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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by djayboots » Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:13 pm

Hey, I'm not very good at trash and would like to play this. Any takers?
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by bcarbery » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:08 am

Hey, I'm not very good at trash and would like to play this. Any takers?
I'm bringing a team if there is room and we have room for one. I'd like to think we're good at trash but I'm sure we'll get destroyed by this field.

EDIT: We've found a fourth that I know well and has trash experience and is the President of a question writing company.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:23 pm

I just updated the field and there are 13 teams fully registered and enough to shake out approx. three more, so I'll cap the field at 16 teams. As it stands, because the room situation is a little touch and go, we may only have 7 rooms, so 16 is already taking a bit of a chance given the room (and staffing) situation. I'm pretty confident there's at least one room that will be available for most of the day that we can't officially get, which will take us up to 8.

Also, I've had a few questions about when this will end. I'm a little hesitant to answer just because the rooms etc. are so in flux, but I think last year this tournament ended between 5 and 6 (with no need for a final). Assuming there are no disasters, I can't imagine this lasting past 7.

So finish coalescing people into teams and email me. If you want to staff, you get a free lunch.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by goblue16 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:49 pm

I am not sure the exact schedule for all the side tournaments, but if this does not conflict with either the lit or fine arts tournaments then I can staff.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Kanga-Rat Murder Society » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:19 pm

Final Edit: My team is complete, as I will be joined by Devin West, Stephen Liu, and Kevin Koai.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:23 am

goblue16 wrote:I am not sure the exact schedule for all the side tournaments, but if this does not conflict with either the lit or fine arts tournaments then I can staff.
It does not conflict.
bcarbery wrote:
Hey, I'm not very good at trash and would like to play this. Any takers?
I'm bringing a team if there is room and we have room for one. I'd like to think we're good at trash but I'm sure we'll get destroyed by this field.

EDIT: We've found a fourth that I know well and has trash experience and is the President of a question writing company.
You already are part of a registered team and I'm not sure who you're referring to with the second part. Is this the same team?
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:28 am

Also, note that because Auroni Gupta is awesome, this tournament will have a decent number of video game tossups, including some that aren't on individual factions from Alpha Centauri or on "Motorstorm," the free game that came with my PS3.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by gyre and gimble » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:12 am

Due to confusion on my part about when this tournament was happening, I thought I wouldn't be able to go, but now I want to, so if there's a spot on any teams left for me to take, I'll take it. If not, I'm perfectly willing to staff.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by ieppler » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:53 am

Oh, in case my silence was unclear, I'm playing this with Charlie and Bernadette.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Rothlover » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:34 pm

As I understand it, Chris Romero, Henry Gorman, Ted Stratton and I are a team.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:07 pm

If I'm doing my figurin' correctly, we can still run 18 teams in 8 real rooms, just with a bye in each bracket. I'd rather have a bye that turn teams away, so the cap is now 18. Hopefully UIC comes through and we can bracket so a bye isn't necessary.

In terms of logistics, I'd like to start registration at 8:30 (location TBA). Teams will go to rooms at 9 and games will start at 9:15 no matter what.

Also, I've been sort of assuming there will be tons of buzzers floating around because it's CO weekend, but we should probably count. I know Chicago has 1 that works - what other buzzers will be there?
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by sds » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:46 pm

3 buzzers from Michigan.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by DumbJaques » Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:57 pm

Eric M., Dallas, Jerry, and I are playing together.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by jdd2007 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:44 pm

A team consisting of me, Brendan Byrne, Kirun Sankaran and Andy Sekerak will play this.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Mon Jul 19, 2010 6:57 pm

I'll have a buzzer system.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by evilmonkey » Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:02 pm

I'll have a buzzer system.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by jready » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:03 am

My team is now me, Jared Sagoff, Delano Barnes, and Tyler Smith.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Theory Of The Leisure Flask » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:35 pm

I can't make it to CO anymore, so cross my name off the free-agent list.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by mlaird » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:09 pm

With regards to Carbery, he's leaving our team and striking out on his own, and Brad is simply leaving our team since he apparently is busy having a baby or whatever. So I guess Peterson and I are looking for two more? Anybody who knows any sports would be great to have, but we'll take anyone who will be fun to play with.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:08 pm

Okay, I don't understand what the hell is going on with that entire team, so here's what I'm going to propose: that spot in the field is going to be taken by the OSU+Brendan Byrne team, then I'm going to suggest Matt Laird and Greg Peterson round out the Bernadette/Charlie/Ian Eppler team. That will make the team 5 people, so they'll get some sort of discounted entry. That also gives us the 18 teams that make things nice to work with. (6-6-6 RR, then 6-6-6 cross-bracket RR then a 2 packets for a final , or if we can't fit that in the rooms 9-9 RR then final).
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:09 am

