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Justin Miller (the guy from Owens CC), sent me a link to this http://www.kcqrl.org/Home_Page.html

Are there any other such leagues around? Does anyone know where they get their questions?
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AllsWellThatPosts4 wrote:Justin Miller (the guy from Owens CC), sent me a link to this http://www.kcqrl.org/Home_Page.html

Are there any other such leagues around? Does anyone know where they get their questions?
Given that they require correct punctuation in their spelling tossups, but not capitalization, and given that they have a four-way division between math, science, humanities, and general knowledge, and given that they require all member schools to host a tournament once every four years... no, I'd say they're pretty unique.

They require tournament hosts to be responsible for the questions, apparently meaning that they can either write them or order them. Order them from whom? Who knows! As long as they're a quarter math, a quarter science, a quarter literature/philosophy/history/fine arts/mythology/religion/social science/geography, and a quarter trash, I don't know if they care.

That might be the strangest organization I've ever heard of.
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everyday847 wrote:As long as they're a quarter math, a quarter science, a quarter literature/philosophy/history/fine arts/mythology/religion/social science/geography, and a quarter trash, I don't know if they care.

That might be the strangest organization I've ever heard of.
Give them a little credit, Andy. It's actually 1/5 math, 1/5 science, 1/5 lit/philosophy/fine arts/mythology/religion, 1/5 history/social science/geography, 1/5 trash.

But QFT on the second bit.
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Their best rule is the one that says that teams have to switch sides at the half. That keeps either team from benefitting from wind conditions, sun, or a loud home crowd on one side of the room.

Unfortunately, however, their distro is not as unique as it ought to be. The Florida CC Activities Association Brain Bowl, of which Valencia is a part (for the regionals/state structure, which is what CC presidents want to hear about your team playing in), has 1/4 computational math, 1/4 natural science, 1/4 social science, and 1/4 "humanities" (ie, everything else). And the questions, well, you don't want to see the questions.

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ValenciaQBowl wrote:Their best rule is the one that says that teams have to switch sides at the half. That keeps either team from benefitting from wind conditions, sun, or a loud home crowd on side of the room.

Unfortunately, however, their distro is not as unique as it ought to be. The Florida CC Activities Association Brain Bowl, of which Valencia is a part (for the regionals/state structure, which is what CC presidents want to hear about your team playing in), has 1/4 computational math, 1/4 natural science, 1/4 social science, and 1/4 "humanities" (ie, everything else). And the questions, well, you don't want to see the questions.
I'm pretty sure the best rule is that last names suffice unless the question specifies otherwise. I'd love to see a question that begins "Note that you must indicate whether you mean John or John Quincy in your answer."

You are correct. I do not want to see the questions, no, not at all.
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Since I am in an unapologetically snarky and condescending mood this morning:
http://myforum.kcqrl.org/user/Discussion.aspx?id=80870
-Note the usage of the phrase "pitstomped by the best" in reference to a CBI National Tournament.

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Finally:
Kansas Academic Excellence Challenge is a Community College League
http://skyways.lib.ks.us/schools/kaec/
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sample questions wrote:What does the acronym "FOB" mean?
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DumbJaques wrote:
sample questions wrote:What does the acronym "FOB" mean?
I really hope there's some less offensive meaning for this acronym.
everyday847 wrote:I'm pretty sure the best rule is that last names suffice unless the question specifies otherwise. I'd love to see a question that begins "Note that you must indicate whether you mean John or John Quincy in your answer."
Uh... what's funny about this rule? You just start the question with "First and last names required."...
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cornfused wrote:I really hope there's some less offensive meaning for this acronym.
Free on Board...seriously, it falls under their "Business" category, there's even a wiki.
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Easy there guys... it would seem that the league in question is just playing off standard Governor's Cup rules, a competition which is played throughout the state of Kentucky and is sponsored at the High-School level by KAAC. I played my entire pre-college career in Kentucky, and let me just say - don't discredit our bastardized version of Quiz Bowl. Sure, it doesn't require the knowledge base that is necessary for NAQT (it's called "Quick Recall" because there is an emphasis on rote memorization and speed in answering), but it is incredibly helpful in refining some of the raw speed that is necessary to be a top QB player. Most of the fastest buzzers I've ever seen have come out of KY's Governor's Cup program.

