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The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:39 pm

As per my announcement of the ROBOT postponement, I've decided instead to organize a packet submission tournament for PACE instead. I've got just enough time to be able to do this but not enough to do the full ROBOT that I wanted to do, but it's not going to be a conventional packet submission tournament, in the sense that you won't be choosing all your own teams. Instead, I'm designating as "writing captains" the following people, if they are interested:

Matt Weiner
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Andrew Hart
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Rob Carson
Aaron Rosenberg
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The idea is like this: these people (if they are interested in participating) are to head up the writing team. Any other player who is coming and would like to play should plan to join up with one of these people. You will be responsible for writing a packet by May 15 and there will be no charge to play. If you are listed as a captain on this list and you don't want to head up a packet-writing team, let me know and I'll put someone else in your place. My hope is that people can finalize teams in a few days and, as I said, get packets to me by May 15. I will also write a few editor packets to round out the tournament and that will be that.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by DumbJaques » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:14 am

This sounds very fun and intriguing - I'll add myself to whatever hypothetical free agent pool may or may not exist.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:22 am

Oh yeah, about difficulty: it's generally supposed to be around nationals-level difficulty or just below that, and the packets should be 24/24 standard ACF distribution.
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Post by BuzzerZen » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:31 am

As NSC tournament director, I forbid Andrew Hart from taking this job until I have seen some of the NSC set.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by ihavenoidea » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:35 am

If this is intended to be run Sunday night, I'm still up for reading. I could also make marginal contributions to the editors packets if needed, Jerry.
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Post by grapesmoker » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:37 am

And a third thing: this tournament is mostly intended for college players, obviously, though high schoolers are invited as well. However, it would be best if writing teams had 3 college players on them before they pick up a high school player.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:38 am

Anyone interested in joining my team let me know.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by setht » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:51 am

I'm pretty sure I'll play this. Assuming I do: if there are any UChicago-bound seniors out there that want to team up, drop me a line (setht@uchicago.edu). No worries if you don't feel like writing questions.

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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:28 am

If you can write and answer some science questions, I'm interested in playing with you. If you can't, I'm also interested in playing with you. Let me know if you're interested in playing with me!

EDIT: words are hard

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:38 am

You know, Rob, I've never played with you.
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:42 am

everyday847 wrote:You know, Rob, I've never played with you.
Let's do it.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Not That Kind of Christian!! » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:14 am

I'll also do this free-agent thing. Will not/cannot write history or geography, but I'll write fine arts and/or lit and/or bio.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Dennis » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:36 am

Yeah, I'll be there, so why not? If there's anyone interested in joining my team, let me know (email is dennis _ jang AT brown DOT edu).
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Post by millionwaves » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:49 am

Hey,

I'll be there, and I'm looking for teammates who can answer science questions, history questions, both, or maybe neither, that would probably be just fine too. Let me know if you're interested by e-mailing me at trygvemeade@gmail.com!
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Captain Sinico » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:08 am

I think we all know whom you want to play with.

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Post by SnookerUSF » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:16 pm

Captain Sinico wrote:I think we all know whom you want to play with.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by magin » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:37 pm

I also plan on being at this event; if you would like to write for my packet (hint: I don't do science), send me a resume and cover letter to jsmagin@yahoo.com. (Note: cover letter and resume not actually required).
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by The Logic of Scientific Disco » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:51 pm

I can't be at PACE, but I would be happy to contribute a handful of chemistry/physics/arts questions to the cause.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:02 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:Anyone interested in joining my team let me know.
By the way you can e-mail me at mike000@umd.edu.
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Post by naturalistic phallacy » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:30 pm

I may yet end up playing this, but I am always willing to write religion, philosophy, social science, literature, and some history.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by evilmonkey » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:53 pm

Yea, I'll staff this.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Lagotto Romagnolo » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:03 pm

All right, I'm in. Anyone who wants to join my writing team, send me a message at Aaron_Rosenberg@brown.edu (help on bio, chem, and CS would be much appreciated).
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Post by Not That Kind of Christian!! » Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:51 pm

