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Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:42 am

Starting on Monday, I will begin accepting ballots for the third iteration of my super-scientific and 100% serious business individual player poll, via the internet. Please do not send me ballots before the conclusion of ACF Nationals, because I will not count them towards the rankings.

All submissions must include a top 25 listing of players in order to be counted. Unlike in past incarnations, only players who played either or both of ACF Nationals or ICT are eligible for the poll. As a corollary to this, all players who played either of those two tournaments are eligible, including Division II players, community college players, and current high schoolers.

Please send your ballots to limozeen@gmail.com. Polling will be open until Wednesday, May 6.

Rate using whatever standard of worth you prefer; the masses will decide how the poll rewards specialists, generalists, those who get shadowed out by teammates, those who are significantly better at NAQT or ACF, etc.

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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:58 am

I'll send one in later this week.
Unlike in past incarnations, only players who played either or both of ACF Nationals or ICT are eligible for the poll.
Requesting special dispensation.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:29 pm

Eric Mukherjee and Paul Drube are eligible for this poll despite not playing nationals. Players who played in several regular season events and are working towards some sort of college degree can be made eligible on a per-case basis.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:21 pm

Oh yeah, and I'm now accepting ballots. You know you want to!
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Fri May 01, 2009 1:47 am

Will Butler is now eligible for this poll.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by The Toad to Wigan Pier » Fri May 01, 2009 5:21 pm

theMoMA wrote:Will Butler is now eligible for this poll.
Why?
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

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Popular demand.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Mon May 04, 2009 1:06 pm

Hey, two more days to do this.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Wed May 06, 2009 2:39 am

Today's the last day to tell me your wrong ideas about who is good.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by BuzzerZen » Wed May 06, 2009 9:40 am

theMoMA wrote:Today's the last day to tell me your wrong ideas about who is good.
1. Doug Yetman
2. Ike Jose
3-25. Various hypothetical versions of Dwight Wynne
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Wed May 06, 2009 2:52 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:
theMoMA wrote:Today's the last day to tell me your wrong ideas about who is good.
1. Doug Yetman
2. Ike Jose
3-25. Various hypothetical versions of Dwight Wynne
oh god this is actually making sense what do i do
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Haaaaaaaarry Whiiiiiiiiiite » Wed May 06, 2009 7:03 pm

BuzzerZen wrote:
theMoMA wrote:Today's the last day to tell me your wrong ideas about who is good.
1. Doug Yetman
2. Ike Jose
3-25. Various hypothetical versions of Naren Tallapragada
Fixed.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by dxdtdemon » Wed May 06, 2009 11:57 pm

hwhite wrote:
BuzzerZen wrote:
theMoMA wrote:Today's the last day to tell me your wrong ideas about who is good.
1. Ike Jose
2. Doug Yetman
3-25. Various hypothetical versions of Charles Meigs
Fixed.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Thu May 07, 2009 3:07 am

Since I'm supposed to be writing essays, you have a few more hours to sneak in last-minute ballots.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Sima Guang Hater » Sat May 09, 2009 12:48 pm

Alright, so I feel like starting a discussion.

1. Andrew Yaphe
-Still awesome, but we’re definitely catching up to him.

2. Jerry Vinokurov
– Got within 5 points of beating Yaphe in one game, beat him in another, and had similar levels of bonus conversion despite taking a hit on science. Can buzz on almost any category, at any time, often with the correct answer. Also a great team builder/teacher/etc (see: Aaron Rosenberg, me)

3. Seth Teitler
-Awesome player, but with a much better supporting cast than the other two, which explains his many championships (which shouldn’t be overlooked, but is not fair as a sole criterion for ranking individual players). His unquestioned lockdown on mythology and buzzer instincts are also important to note.

4. Mike Sorice
-Definitely a notch below the rest, but solid tossup power propels him above me in this poll – he can buzz on any category at any time. His bonus conversion, while good, just doesn’t hang with other top players (cf ACF winter, where a severely weakened Brown had almost the same bonus conversion as Illinois A)

5. Eric Mukherjee
-Also a notch below the above four. Still locking down science, and I suppose not much else. However, recent times have shown his # of powers equal Jerry’s while on the same team, and exceed it with some regularity – demonstrates patchy depth, almost a sniper-type headshot-or-nothing player.

