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CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:03 pm

CULT (Competition on Usually Likable Trash) Nationals
Saturday and Sunday, June 26-27, 2010

ANNOUNCEMENT:

I am pleased to announce the first incarnation of CULT Nationals, a new national trash (popular culture) tournament. This tournament will take place at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, VA on Saturday and Sunday, June 26-27, 2010.

QUESTIONS:

The questions for this event are all being written by the editing team, teams do not need to submit packets. The editing team currently consists of Mike Bentley, David Letzler, Jonathan Magin, Sid Chandrasekhar and Christopher Greenwood. We are currently targeting 20 rounds of questions, although a few of them will be reserved for tie-breakers and finals.

The questions themselves will be written to the standards of modern quizbowl. We will be working very hard to make sure that tossups have clues in the right order and reward the teams with the most knowledge of a subject. The target length for tossups in this tournament is 7 Lines in 10 Point Times New Roman font with 1 inch margins. No tossups will exceed 8 lines. We will also be working hard on bonus consistency. I am hopeful that almost all of the questions for this tournament will be complete by the end of January to allow ample time for editing and play-testing.

I would encourage people to take a look at Chris McCray (http://quizbowl.stanford.edu/archive/cmk07/index.html) for an example of what trash questions of this type will generally look like (note that the distribution and difficulty of that tournament was slightly different than this tournament).

A note about the difficulty at this tournament: I expect that this tournament will end up being easier than what one may expect for a national tournament. Tossups are still going to be clue-dense and require significant knowledge of a subject to answer in the first few clues, but by the end I expect most teams to be converting most tossups. Additionally, I expect most teams to routinely be able to convert the easy part of bonuses. My main reasons for doing this are mostly expounded in a post I made following ACF Nationals last year on the difficulty of national tournaments. My main arguments there were that by upping the difficulty of these tournaments, we’re skewing the topics asked about in a peculiar and sometimes not beneficial way for the benefit of the top teams. By keeping the difficulty down (but still providing strictly pyramidal tossups and well-defined bonuses), the tournament can test both the top teams and the bottom teams at the tournament. Furthermore, for this specific tournament, I hope that a slightly lower difficulty will attract more teams and won’t put off the top teams due to the somewhat anti-canonical nature of trash questions.

The distribution will likely look like this:
4/4 Movies
4/4 TV
4/4 Music
4/4 Sports
1/1 Videogames
3/3 Other (Comics, Internet, Trash Lit, Consumerama, Cross-Disciplinary Questions, Everything Else)

There’s a slight possibility that TV might get bumped down to 3.5/3.5 or 3/3 and Other increased a little bit.

The packets will not be themed.

SCHEDULE:

This will be a two day tournament. We plan to run somewhere around 10-12 rounds on Saturday, 6/27/10 and the remaining rounds on Sunday, 6/28/10. I expect the main event to go no later than 4 PM on Sunday.

Since this is a summer tournament attracting what will hopefully be a large field, I am open to having side events on Friday, Saturday and/or Sunday night. I will give precedence to trash events, but am willing to have academic (or hybrid) side tournaments if no one comes forward with satisfactory side events.

Details about when and where to meet on Saturday and Sunday will be forthcoming.

ELIGIBILITY:

All teams are eligible to compete in this tournament, regardless of school affiliation.

Teams do not need to qualify for this tournament.

There will be a cap of 32 teams for this tournament. Spots will be reserved on a first-come-first-serve basis. Depending on how many teams we get interested in the tournament, it’s possible that teams registering late may need to provide a down payment to guarantee their entry in the tournament. More details on this will be announced later.

PRICING:

+$160 Base Fee per Team
-$20 Discount per Team for paying before 4/15/10
-$20 Discount for a 2nd team from a school
-$40 Discount for a 3rd or more team from a school
-$10 Working Buzzer (at least 8 functional ports) Discount per School
-$40 Discount for a competent staffer who staffs both days per School
-$5 Discount per player on a team for traveling from the Pacific Time Zone (e.g. a team of 4 players from California will receive a $20 discount)
+$25 Penalty per Team per Day for arriving after the posted registration time
Minimum Fee per Team: $80

Make checks payable to “Michael Bentley”.