I have been told to explicitly indicate my interests, so, Rob Carson, would you like to have me write music/lit/bio for your packet and play on your team?
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:22 am

HKirsch wrote:I have been told to explicitly indicate my interests, so, Rob Carson, would you like to have me write music/lit/bio for your packet and play on your team?
Sure, I'd be happy to have you! I've already written half of the music but there are plenty of other unwritten things (including some lit); surely you could talk Andy out of the bio he's claimed.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by dtaylor4 » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:16 am

If people are scrambling to finish packets, from May 9th on, I would be willing to freelance some stuff, preferably lit/myth/history. Before that date, forget it.

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by setht » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:39 am

grapesmoker wrote:Oh yeah, about difficulty: it's generally supposed to be around nationals-level difficulty or just below that, and the packets should be 24/24 standard ACF distribution.
Are other people interested in dumping the 1/1 geography in favor of another "your choice"? 'Cause I sure am.

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Tower Monarch » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:49 am

setht wrote:
grapesmoker wrote:Oh yeah, about difficulty: it's generally supposed to be around nationals-level difficulty or just below that, and the packets should be 24/24 standard ACF distribution.
Are other people interested in dumping the 1/1 geography in favor of another "your choice"? 'Cause I sure am.

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I too was wondering this, as I would certainly like to see geo go down. Maybe mandate that 1/1 of the combined "choice" needs to be non-Trash or -CE as well?
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:51 am

The fourth on my team will be the inestimable Zornadetta Spence.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by magin » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:56 am

Just write some stealth planetary geography, Seth. Or a tossup on the geography of the Invisible City of Kitezh. There are all kinds of fun polities to choose from to subvert the geography category, if you so desire.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:59 am

Coral Gardens and Their Magin wrote:Just write some stealth planetary geography, Seth. Or a tossup on the geography of the Invisible City of Kitezh. There are all kinds of fun polities to choose from to subvert the geography category, if you so desire.
Did someone say common line tossup on "polity"?

Also I am still looking for up to 3 teammates for this.

Edit: To facilitate this, please fill in information at: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key= ... HE8GP2ySQg.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by theMoMA » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:21 am

I would like to play this, but unfortunately my question-writing availability will be limited because of editing NSC. Would anyone be so kind as to let me play with them while writing a manageable number of questions (say 3/3)?
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Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:33 pm

So I'm not seeing significant traction on the spreadsheet or in this thread. Unless there are a lot of communications going on in private, it seems like the pool for this tournament isn't all that big. Might it be a good idea to start combining teams in order to make it more realistic that people will get their packets done on time?
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Post by vcuEvan » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:45 pm

Nevermind.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Lagotto Romagnolo » Sun May 03, 2009 1:43 am

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:So I'm not seeing significant traction on the spreadsheet or in this thread. Unless there are a lot of communications going on in private, it seems like the pool for this tournament isn't all that big. Might it be a good idea to start combining teams in order to make it more realistic that people will get their packets done on time?
Mike's idea is starting to look very attractive, unless we can recruit more writers quickly (which is going to be hard with exams and all).
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Sun May 03, 2009 3:07 am

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:So I'm not seeing significant traction on the spreadsheet or in this thread. Unless there are a lot of communications going on in private, it seems like the pool for this tournament isn't all that big. Might it be a good idea to start combining teams in order to make it more realistic that people will get their packets done on time?
Is it just the case that people aren't using the spreasheet? If people could please email me at grapesmoker at gmail dot com with their current team situations, I'll keep the field updated.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Sun May 03, 2009 6:48 pm

Actually, my plans have changed so I will no longer be participating in this tournament. Sorry.
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Post by setht » Mon May 04, 2009 11:28 am

Looks like we have 11 teams right now. I assume we want to wind up with an odd number. I count five teams with just one person right now; why not pick two of them and collapse them onto other one-person teams, going down to 9 teams? Or four of them could be assigned among the remaining one-person team and some of the two-person teams, going down to 7.

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by dtaylor4 » Mon May 04, 2009 12:06 pm

When is this being run? If I'm in town, I'll help staff.