6. Brendan Byrne
-Has that robot-like efficiency, and you can’t discount that. Solid knowledge of high-level leadins and middle clues is downright astonishing at times. But doesn’t equal the above players in terms of consistency.

7. Selene Koo
-Solid on biology, music, and books she has read, and excellent #2 on that death-bringing Chicago team.

8. Ted Gioia
-An emerging literature specialist, quite possibly the one with the most intense, concentrated knowledge of the subject playing today. As early as next year, he’ll probably begin matching players above him by sheer depth alone. Has to buzz on something other than art and literature in order to be considered truly great, however. The day Ted Gioia learns how to fraud science is a dark day for the rest of us.

9. Shantanu Jha
-Absolutely, absolutely dangerous, with excellent depth in several categories and solid buzzing instincts. Has a tendency to neg and flame out in some cases, but that’s equaled by his tendency to go on a run or get random, early, game-winning buzzes and kick your ass.

10. Chris Ray
-Has proven himself to be legit on many occasions, and has brought his negging more and more under control. Needs to get a little more depth outside of Asian history, however. Also his newly-found writing career will be watched with great interest

11. Dwight Wynne
-Solid science player and decent generalist. Seems to be tapering off in recent times, but was a solid addition to the UCLA team and is decent as point man for UCI.

12. Andrew Hart
-A fairly uniform generalist with solid knowledge of World literature, and as I have discovered, science. Can’t count him out of any round, but just doesn’t put up high numbers by himself.

13. Bruce Arthur
-Has developed from a middling player on Chicago B to a force to be reckoned with on all types of history and RMP. Outside of select categories, however, his knowledge seems to really taper off.

14. Dominic Machado
-Severely underrated leader of Dartmouth A, a decent generalist on anything outside of science and a very solid history and RMP player. Like every one of the Dartmouth guys, has the potential to do very well in a round, making Dartmouth a dangerous team.

15. Randall Maas
-Another severely underrated player, and solid contributor to Dartmouth who has good depth across the board.

16. Dallas Simons
-Possibly the next great history player, and good luck attempting to beat him to any classics. Developing into a solid generalist as well.

17. Rob Carson
-Keep locking down that myth. Other than that, I don’t know too much about his play other than he seems to approximate Hart’s scores on that Minnesota team.

18. Charlie Dees
-Probably the best music player in quizbowl today, and has the potential to develop into a good #1 on a good team if he sticks with it.

19. Ike Jose

-Scary.

20. Trygve Meade
-Scoring increasingly more points alongside that Mike Sorice character, and almost unbeatable to social science and some literature.

21. Auroni Gupta
-Solid knowledge across the board of the novice/regular difficulty canon/Japan. Kind of came out of nowhere, scores highly at novice events, is managing to build a good UCSD team with time

22 Doug Yetman
-Developing into a solid literature player across the board, and can hang on hard questions even as a freshman. His future is bright.

23. Aaron Rosenberg
-Hell-bent on locking down art and music, and is beginning to show signs of being the next great specialist in those categories (though Ted is currently outpacing him for that role). Also increasingly strong generalist, and underrated science player who regularly gets physics and astro on Brown A. He’ll make good on his threat to replace me on that team if his progress continues.

24. Gautam Kandlikar
-Knows science, don’t really know what else. Good addition to that Minnesota team, not yet a force by himself.

25. Andy Watkins
-He will be the next great science specialist, almost no question, unless Zhao Zhang beats him to the punch. But not nearly there yet.


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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Cheynem » Sat May 09, 2009 1:22 pm

Here's mine. This is somewhat biased by people I saw this year and I don't have as much experience as other rankers.

