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ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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This is the official announcement of the University of Georgia's Southeastern mirror of ACF Winter, to be held on January 17th, 2009.

This is a packet-submission event and the difficulty is advertised as being similar to that of a regular-season event; harder than ACF Fall, but similar to the 07 and 08 iterations of Penn Bowl. For the full announcement of ACF Winter, please see viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6634

PACKET REQUIREMENT (quoted from the ACF website): "Any team with at least one person on it who played a regular, collegiate, academic quizbowl tournament prior to September 1, 2007 is required to submit a packet in order to participate in an ACF tournament in 2008-2009. All ACF tournaments, NAQT Division I or Division II SCT, NAQT ICT, and typical academic invitationals count as regular collegiate academic tournaments for this purpose, but trash or "hybrid" tournaments, College Bowl/HCASC, and tournaments played on NAQT "invitational series" questions do not. This test is applied to each individual team, not to your school's contingent as a whole."

Note: The no-penalty deadline for required packets is Dec. 13th, so we highly recommend teams begin getting together a packet if they are required to submit.

FEES (per ACF):
Base fee: $120
Buzzer systems: -$5 each
Staffers: -$10 each
Laptop: -$5 each (max 1 per team)
Travel: -$10 for every 200 miles traveled
International: -$20
Teams new to ACF: -$25
Teams new to quizbowl: -$75
High school teams: -$50

LOCATION/TIME: Likely the journalism building, where we usually host, with registration from 8:30 to 9:00 and play beginning as close to 9:15 as possible. If you are not there by 9:15, play may begin without you.

DIRECTIONS: Athens can be a kind of confusing place to navigate around, so here are instructions for teams once you get on the Perimeter Loop (SR 10) that circles Athens. If you're coming from the West (SR 316) or South (US 129), take the loop to the EAST (right) until you get to the College Station Rd. exit and turn left onto College Station Rd. If you're coming from the North (US 441, from I-85), take the loop to the SOUTHEAST (left) until you get to College Station Rd. and take the exit to the right onto College Station rd. Once on College Station Rd., cross the railroad tracks and take a right onto East Campus Road. Follow East Campus past the stadium and up a hill; just past the crest of the hill, turn left onto Hooper Rd. and then take an immediate right into the parking lot (the gates will be up since it's Saturday). Park here and you have the best access to the center of campus. The large brick building immediately adjacent to the lot is Psychology; keep walking past Psychology (away from East Campus Rd.) and the next big building (which is partially attached to Psychology) is Journalism.

LODGING/FOOD: See http://uga.edu/quizbowl/helpful.php

CONTACT: If you have any other questions or would like to register for this tournament, please send me an email at [email protected] . I'll post a field update once we start getting a list of interested teams.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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EDIT: See field update below.

Nice to see some newer teams enthusiastic about this tournament; I think credit has to go to Eric Douglass' excellent Southeastern Quizbowl newsletter for keeping these other teams in the loop. As always, send us an email at uga.quizbowl at gmail to register or if you have any questions.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Put UA down as interested.
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Pretty sure FSU will send a team.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Is the "Central Florida" listed Central Florida CC (of Ocala) or UCF of Orlando?

Also, I'm going to try to bring two Valencia teams, but I'll confirm the week after Thanksgiving and get back to you.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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How could I get a copy of the Southeastern quizbowl newsletter?

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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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kactigger wrote:How could I get a copy of the Southeastern quizbowl newsletter?

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Feel free to e-mail me at [email protected] so that I can put you on the list. Also, anyone else who is interested in the newsletter can do the same. The newsletter is basically a bunch of links to helpful websites and tournament announcements; it's definitely nothing fancy, but hopefully it keeps folks who don't read the message board in the loop.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Real quick question. I have not played any college tournaments and I would like to try it for the first time. Will I have to submit a packet, if not then put me down as interested
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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uga_chris wrote:PACKET REQUIREMENT (quoted from the ACF website): "Any team with at least one person on it who played a regular, collegiate, academic quizbowl tournament prior to September 1, 2007 is required to submit a packet in order to participate in an ACF tournament in 2008-2009. All ACF tournaments, NAQT Division I or Division II SCT, NAQT ICT, and typical academic invitationals count as regular collegiate academic tournaments for this purpose, but trash or "hybrid" tournaments, College Bowl/HCASC, and tournaments played on NAQT "invitational series" questions do not. This test is applied to each individual team, not to your school's contingent as a whole."