Teams that have not paid by registration on Saturday, June 26th (without working out a prior agreement) will not be allowed to play.

TRAVEL DETAILS:

VCU will be providing further details on the best way to get to campus, local hotel guides and some recommendations for things to do in Richmond besides playing in this tournament.

RULES:

We will use standard ACF rules at this tournament, with the following added rule: Any use of pseudonyms will result in forfeiture of all rounds where pseudonyms are used. You’re free to call your team whatever you want, but individual pseudonyms make it far more difficult to keep stats and slow down the entire tournament.

There will not be lames at this tournament.

STAFFING:

We are in great need of volunteers to staff this tournament. We would like to be able to support up to 32 teams, meaning we’ll need at least 18 staffers. Ideally, we’d like to have closer to 32 staffers to ensure that every room has a moderator and a scorekeeper.

We’ll be providing lunch to staffers on both days of the tournament, and dinner on Saturday. We can probably also arrange to pay for some or all of the travel cost for staffers arriving by car.

If you are interested in staffing, please e-mail me at cultquizbowl@gmail.com.

TO REGISTER:

To officially register your team, please send me an e-mail at cultquizbowl@gmail.com.

Thanks,
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:04 pm

Current Field (as of 6/20):

Officially Registered Teams:
Luna Brothers et al (1)
Alexander Poon et al (1)
Delaware (2)
Eric Douglass et al (1)
NC Wesleyan (1)
Dan Goff et al (1)
Chris Ray, Jeremy Eaton, Adam Fine, Ben Frank (1)
Mike Cheyne, Rob Carson, David Seal, Michael Arnold (1)
Logan Anbinder, SteveJon Guth, Monica Remmers, Mystery Guest (1)

Probably Not Coming:
"Some Ohio State People" (1)

Free Agents:
Delano Barnes?
Greg Weinstein? (may be coming with a team)
Dave Porter
Nick Petrilli?
William Rainey?
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:04 pm

This post is reserved for VCU's Richmond travel guide.
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Post by Cheynem » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:26 pm

I don't want to speak for Fred, but perhaps the Movie tournament if completed by then could get hitched to this.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:41 pm

Cheynem wrote:I don't want to speak for Fred, but perhaps the Movie tournament if completed by then could get hitched to this.
This would be a good idea, if it's completed then.
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Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:38 pm

This sounds fun.

I'm thinking about writing a trashy side tournament. Something like this tournament goes to 11 (with less rounds of course), except you only have 4 players to split between 2 rounds. Of course, everything would packet would be a trash topic or a trashy theme.
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Post by Papa's in the House » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:31 am

Several car-related incidents preclude me from having the money necessary to attend this. <- EDITED
nalin wrote:This sounds fun.

I'm thinking about writing a trashy side tournament. Something like this tournament goes to 11 (with less rounds of course), except you only have 4 players to split between 2 rounds. Of course, everything would packet would be a trash topic or a trashy theme.
Do you mean to say that you are writing a tournament in which your team of 4 will have to play as two teams of 2 that play in simultaneously conducted rounds; or that this field is only limited to 4 people? Perhaps you could clarify this.

EDIT: Once this clarification is made (and I see it), I'll remove this post so as to not unnecessarily clutter up this thread.
EDITx2: First off, thanks for the clarification (down post). Second, it appears this post is here to stay unless some moderator wanders to this thread and deletes it for me (or someone informs me of how to delete it).
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:04 am

starwarsguy6 wrote:I will (hopefully) play this (and any side events), but I won't be able to give a definitive answer until next semester.
nalin wrote:This sounds fun.

I'm thinking about writing a trashy side tournament. Something like this tournament goes to 11 (with less rounds of course), except you only have 4 players to split between 2 rounds. Of course, everything would packet would be a trash topic or a trashy theme.
Do you mean to say that you are writing a tournament in which your team of 4 will have to play as two teams of 2 that play in simultaneously conducted rounds; or that this field is only limited to 4 people? Perhaps you could clarify this.

EDIT: Once this clarification is made (and I see it), I'll remove this post so as to not unnecessarily clutter up this thread.