1. Seth Teitler. An absolute winner winner chicken dinner. Won some tournaments this year.
2. Andrew Yaphe. I hear he's good at quiz bowl. Had to knock him down to 2 because he only played Nats.
3. Jerry Vinokurov. Certainly the most intimidating player I've played all year.
4. Mike Sorice. Although this guy is probably up there in the intimidation factor as well.
5. Brendan Byrne. Whether a golem or a robot, he's the guy who knows things.
6. Eric Mukherjee. Impressive X-Men knowledge moves up here.
7. Andrew Hart. I'm not objective here, but definitely very lockdown in some categories.
8. Selene Koo. The calming yin to Seth Teitler's raging yang.
9. Shantanu Jha. Played him several times over the year and could track his progress because he would beat me by increasingly larger margins on harder questions.
10. Chris Ray. Has never been associated with a Mother's Day Massacre.
11. Dwight Wynne. 2002 HSNCT, represent.
12. Paul Drube. Makes the trains run on time and will buzz on you.
13. Kevin Koai. Seemed good the one time I saw him.
14. Kurtis Droge. Michigan people are good people.
15. Billy Beyer. Probably overrating him, but I'm impressed with science knowledge.
16. Rob Carson. I don't learn myth at practice because Rob Carson eats it.
17. Garrett Ryan. Give him some credit for being good at what he does.
18. Ray Luo. Knows old movies. I like that.
19. Ike Jose. Won DII ACF Nats, what do you want.
20. Charlie Dees. Very entertaining player.
21. Ted Gioia. Probably very underrating him, but I feel that Harvard is a team that works together as an unit, not as individuals. No disrespect intended for any of those wonderful young men.
22. Auroni Gupta. Good young man.
23. Paul Gauthier. I have to give him credit because he's so cool.
24. Bruce Arthur. ABBA fans are good people.
25. Aaron Rosenberg. He's my pick for #25.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Mike Bentley » Sat May 09, 2009 1:53 pm

I don't have enough knowledge to do a top 25, but here's a top 10:

1. Jerry Vinokurov - His performance at Nats this year was pretty incredible, especially as that team lacked Eric.
2. Andrew Yaphe - Still a great player, but it's clear he's a tad out of practice. I give the edge to Jerry this year because Andrew probably had a better supporting cast at Nats (although that team certainly isn't that used to playing together that much).
3. Seth Teitler - 25 national championships can't be wrong.
4. Mike Sorice - Did surprisingly well at ICT this year, but I agree with others that he's a slight notch below the top 3.
5. Brendan Byrne - I've been very impressed with him in almost all the games I've played against him.
6. Eric Mukherjee - I don't think I've actually seen Eric play this year, but assuming he's improved from last year, I think this is a fair slot. Too bad he couldn't make it to any national tournaments.
7. Shantanu Jha - Some of the stats he's put up this year playing on teams with Seth and Selene have been pretty incredible.
8. Chris Ray - A very good generalist, his game seems to have improved a good bit from last year. Seemed to do a lot better at ACF Nats than ICT, which probably says something.
9. Selene Koo - Clearly one of the best science players. Eternally playing on Seth's team makes it hard to get a true reading on her abilities, though.
10. Ted Gioia - Impressive lit and arts knowledge.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by dtaylor4 » Sat May 09, 2009 2:02 pm

4. Mike Sorice
-Definitely a notch below the rest, but solid tossup power propels him above me in this poll – he can buzz on any category at any time. His bonus conversion, while good, just doesn’t hang with other top players (cf ACF winter, where a severely weakened Brown had almost the same bonus conversion as Illinois A)

As a minor point of contention, note who else was on that team. For about three rounds, Sudheer and Ullsperger played. The rest of the time, it was simply Sorice, Micah Hodosh, and myself.

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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Sat May 09, 2009 2:12 pm

The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote: 25. Andy Watkins
-He will be the next great science specialist, almost no question, unless Zhao Zhang beats him to the punch. But not nearly there yet.
Compliment accepted, but I look forward to earning this spot next year. For the moment, I tend to disappear in big games (vs. a you-less Brown at Regionals, plus a couple of games at ICT, notwithstanding) too much to deserve to be ranked.
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Post by grapesmoker » Sat May 09, 2009 10:23 pm

The Quest for the Historical Mukherjesus wrote: 2. Jerry Vinokurov
– Got within 5 points of beating Yaphe in one game, beat him in another, and had similar levels of bonus conversion despite taking a hit on science. Can buzz on almost any category, at any time, often with the correct answer. Also a great team builder/teacher/etc (see: Aaron Rosenberg, me)
Just to correct for any misconceptions, we only played Stanford once; that was the game we lost by 5 points, although to be fair I think Stanford had a legitimate protest on a bonus part that may well have been upheld, so let's call it 15 in reality. We never played them in the playoffs because those were crossover brackets.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Gautam » Sun May 10, 2009 9:38 pm

