I expect that I'll write some political science questions for the miscellaneous social science part of the sub-distribution (about 1 per packet right now). Political science in quizbowl seems to have taken the form of IR scholarship, so I expect that most if not all of the political science questions will be about that. You might also expect some questions on political philosophers/theorists as part of the philosophy or "other" distribution.
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Post by EncyclopediaCDRom » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:39 pm

I struggle to write social science questions, so I would be more useful as a moderator. I plan to be at the Chicago Open for all three days, but I am not informed about a 24-hour quiz bowl marathon. I am new to this message board, so I have not found the date and the location of this marathon

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Rom - that's in New Jersey on the second of August. See here for details.
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Ryan Westbrook wrote:And, don't feel too shy about throwing in pre-Socratics, I think they kick ass.
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Post by Captain Sinico » Tue Mar 25, 2008 3:11 pm

Of course, I will play in this.

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Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:47 pm

I will certainly be playing this, and I have a tentative teammate.
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I am interested in playing. If you're interested in playing with me, have your people call my people.

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Sign me up as well.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Thu May 29, 2008 11:41 pm

I suppose I'll sign up for this. Someone has to get last place.
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Post by EncyclopediaCDRom » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:19 pm

On second thought, I would also like to enter these doubles/triples/quadruples, too, and I am currently searching for a teammate in case Tim Hartman cannot stay Sunday night. As I have been humbly suggesting this evening, triples and/or quadruples could keep these side tournaments moving more swiftly, especially since Seth Teitler has just cautioned us that 11 PM building closures might be enforced.

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wd4gdz wrote:I am interested in playing. If you're interested in playing with me, have your people call my people.

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Who wants to be my teammate for this? Please email me at limozeen@gmail.com.
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I wanna play, I need a partner, weak at econ/law/politics and philosophy (esp early): recfreq at yahoo dot com.
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Post by Matt Weiner » Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:58 pm

Hey, please sign up a team of me and Guy Tabachnick.
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Billy Beyer and I are forming a Dream Team.
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Post by Megalomaniacal Panda on Absinthe » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:21 am

I'd like to sign up, now that I'm reasonably sure I'm coming.

Also, I support the call for a 2/0 Kierkegaard and Heidegger per packet distribution.
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Post by Gautam » Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:51 pm

I am playing with Shantanu.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:33 pm

Jeremy Eaton and I are now on the team destined for last place in this tournament.
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Post by Sima Guang Hater » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:52 pm

Magin and I are on a team.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by millionwaves » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:58 am

Hey, all. This is the field right now for this tournament:

Teams:

Eric Mukherjee + Jonathan Magin
Jeremy Eaton + Mike Bentley
Matt Lafer + Chris Carter
Gautam Kandlikar + Arnav Moudgil
Guy Tabachnick + Matt Weiner
Andrew Hart + Billy Beyer
Ahmad Ragab + Chris Borglum
Charlie Dees + Bruce Arthur
Mike Sorice + Andrew Yaphe
Seth Teitler + Seth Samelson
Ray Luo + Ryan Westbrook
Trevor Davis + Brendan Byrne

People who have said they are coming, but haven't yet told me who they're playing with:

People who have told me that they'll stick around on Sunday night to help out, thereby becoming awesome (if they weren't already):

Evan Silberman
Rob Carson
Greg Peterson
Bryce Durgin (maybe)
Carsten Gehring
Katy Peters
Evan Nagler (maybe)
Rom Masrour

Presumably I, Chris, and Jerry will be reading, so I think we're covered on this front, although if you want to come help out, I won't turn you away and you'll earn my eternal gratitude.

If you're not on one of those lists, but think you should be, please e-mail me. If you're on one of those lists, but think you shouldn't be, please e-mail me.

We're planning on writing a total of 10 packets. The format is posted below.

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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by theMoMA » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:07 pm

I'd be alright with two brackets of six, five games, a rebracket into a top and bottom bracket, and five more games, with cumulative record deciding the champ (and various appropriate tiebreakers if necessary). That way all of the packets are played, and honestly I think that's more important in the case of events like this than it is to crown a definitive champion.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by OctagonJoe » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:21 pm

I think I said on the IRC that I'd be willing to help out as needed, and that offer still stands.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) » Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:01 pm

Bruce Arthur is my teammate here.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by fleurdelivre » Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:20 pm

Am I really not on your list of available helpers/readers/whatever-ers? I'll be around, so let me know if I can make myself useful.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by Strongside » Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:13 am

Trevor Davis and I have agreed to team up for this tournament.
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Re: Announcement: Social Science/Philosophy Subject Tournament

Post by Gautam » Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:14 pm

I am now playing with Arnav Moudgil, as Shantanu, unfortunately, will not be able to attend CO.

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