Your team of 4 will play as 2 teams of 2 on simultaneously conducted rounds.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by cornfused » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:18 pm

à la TGTT11?
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Post by Frater Taciturnus » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:27 pm

cornfused wrote:à la TGTT11?
nalin wrote:. Something like this tournament goes to 11 (with less rounds of course)
I am going to say yes
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Post by Broad-tailed Grassbird » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:16 pm

cornfused wrote:à la TGTT11?
Inspired by TGTT11, but in Trash form only. I feel its the only way you can run a trash topic packet, without alienating a significant part of the field in any given round.
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Post by fizzball » Mon Dec 21, 2009 7:31 pm

nalin wrote:
cornfused wrote:à la TGTT11?
Inspired by TGTT11, but in Trash form only. I feel its the only way you can run a trash topic packet, without alienating a significant part of the field in any given round.

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Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:17 pm

This is a reminder that I'd really appreciate it if teams let me know as soon as possible if they're coming (or at least have interest in coming) so we can plan how many staff and rooms we'll need.
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Post by Cheynem » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:24 pm

I'd like to come, but the dates and distance are not particularly great for me. We will see.
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Post by Auks Ran Ova » Thu Feb 25, 2010 6:50 pm

Cheynem wrote:I'd like to come, but the dates and distance are not particularly great for me. We will see.
What he said.
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Post by Demonic Leftovers » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:22 pm

I'm probably going to play this but I can't say for sure yet.
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Post by gregpweinstein » Thu Feb 25, 2010 7:23 pm

I am interested in coming as a free agent, and maybe a team. Ill talk to some people this weekend at my tournament and let you know, if I can get them to travel up there
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Post by Charlie and Lolcat » Fri Feb 26, 2010 12:51 am

If I can arrange the funding, I plan to play in this. If I can't come up with it in full, I'll be happy to free agent for somebody.
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Post by stevebahnaman » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:01 pm

Is there any chance you guys could add some year targets to the distro? Like how much from each decade or something like that? If my first choices for teammates fall through this may affect who I try to get to play with me. And which sets we practice on. I imagine I'm not the only one in that boat.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:54 pm

Generally it's around 2/2 after 1990 and 2/2 before 1990 for movies, music and television. Sports probably balance a little more recent.
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Post by gambit86 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:03 pm

The Luna brothers, Jason and myself, will be coming. At the moment I am trying to find 1 or 2 other people to make a whole team but if we can't, we could be free agents, or just play as the two of us, whichever one makes the tournament run more smoothly.
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Post by Mike Bentley » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:36 pm

FYI I've posted the first field update. See the second post in the thread.
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Post by Jamnman23 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:38 pm

I am interested in coming to this. I don't know whether I will have to be a free agent or if I can get some kind of team together.
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Post by DumbJaques » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:06 am

Some remnant of the 08-09 MAQT trash team will be attending this - perhaps with two groups, but we'll have one at least.
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Post by Theory Of The Leisure Flask » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:45 pm

I expect to be playing this in some capacity.
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Post by AKKOLADE » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:00 am

I would like to play in this; being able to is a different matter.
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Post by Demonic Leftovers » Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:52 pm

I'm about 95% certain I'm going to play this. I am trying to get some of my Chicago teammates to play but that appears unlikely. So for now I'll call myself a free agent.
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Post by Cheynem » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:09 pm

I am seriously doubting I will be able to play this. I understand it is a national tournament, but is there any chance of like a delayed mirror? I'd like to play this in a tournament-style setting, not just at drunken practices.
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Post by Red-necked Phalarope » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:24 pm

I'll be here if it doesn't conflict with any fieldwork or academic obligations (so probably 50/50); dunno who I'll be playing with yet, though.
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Post by adosreme » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:30 pm

After having talked with some people at the Guelph mirror of MUT, I can say that I am likely to attend this (maybe as a free agent though...it depends how Mac's plans turn out)
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Post by Cheynem » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:49 pm

After a more favorable prescription for summer finances came through, I'm about 80% sure I'll be here. Barring a Minnesota team traveling out to this, I'll be a free agent and I'd definitely like to play with someone with a car since I would be flying out here.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:41 am

What is the policy on outside staff?

If I can swing it, I would be willing to make it three national tournaments in June.

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Post by Mike Bentley » Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:49 am

dtaylor4 wrote:What is the policy on outside staff?