There's no reason to dismiss the the Quick Recall game played in Kentucky; many of us Kentuckians that play up in the National scene recognize that our game not only is less fun than Quiz Bowl, it is also a less difficult game. But that doesn't mean it's any less competitive.
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roth wrote:There's no reason to dismiss the the Quick Recall game played in Kentucky; many of us Kentuckians that play up in the National scene recognize that our game not only is less fun than Quiz Bowl, it is also a less difficult game. But that doesn't mean it's any less competitive.
Horseshoes is pretty competitive too.

Anyway, given that the information is out there, someone should make an effort to contact these teams and get them to come out to a real tournament sometime.
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Oh, I don't doubt the KAAC's contributive qualities at the High School level, look at their question writing guideline, I just wonder about how this seemingly solid set of guidelines, gets bowdlerized to the point at the college level where CBI NCT seems like something to work towards.
Question Writing Guideline wrote: Your goal to write a competition question that:
- Is taken from, or is an extension of, core classroom curricula
- Rewards in-depth knowledge first (uses pyramidal structure)
- Is direct and fair
- Reduces as much as possible the element of buzzer speed as a determining factor
- Has ONLY one accurate, correct answer, or provides alternate answers that may be given
- Has a good chance of being answered by both teams
- Is free from "hooks" or "traps", which frustrate students
- Flows well when read by the moderator
This guideline also has a lot of examples both good and poor to help distinguish between the two, though they are restricted to apparently two sentences, it has a lot to offer a new question writer, even at the seemingly vaunted levels discussed here on this board.

Also competitive: Cornhole.
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Daniel wrote
Easy there guys
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Righto. Indeed, just because a team plays in such competitions does not preclude it from other tournaments. Though I can't stand the questions Valencia and the other Florida CCs play in our state competition, I enjoy the tournament experiences, which are filled with good folks. So Jerry's right--some outreach is necessary.

As to the Kansas folks, Ahmad, well, they're starting to learn about QB as we know it as they continue to send teams to ICT, and I'm working toward getting a mirror of Delta Burke there next November to hasten that process.

PS--my neighbors and I play a little cornhole (though we more civilizedly call it "Baggo") now and again. I wonder if we posted some pix of ourselves playing if a bunch of hardcore cornhole players would mock us on their "real cornhole" message board. I can only hope . . .
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cornfused wrote:Uh... what's funny about this rule? You just start the question with "First and last names required."...
At which point my answer space narrows to a set of people for whom a last name wouldn't be enough, leading to some delightfully early buzzes, i.e. "hey psych, and not William James-ish, so it's Anna Freud FIFTEEEEEEN."
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SnookerUSF wrote:Also competitive: Cornhole.
Another game which Kentuckians should be very adept at; I believe there is still pending legislation to make it our official state game!

Anyways, the big problem with the Governor's Cup style of play is that it rewards reaction time and word association moreso than it does depth of knowledge. If you hear "Shah Jahan" and you haven't already buzzed in to say "Taj Mahal," then you're simply not even an average Quick Recall player. I'll look online at the KAAC website and see if there are any videos or audio recordings of some of the State level Governor's Cup matches. You might really be surprised with the speed and "educated guesses" that go into this style of gameplay.

i wouldn't defend Quick Recall, but it really isn't nearly as useless as some people think.
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ValenciaQBowl wrote:PS--my neighbors and I play a little cornhole (though we more civilizedly call it "Baggo") now and again. I wonder if we posted some pix of ourselves playing if a bunch of hardcore cornhole players would mock us on their "real cornhole" message board. I can only hope . . .
Hope no longer: http://americancornholeassociation.yuku.com/directory
Get on it.

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grapesmoker wrote:Anyway, given that the information is out there, someone should make an effort to contact these teams and get them to come out to a real tournament sometime.
Georgetown College has been to at least one "real" tournament in the southeast. I want to say they've been to several, but I don't really recall. A guy from Pikeville was/is their main guy, and pretty sure he has an account here, so maybe he'll happen upon this thread, or Charlie and others can help confirm that Georgetown College has in fact ventured out of their league.
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