FEES (per ACF):
Base fee: $120
Buzzer systems: -$5 each
Staffers: -$10 each
Laptop: -$5 each (max 1 per team)
Travel: -$10 for every 200 miles traveled
International: -$20
Teams new to ACF: -$25
Teams new to quizbowl: -$75
High school teams: -$5
No, but you can do so for a nice discount.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Bakery, State, and Utopia wrote:Real quick question. I have not played any college tournaments and I would like to try it for the first time. Will I have to submit a packet, if not then put me down as interested
Yep, like George said there's no need for a packet but you're more than welcome to write one. And if you want to come or have any questions, try to send us an email so we can correspond if need be.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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We're interested in coming...
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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As of 12/31/08, we have a pretty large field registered for ACF Winter Southeast. If your name is on this list, please make sure that you can still make it and let us know how many teams you expect to bring as soon as possible if there's a "?" next to your name. We might have to cap the field at 24 to maintain reader quality (unless you're bringing an experienced, competent reader- let us know if you are) and we're looking at over 20 teams right now, so let us know ASAP.

Confirmed
Georgia Tech (1)
Alabama (1-2?)
FSU (1-2?)
Berry (1)
MSU (1)
USC (2)
Vanderbilt (1)
The Citadel (1)
South Florida (1)
Emory (1)
Oxford College of Emory (1)
U of Central Florida, aka Vitello et. al. (1)
Valencia (2)
NE AL CC (1)
"GPC" aka Slade et. al. (1, open)
Eric Blair et. al. (1, open)
ASFA (1, HS)
Total: 19-21

Maybes
Florida (1?)
Chattahoochee (1?, HS)
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Wow, this is awesome. Why wasn't there this much turnout for ACF Fall at UTK? :sad:

Also, if that's Robert Slade listed as the open team, doesn't he go to GPC? (I'm asking this question out of ignorance, not anything else - at COTKU the "GPC" team was him playing solo, so that's why I'm asking) I wonder why there is a GPC team listed but also him?
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Valencia's practice today confirms we'll bring two teams of three players each. I'll read.
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Jack had mentioned to me last time I talked to him that Vandy would likely attend, so hopefully that will be the case.
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AdamL wrote:Wow, this is awesome. Why wasn't there this much turnout for ACF Fall at UTK? :sad:

Also, if that's Robert Slade listed as the open team, doesn't he go to GPC? (I'm asking this question out of ignorance, not anything else - at COTKU the "GPC" team was him playing solo, so that's why I'm asking) I wonder why there is a GPC team listed but also him?
3 different sites all across the southeast compared to one central location helps.

I've been told that Slade and GPC may be combining forces, but we'll await details.
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uga_chris wrote:
AdamL wrote:Wow, this is awesome. Why wasn't there this much turnout for ACF Fall at UTK? :sad:
3 different sites all across the southeast compared to one central location helps.
Also, Saturday tournaments help with turnout as well.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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True, but there are one or two teams listed here that, as far as I know, didn't attend any of the 3 southeast Fall sites, which is partially what I meant.

But ah right, for some reason I temporarily forgot that UTK was on a Sunday. Yeah, that probably hurt.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Yeah, I don't recall ever seeing Citadel or Oxford College, but that's only from one year of college play (and I didn't go to all the events GT went to).

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If we can get our act together Emory (Atlanta Campus i.e. not Oxford) may send a team or two.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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catsasslippers wrote:If we can get our act together Emory (Atlanta Campus i.e. not Oxford) may send a team or two.
Nina- We'd love to see Emory send a team. Y'all would definitely get the new team discount and not have to submit a packet (at least to my knowledge).
rienzi0711 wrote:I don't recall ever seeing Citadel or Oxford College
Citadel has been registered for several tournaments, but I don't think ever actually attended them. Oxford used to attend some NAQT tournaments, but I haven't seen them elsewhere since.
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rienzi0711 wrote:Yeah, I don't recall ever seeing Citadel or Oxford College, but that's only from one year of college play (and I didn't go to all the events GT went to).