This was my top 25:

1. Seth Teitler - I have always been amazed by the kind of buzzes Seth puts up across all categories; most impressed by his performance at the Westbrook event.
2. Andrew Yaphe - Pretty damn good at a lot of stuff, too.
3. Jerry Vinokurov - Haven't yet won a game against a team Jerry's been on (in standard 20/20 bowl)!
4. Brendan Byrne - Great player as difficulty scales up.
5. Mike Sorice - Another very good player
6. Eric Mukherjee - I've only played 3-4 games against Eric, but I was always very impressed by the kind of buzzes he has. I remembered feeling somewhat victorious when I got a tossup on Rubisco playing against Eric. It was unfortunate that he missed both the national tournaments.
7. Dwight Wynne - Pretty solid player; seems like his only real depth is science, but he's got a lot of areas covered with fairly good proficiency.
8. Andrew Hart - Very good at a lot of lit, fine arts, and all kinds of science.
9. Selene Koo - Always amazes me with her ability to pull stuff in lit/history, but also fantastic science player.
10. Paul Drube - Paul is a pretty good player, but he's prone to negging a lot.
11. Shantanu Jha - Always been a very impressive player; he put up some great numbers at Regionals this year.
12. Chris Ray - Good generalist; seems to have toned down negging a lot.
13. Ted Gioia - I saw Ted play for the first time at ACF Nationals last year, and he had some great buzzes; He's been much better this year.
14. Rob Carson - Ever since SCT, Rob's just been surprising me by pulling stuff in every category imaginable.
15. Brian Lindquist - I feel like this guy is somewhat underrated; he was pretty good at ICT and ACF Nationals.
16. Kristian deGreeve - A good player on history, if I recall correctly. Hard to judge between Kristian and Brian.
17. Kurtis Droge - Kurtis has been a very impressive player.
18. Billy Beyer - Played with Billy Beyer at Westbrook's tournament, and was also able to pull a lot of stuff. I thought he was really quick on the buzzer, too.
19. Charlie Dees - Impressed me at MO.
20. Paul Gauthier - A good player, but doesn't seem to extend his reach into may categories; however, I enjoyed his amazing pull on "THe One Hoss Shay" at Minnesota Open.
21. Dallas Simons - A great generalist. Has a lot of years left in him.
22. Ray Luo - Seems like a good player. I don't think I've ever played against him, though.
23. Dominic Machado - A fine player on history, if if recall correctly.
24. Randall Maas - Again, it was tough to rank Dominic/ Randall; they are both equally good, in my opinion.
25. Auroni Gupta - I was impressed by his buzzes at nationals. Like other freshmen, has a lot of years left in him.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by marnold » Fri May 15, 2009 1:08 am

Um, so were there actual ballots emailed to you, Andrew?
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Jesus vs. Dragons » Thu May 21, 2009 6:23 pm

Although these players may not be as good as the aforementioned D-I players, I would like to make a quick little top 10 for CC players. Note - Some of these may have already graduated. I am making this on my knowledge and experience against them last year.

1. George Berry - JSR - No contest here, and I am sure this would be a unanimous pick for CC. His numbers alone make him the clear cut number 1. His knowledge of history is impressive, but he seems to be a very good generalist.

2. Casey Lowery - Northeast Alabama CC - As a freshman, his lit and history knowledge is very impressive. He has good buzzer skills and seems to be very well rounded as well. He helped lead his NEACC squad to the top CC sopt at ICT and 3rd at CCCT.

3. Chris Regner Broward CC - Excellent at history (and the Epic of Gilgamesh). All of my matches against him left me feeling as if his history knowledge was of a different level than you get on the CC circuit.

4. Robert Slade Georgia Perimeter - Very good lit expert. I only played against him once, but he sealed the deal on the last tossup with a power on some obscure lit clue pertaining to the word "darkness". His numbers at the CCCT and the tournament I played him are enough to put him at 4.

5. Jessica Collins - North Florida CC - Excellent lit and history expert. Every tournament we went to, we knew that NFCC was going to be one of our toughest opponents, and she was the reason behind that fear.