If I can swing it, I would be willing to make it three national tournaments in June.
I don't think we have the budget to pay for much in the way of transportation or lodging costs, but we'd certainly welcome any outside staff helping out.
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Post by dtaylor4 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:58 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:
dtaylor4 wrote:What is the policy on outside staff?

If I can swing it, I would be willing to make it three national tournaments in June.
I don't think we have the budget to pay for much in the way of transportation or lodging costs, but we'd certainly welcome any outside staff helping out.
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Post by I'm a goff (in case you couldn't tell) » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:50 pm

Cheynem wrote:After a more favorable prescription for summer finances came through, I'm about 80% sure I'll be here. Barring a Minnesota team traveling out to this, I'll be a free agent and I'd definitely like to play with someone with a car since I would be flying out here.
Somewhat related, I heard recently that Delta is going to resume nonstop flights between RIC and MSP on June 11.
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Post by TheCzarMan » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:17 pm

I'd enjoy playing this tournament, preferably with a group of other Mid-Atlantic/Northeast/NYC Metro area players that I can travel with. I am rather proficient at Trash as well if that's any incentive at all, which I imagine is minuscule.
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Post by Cheynem » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:08 pm

I'm now definitely going to be here. Anyone interested in either playing this with me/going in on lodging or transportation?

This is also the weekend of my birthday.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:36 pm

Cheynem wrote:I'm now definitely going to be here. Anyone interested in either playing this with me/going in on lodging or transportation?

This is also the weekend of my birthday.
Gonna see if I can work this out; if I can I'd certainly be interested in doing these things.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Geringer » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:49 pm

Cheynem wrote:I'm now definitely going to be here. Anyone interested in either playing this with me/going in on lodging or transportation?

This is also the weekend of my birthday.
I'd be down for playing this, and especially if you were planning on driving, I could probably find my way up to Michigan and would be willing to chip in majorly to lodging costs, etc.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Cheynem » Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:09 pm

I'd be coming to this from Minnesota and not driving.

EDIT: More or less have a team now.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:26 pm

As a reminder, the early registration deadline is coming up soon. If you want to save $20 on your registration fee, you should do so by 4/15.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Sat May 08, 2010 6:34 pm

I've updated the field. It would be great if more teams signed up for this tournament. We've written a bunch of good questions for this tournament and it would be a shame if only a small field gets to play it.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Cheynem » Sat May 08, 2010 6:35 pm

For the record, my team is definitely coming now and is myself, Rob, the charming, gregarious David Seal, and the mercurial, nefarious Michael Arnold.
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sat May 08, 2010 6:37 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I've updated the field. It would be great if more teams signed up for this tournament. We've written a bunch of good questions for this tournament and it would be a shame if only a small field gets to play it.
Mike Cheyne, David Seal, Michael Arnold, and I have formed a team (I believe).
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Cheynem » Sat May 08, 2010 6:40 pm

TOO SLOW
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sat May 08, 2010 6:55 pm

Cheynem wrote:TOO SLOW
Man, the forum didn't even warn me!
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by The King's Flight to the Scots » Sat May 08, 2010 7:35 pm

Ukonvasara wrote:
Cheynem wrote:TOO SLOW
Man, the forum didn't even warn me!
no rob you are the forum
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Sat May 08, 2010 8:02 pm

Cantaloupe (disambiguation) wrote:
Ukonvasara wrote:
Cheynem wrote:TOO SLOW
Man, the forum didn't even warn me!
no rob you are the forum
No! You will BE KILL BY FORUM

(on a more serious note, teams should totally come to this tournament!)
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by adosreme » Sun May 09, 2010 3:32 am

Ukonvasara wrote:(on a more serious note, teams should totally come to this tournament!)
I'm working on it...I will update you again in a few weeks if it turns out I need a team
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Re: CULT Nationals - VCU - 6/26/10-6/27/10

Post by Mike Bentley » Wed May 12, 2010 11:02 am

nalin wrote:This sounds fun.

I'm thinking about writing a trashy side tournament. Something like this tournament goes to 11 (with less rounds of course), except you only have 4 players to split between 2 rounds. Of course, everything would packet would be a trash topic or a trashy theme.
Is this still happening? Also, are you and/or other Michigan State people coming to the tournament?
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