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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Chattahoochee High School might be sending 1 team to this if a spot in the field is still available. If someone from UGA could let me know about availability here on the board or at my address below, I would be most appreciative.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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We've gotten a great response from outside moderators and have plenty of competent people to field in-house, so we still have room for up to 24 teams and there are several spots left. So you're more than welcome to register, no worries.

Note: We'd still like to hear from other teams who are "maybes" in order to help finalize the logistics for us (i.e. whether we need to look into creating a house team to fill out the spots). Please let us know that as soon as possible.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Hey. Northeast Alabama Community College will bring a team if that's cool.
This looks like it's going to be a pretty awesome tournament. Even the high school teams are pretty competitive. I read for ASFA in several rounds of the Brindlee Mountain tournament , and I was very impressed with the numbers they were putting up.
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Things I love seeing: CCs showing up for more and more circuit events.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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With just over two weeks left before the tournament, we're out of "maybe" schools and into a final list of confirmed programs. Some haven't yet told us the final number of teams they're bringing though, so we really need to hear from those teams as soon as possible so I can get the schedule set.

Speaking of a schedule, here's what I'm looking at depending on the # of teams:
18 team- 9-9 RR and then 6-6-6 (13-14 rounds total, depending on byes/packets)
19 teams- will add or subtract a house team (House team may play against you during your bye too)
20 team- 10-10 RR and then 5-5-5-5 (13-14 rounds total, depending on byes/packets)
21 team- two tiers of 7-7-7 RRs (12 rounds total)

Here's the final list of schools:
Georgia Tech (1)
Alabama (1)
FSU (1)
MSU (1)
USC (2)
The Citadel (1)
Emory (1, New Team)
U of Central Florida, aka Vitello et. al. (1)
Oxford College of Emory (1)
Valencia CC (2)
NE AL CC (1)
"GPC" aka Slade et. al. (1, open)
ASFA (1, HS)
House (1)
Total: 16 (May be more or less, depending on various circumstances)
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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UA shouls be bringing only one team with all freshmen.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Sadly, schools are beginning to drop like flies. We need confirmation from the teams who originally said that they were coming in order to figure out who's actually going to show up. At this rate, we might be back to a full round-robin of 14 or so teams. Please respond too if I emailed you about finances so we have an idea of what you're going to be bringing. A final email will go out Wednesday or Thursday night with final reminders/instructions.
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NACC (Northeast ala comm college) will definitely be there with one team. In case of a cancellation, please call me at 256.228.6001, x 441. Thanks

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Unless there's a blizzard (and even maybe if there is) we won't cancel; we'll still have enough teams to play, but we just need to know who's going to show up.
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After the initial round-robin groups, we've divided into Upper and Lower brackets:

Team/PPB/Margin
USC A- 16.93/333
UCF- 16.05/241.7
FSU- 14.59/223.3
House- 11.48/110
Tech- 10.67/86.7
GPC- 9.64/48.3
Alabama- 12.27/16.7
Valencia A- 7.65/-78.3

ASFA- 7.73/-35
NE AL CC- 7.5/-80
MSU- 9.0 /-95
Berry- 3.75/-78.3
Valencia B- 7.78/-101.7
Oxford- 2.5/-161.7
USC B- 6.25/-210
Citadel- 2.0 /-220

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Since this could conceivably matter at some point, you might want to check out how USC A had 21 tossups in a game, leading to 5 ppb.
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Thanks, yeah that was a statkeeper typo.
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Special thanks for rapid-fire stats posting. This will help us with press release!
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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Congratulations to South Carolina A who defeated FSU in the finals in the UGA Mirror of ACF Winter with a victory in the final over FSU.

Top individuals were Billy from FSU, Robert from USC, Alvin (a high schooler) from ASFA, and Casey from NE AL CC.

Stats are partially up at: http://mahmed11.myweb.uga.edu/acccff_st ... _team.html
We still have some work to do on them, but you should get the general idea.

Teams played an initial round-robin with 4 teams each and then split into lower and upper brackets. At the end, we had another round robin with the teams that decided to remain to play and without the exhibition teams (GPC and UCF). Stats were recorded for the top two remaining brackets.