6. Andrew Levin - Valencia CC - I am not 100 percent sure what his specialty would be, but he is definitely a very good player. As Borglum will attest to, he does have a few interesting buzzes (At the FCCAA state championship, the leadin clue says "Our neighbors to the north..." at which point he buzzes in and says Canada, only one I can remember, but still pretty funny.) He played as a one man team at ICT and soundly defeated us, and I was pretty impressed by his overall knowledge.

7. Anthony Garrett Chipola CC - Practicing against him was no fun as the "B" teams lit guy. His lit knowledge is insane, and hopefully he decides to play for FSU.

8. Mark Morris - Snead State - Another very good generalist. He played outstanding against us at CCCT, including an interesting Kelly Clarkson power.

9. Chris Muto - Valencia CC - Excellent at science. He also has an impressive amount of myth knowledge. Also sported a pretty sweet lab coat at state as well.

10. Ethan Hewett - Chipola CC - I just felt like soothing my ego by putting myself in here. I am very impressed by his sports and trash knowledge, as well as his biology and lit knowledge, which is increasing every practice. Watch out Borglum lol
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by theMoMA » Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:26 pm

Hey, here are the results. I accidentally deleted the file, so I just hastily reconstructed this, and there might be mistakes. Sorry for the delay.

1. Andrew Yaphe
2. Seth Teitler
2. Jerry Vinokurov
4. Mike Sorice
5. Brendan Byrne
6. Eric Mukherjee
7. Dwight Wynne
8. Selene Koo
9. Chris Ray
10. Andrew Hart
11. Shantanu Jha
12. Paul Drube
13. Ted Gioia
14. Rob Carson
15. Dallas Simons
16. Randal Maas
17. Bruce Arthur
18. Evan Adams
19. Charlie Dees
20. Ike Jose
21. Dominic Machado
22. Billy Beyer
23. Paul Gauthier
24. Auroni Gupta
25. Gautam Kandlikar

Honorable mention (in order of votes received): Brian Lindquist, Aaron Rosenberg, Trevor Davis, Andy Watkins, Kurtis Droge, Kevin Koai, Garrett Ryan, Ray Luo, Jason Trig, Eric Kwartler, Ray Luo, Kristiaan de Greve, Gordon Arsenoff, Arnav Moudgil, Trygve Meade, Robert Harden, Dennis Jang, Jason Loy, Doug Yetman, Michael Arnold, Will Butler, and Anirudh Jangalapalli.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by cornfused » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:56 pm

Just for my own edification, where are Robert Harden and Jason Trig from?
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Post by cornfused » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:58 pm

Also,
theMoMA wrote:Ray Luo, Jason Trig, Eric Kwartler, Ray Luo
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Post by DumbJaques » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:01 pm

South Carolina and MIT. And you can never have too many Ray Luos.
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Post by wd4gdz » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:31 am

No Aaron Kashtan on the list....not even in the honorable mention list?!
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Ethnic history of the Vilnius region » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:36 am

I read for Aaron at NAQT SCT this year, and I was impressed. But did he play in any non-NAQT events in 08-09?
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by kittenblade » Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:49 pm

I just wanted to thank the person who posted for us poor CC people.
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Jesus vs. Dragons » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:28 am

kittenblade wrote:I just wanted to thank the person who posted for us poor CC people.
Hahaha well I had to bring at least a little bit of recognition to us didn't I?
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Ethnic history of the Vilnius region » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:51 am

I enjoyed seeing the CC poll as well. Sorry for being off the subject of this thread, but do either of you know which CC players are coming back next year, or, if not, where they might be continuing their educations?
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by 49-Mile Scenic Drive » Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:55 am

The Midnight Rider wrote:I enjoyed seeing the CC poll as well. Sorry for being off the subject of this thread, but do either of you know which CC players are coming back next year, or, if not, where they might be continuing their educations?
Speaking for Alabama, Casey and I are coming back. I'll let Borglum or someone speak for all the Florida teams.




edit: Or I could've remembered that there is a Returning CC Thread, excuse my stupidity
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Re: Player Poll 3.0

Post by Jesus vs. Dragons » Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:18 pm

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