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Post by Matt Weiner » Mon May 04, 2009 3:56 pm

Hey, are you still going to try out using bouncebacks at this tournament?
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Tue May 05, 2009 5:56 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:Hey, are you still going to try out using bouncebacks at this tournament?
I was just planning to do straight tossup-bonus; do people particularly care about having bouncebacks?
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Post by Matt Weiner » Tue May 05, 2009 5:57 pm

My position on bouncebacks in high school is enthusiastic apathy, so no. But I did think it might be interesting to try them out at a hard tournament like this, and I figured one held on PACE NSC weekend would be the appropriate time.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Tower Monarch » Tue May 05, 2009 6:10 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:My position on bouncebacks in high school is enthusiastic apathy, so no. But I did think it might be interesting to try them out at a hard tournament like this, and I figured one held on PACE NSC weekend would be the appropriate time.
Yeah, it does sound like an interesting idea. I find that the bouncebacks always keep a certain pace (no pun intended) to a game, where, even on hard questions, teams that struggle with the tossups can still show deep knowledge with the other side's challenging third part. At a high level tournament, it is always nice to see three parts converted, and bouncebacks can only help this. Plus, bouncebacks cut down on that suspect "we would have 30'd that" attitude. I wouldn't be disappointed without them but would enjoy a collegiate experiment with them.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Tue May 05, 2009 6:25 pm

Matt Weiner wrote:My position on bouncebacks in high school is enthusiastic apathy, so no. But I did think it might be interesting to try them out at a hard tournament like this, and I figured one held on PACE NSC weekend would be the appropriate time.
Sure, bouncebacks it is.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by ihavenoidea » Tue May 05, 2009 8:16 pm

Sorry if this has been asked before but when is this taking place?
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Post by grapesmoker » Tue May 05, 2009 10:58 pm

ihavenoidea wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before but when is this taking place?
Memorial Day after PACE.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Captain Sinico » Wed May 13, 2009 6:17 pm

So, what's up with this? I've heard a lot of rumors and stuff.

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Wed May 13, 2009 6:58 pm

Still happening, for all I know. Several teams have combined due to other writing commitments, so I'm expecting around 9 or 10 packets from the field and planning to write about 3 or 4. I'll post an updated list later today; I'm sorry I haven't been keeping up on this, but I'm currently working 14 hour night shifts so my schedule is pretty crazy right now.

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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Sun May 17, 2009 12:39 am

So here are the teams that are apparently playing:

Dennis Jang, Cameron Orth, Aaron Rosenberg, and Andrew Hart
Matt Weiner, Will Butler, Evan Adams, Tommy Casalaspi
Seth Teitler, Shantanu Jah, Guy Tabachnik, Charlie (Dees?)
Jonathan Magin and Gautam Kandlikar
Rob Carson, Andy Watkins, Hannah Kirsch, Bernadette Spencer
Mike Sorice, Ahmad Ragab, Trygve Meade, Chris Ray

I've heard no word as to whether Ted and Charles are still planning to play. It would be good if they did and also wrote a packet, since then with 3 editor packets that would make 10 rounds. I still don't have any packets though, so it would be great if all the teams listed above could send me their stuff by the end of Sunday. I've got to go through and edit out any repeats and also need some time to finish writing my 3 packets so the sooner you send stuff in, the easier it will be for me. On a related note, it looks like I will not be physically present at PACE so I would like to ask that someone, preferably not playing this event, act as a point-man for receiving the completed packets.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by grapesmoker » Fri May 22, 2009 1:44 pm

I currently have packets from the following teams:

Jang
Weiner
Teitler
Magin

In combination with what I'm writing that only makes seven packets. If people are interested in having this thing go beyond 7 rounds, they should send me questions! If not, hey, you're the ones playing.
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Re: The Emergency: at PACE

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Fri May 22, 2009 6:49 pm

CarsonHirschWatkins[Spencer] has a packet that is more than 3/4 done; I'm almost sure it will be done tonight, I guess, maybe.
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