I want to thank Bryn Reincke, Eric Douglass, and Chris Borglum for serving as excellent readers, allowing us to get through the rounds relatively quickly. All the members of the UGA team too who gave up their Saturday to come help out are also deeply appreciated. Special thanks goes to Trygve Meade who provided a wealth of information and instant advice over the phone when needed; ACF knows how to do customer service.

Thanks to all the teams who showed up and we hope to see you at the SCT in a few weeks.
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Re: ACF Winter Southeast @ UGA (1/17/09)

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This was brought up in the Winter discussion thread, but I'm addressing it here so it's not a distraction:

First off, I want to say that this is not an attempt at completely justifying our decision to leave; in retrospect, and after speaking with people and learning some [apparent] basics about tournament bracketing theory, I realize that this was a dumb thing to do in the eyes of the circuit, and unfair for the teams that may have been hoping to play against us again. Furthermore, I apologize for cheating those teams out of a game against us, though I think I heard that the format of the playoffs was switched around somehow such that people were satisfied in terms of quantity of games played, for which I'm glad and relieved. Also, I'm speaking for myself here, but I think I echo the sentiments of the two players who voted along with me to leave; two of our five players did want to stay. Finally, the TD did announce that teams could request to leave at that point. That doesn't justify our leaving, per se, but I feel like I should note that we weren't just going "Fuck you, we're outta here" and leaving whenever we felt like it, as opposed to what has happened in the past with certain teams at certain tournaments.

Our main reason for leaving was that we were tired (yes, a lame excuse in and of itself, especially as it was only 5 oclock or around then, and only 9 rounds played so far) coupled with the fact that we didn't feel like, based on our inconsistent [to say the least, crappy to say the worst] play, we deserved to be in the championship bracket. I particularly felt like it would be unfair of us to potentially finish in 1st place when I felt we didn't belong there in the first place, though I have now realized/learned that first was mathematically unlikely (or impossible?) due to morning records carrying over. This was a grave oversight on my part, and nullifies any sort of "tournament result would have been unfair" argument I might've offered.

What happened in the tournament was the 16 teams were split "arbitrarily" into groups of 4 for 3 initial rounds of pooled round robin play, then the top 2 teams from each bracket went into the top group, and the bottom 2 went into the bottom, and the two groups each had another round robin (excluding a repeat match between teams that played in the morning). Afterwards, the total results were tallied for top and bottom separately and teams were split into final playoff brackets of 4. Out of those first 9 games, GT went 5-4, which was apparently inferior to at least one open team, "UCF". Another open team, "GPC", may or may not have also been statistically ahead of GT (that is to say, I don't know whether they were or weren't). But these open teams were not allowed to play in the championship bracket, so we were thrust in there instead.

I had an issue with the fact that we were getting into the championship bracket ahead of teams that were more worthy than us (i.e. UCF, who was statistically ahead). Furthermore, specifically pertaining to this tournament, our team felt like we were likely to be thrashed by the top teams (indeed, we had already suffered 400+ point losses to both USC and FSU) and would have had competitive games against teams that were "more our level" in the 5-8 bracket, and vice versa, a team like UCF would theoretically have had more competitive games against the teams in the top bracket and would not be [theoretically] beating up on the teams in the 5-8 bracket. I guess my point here is that I felt like inappropriate matchups were being created on both sides for the sole reason that open teams weren't allowed in the championship bracket, and I thought that kind of sucked. What I thought would've been more appropriate is for the open team to play in the top bracket as they were supposed to, and at the end of the day when calculating final standings, the open teams would simply be dropped from consideration. All this said, I now understand that (to sum it up briefly) "that's the way the rules work", which had been lost on me before.

So, in sum, I realize that it was a dumb thing for us to leave the tournament early, though I'll defend myself slightly by claiming ignorance of the rules that govern bracketing with open teams and championship eligibility and such. Our leaving was a function of both that (and the misunderstandings it implies) and just plain being tired - which meant that we felt like leaving, and then feeling like the playoff brackets were screwed up pushed us over the edge, so to speak. It's a weak excuse at best, and certainly no justification, and I'm extremely apologetic to any people that were disappointed by our choice. I'll certainly not be making the same mistakes again, now that I know how things work.

(By the way, not that it matters much, but Atlanta is definitely not less than an hour away from Athens, as someone said in the other thread)
Adam Liem
Chattahoochee High '08
Georgia Tech '12
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