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Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:12 pm
by cvdwightw
So I missed yesterday's rousing Ad Hominem attack on me. I'm going to try to resolve this internally, but here are a few things that I would rather have publicly, to clear up a few misconceptions:

1. The Room fiasco was not exactly Jason's fault. I was under the assumption that someone who could actually reserve the rooms (by that, I mean someone other than me, since I have no idea where to go to reserve rooms and am pretty sure they wouldn't allow me, as a non-officer, to reserve them even if I did) would be able to get rooms in Humanities Hall like they do for every other tournament. Then Jon notified me of the ridiculous $50/room thing for Humanities Hall. I apologize for being so disorganized about this, but since when has any member of the club been paid for reserving rooms?

2. The "Willie Chen ridicule" was a pointed dig at his EFT Commentary, and I had written that question well in advance of the tournament. Yeah, I might have gotten a little angry with the Jason Luna ridicule, since it was on two separate bonuses that (1) Jason was specifically asked to change after we playtested the packet on Wednesday and (2) he did not change. Perhaps I should have attempted to edit it instead of replace the leadin on one of those bonuses, I apologize. There were "ridicules" of a few other people, and none of them are anywhere close to the "worst" that have been out there.

3. When we had four teams, I asked Jason and his brother Marcus to form a house team and write a packet between the two of them in lieu of the 10/10 I had asked other club members to write. Based on my posts on the original thread this implies I asked them at either our May 28 meeting or our June 4 meeting, and while 2.5-3.5 weeks might not be the optimum amount of time to get a packet done, it certainly wasn't "one week before the tournament I got asked to write questions". Actually, after Jason volunteered to help with anything else, I assigned Jason 0/4 on Friday afternoon for one of the house packets that he'd have a bye on, and the bonuses he contributed there were superior to 90% of the other bonuses.

4. The fourth non-house team was the HS Hybrid team that formed after I realized that a 4-team tournament would be as bad as a 3-team tournament with the packets we had.

5. I'm not sure which of two questions Jason is referring to with the "no one reads X" quote that I allegedly said. Both of the questions I am thinking of were on topics that were not the best-known work by its author, and I advised that he change them to tossups on their authors.

6. During the tournament, I felt Marcus was quite justified in calling out Jason for some rather stupid negs and brainfarted tossup answers. In particular, you do not just go in halfway through the question with (what appeared to me to be) a not-exactly-educated guess when you're down 15 points on the last tossup.

7. Anyone who is not playing in the mirrors can see the submitted and "edited" versions of the Luna packet (though you'd only get the general idea of things for most of the tossups that weren't in the original submitted Word document) by e-mailing me, assuming you want to actually continue this abomination.

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:05 am
by r.g.anderson
As an associate editor for this tournament and an officer for the UCI club, I have a few things to add to Dwight's reply.

1. First, I want to thank Dwight and Ray Luo for doing the bulk of the work on editing. Due to a sudden work assignment given in the week before Zot Bowl, I wasn't able to contribute as much effort late in the process as I hoped (especially on the Thursday and Friday before the tournament). Dwight spent much time and numerous late nights to get the set to where it currently stands. He also made appropriate adjustments to the field and tournament to adjust to the participating teams, the available promised packets (or somewhat lack of), and sudden revelations of UCI room policies and limited room times. He also sought help from both the UCI squad and other QB members as soon as the need became apparent. After the rest of the community has had a chance to see the mirrors of our tournament, I hope Dwight will be recognized for his outstanding efforts towards better quizbowl, especially in Southern California.

2. Despite the best effort of the editors, the set is not quite where we want it to be. We will work to improve the set before the mirrors.

3. From my perspective, the tournament went well. Some of the tossups went dead, and the bonuses were slightly too hard for our field, but the teams seemed to have fun. With the assistance of team scorekeepers during the bye, we were able to get in a 10 round tournament between 10:15 AM and 4:30 PM with nearly an hour for lunch.

4. I won't comment on Jason's post as I would like to discuss it with the rest of the club in private.

Again, thanks to Dwight and Ray for editing and to all the freelancers who submitted questions.

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:33 am
by ihavenoidea
I want to thank Dwight, Ray, and Ray for organizing this tournament, editting it, and being good moderators. It was my first exposure to mACF in tournament, and I enjoyed it a lot except for a few here and there.

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:51 pm
by ntan
hey ray and dwight thanks for taking the effort to host the zotbowl.

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:29 pm
by ak47
Thanks to Dwight and the two Rays for putting together the Zot Bowl. It was definitely a great experience contributing to and playing my first mACF tourney.

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:39 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Let's post those stats baby!

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:49 pm
by cvdwightw
They'll be coming once Ray makes some modifications to the website.

Until then, you get the modified Charlie Steinhice version


Rank Team W L T Pct PPG PAPG Mrg 10 -5 BHrd BPts P/B
1 "Rancho Bernardo" 8 0 0 1.000 281.9 85.0 196.9 93 31 93 1480 15.91
2 UCLA 4 4 0 0.500 151.2 135.6 15.6 62 12 62 650 10.48
3 HS Hybrid 4 4 0 0.500 99.4 181.2 -81.9 52 39 52 470 9.04
4 Caltech 3 5 0 0.375 119.4 151.2 -31.9 52 14 52 505 9.71
5 The Fabulous Sklar Brothers 1 7 0 0.125 73.8 172.5 -98.8 40 25 40 315 7.88


Rank Player Team GP 10 -5 Pts PPG
1 Auroni "Rancho Bernardo" 8.0 43 17 345 43.12
2 Tirth UCLA 8.0 32 8 280 35.00
3 Anurag "Rancho Bernardo" 8.0 31 7 275 34.38
4 Brandon Caltech 8.0 27 5 245 30.62
5 Salomon (Keith) UCLA 8.0 21 1 205 25.62
6 Thing 1 Caltech 8.0 23 9 185 23.12
7 Neiman HS Hybrid 8.0 22 13 155 19.38
8 Tony Sheridan (Jason) The Fabulous Sklar Brothers 8.0 25 22 140 17.50
9 Zhao "Rancho Bernardo" 8.0 16 5 135 16.88
10 Marcus The Fabulous Sklar Brothers 8.0 15 3 135 16.88
11 Lucas HS Hybrid 8.0 24 23 125 15.62
12 D (Daniel) UCLA 8.0 9 3 75 9.38
13 Brian HS Hybrid 8.0 6 3 45 5.62
14 Kevin "Rancho Bernardo" 8.0 3 2 20 2.50
15 Thing 2 Caltech 8.0 2 0 20 2.50

Round Report
Round PPG/Team BPts/BHrd
Dees 153.75 12.00
Lunas 158.75 12.03
UCLA 140.00 12.07
Rancho Bernardo 148.75 8.53
Caltech 170.00 15.17
Gioia/Watkins 157.50 12.67
House 1 100.00 9.38
Chiego 140.00 11.00
House 2 147.50 9.69
House 3 135.00 11.96

Re: Zot Bowl: Epilogue

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:22 am
by r.g.anderson
Stats can be found here. They will also be eventually posted on the UCI Website when the site redesign is done, but they will stay here for at least the immediate future.