Laird and I are in talks with the OSU team by email - it looks like a possible OSU-Laird-Peterson team would be possible (Jacob is willing to staff if necessary) if Brendan is OK playing with his fellow Minnesotans.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Edward Elric » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:26 am

I may not have Jon Coletti on my team so I may have to pick up a free agent. Key word MAY. I'll know soon if Sam stops being a deadbeat.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:07 am

marnold wrote:Okay, I don't understand what the hell is going on with that entire team
What I think is going on: Fischer has dropped out. Carbery is under the impression that he has left Laird/Peterson and formed his own team including, I think, Jeff Geringer. Laird and I are still intending to play, possibly in some sort of merger with OSU.

If 20 teams is a manageable number, then OSU/Byrne and Carbery's team would bring the field to 20 with Laird and I in search of two teammates but still on our own team... we could pick up Westbrook and Nalin, if they still want to play.

If 20's not OK, then see my previous post, but I think Carbery is under the impression that a team separate from the Laird/Peterson team is currently registered.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:48 pm

cornfused wrote:
marnold wrote:Okay, I don't understand what the hell is going on with that entire team
What I think is going on: Fischer has dropped out. Carbery is under the impression that he has left Laird/Peterson and formed his own team including, I think, Jeff Geringer. Laird and I are still intending to play, possibly in some sort of merger with OSU.

If 20 teams is a manageable number, then OSU/Byrne and Carbery's team would bring the field to 20 with Laird and I in search of two teammates but still on our own team... we could pick up Westbrook and Nalin, if they still want to play.

If 20's not OK, then see my previous post, but I think Carbery is under the impression that a team separate from the Laird/Peterson team is currently registered.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by dtaylor4 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:12 pm

People from Illinois, screwing up logistics? Yep, unprecedented.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by abnormal abdomen » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:59 pm

I'm just posting here to further encourage the whole idea of people posting in this thread to inform everyone of how many buzzer systems people are bringing. This is specifically for people who will be playing/staffing/present in both CO Trash in CO Fine Arts, the tournament that I'm organizing. It'll take place right after CO Trash. Thread here, if you need it:

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Geringer » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:14 pm

So based on the numbers, it looks like the Illinois teams fit together if I decide to drop. I can't get a sub for work. Sorry about the late notice.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:28 pm

Not so sure about that, Jeff - doesn't Ben have three people?




Matt and I have found a third and maybe a fourth, so we'd like to keep our spot in the field, Marnold.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by No Rules Westbrook » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:36 pm

I'm happy to staff this, if needed (maybe in the secret ninth room located in a hollowed out tree on the quad).
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:20 pm

Ok, the Laird team is now Laird, Peterson, Warren Frost-Grabner, and (probably) Tom Egan.
I guess this is team #19 and Carbery's is #20, if OSU has officially taken our spot in the field.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by vizcacha » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:44 pm

This team

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7. Erik Nelson, Steven Canning, Sulee Cao, Jeet Raut

Sorry for the late notice on the change, but this should not affect any other teams' rosters.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:15 am

Is this a joke? Has it fallen to me to explain this? When you register for a tournament you say "hey I'm going to play the tournament, and these are the people I'm playing with." Then you play the tournament. With those people. If there are changes that need to be made, that's fine, things happen. But keep the TD abreast of the situation. Pay attention to when the field is filling up. Don't attempt to register making coy allusions to your potential teammates. All of these things strike me as obvious, but apparently not universally. God knows I wish everyone could play this tournament since it means more money for me, but I'm already counting on 1 more room than we have assigned to us... and that includes rooms in buildings that are a block away! Yet more and more people keep signing up to play. I'm flattered you all want to play, but it's like rats jumping onto a sinking ship!

So no, 20 teams doesn't work. Unless some more rooms materialize, this tournament will be 18 teams. Period. Maybe Saturday will prove that squatting in Harper isn't a problem. In fact, people can come by the busload on Sunday morning and see what happens - I'll make schedules for 18, 20, and 21 teams, just in case. But as it stands there will be 18 teams. And I can also tell you that BEN CARBERY'S TEAM O' MYSTERY will not be playing this tournament since I still have never received any email from them registering, let alone them even telling me explicitly who is on their team.

I'm a solutions oriented guy though, so here's one suggestion. Illinois people: would you like to hold a mirror of this set later for the people who can't play this site? It seems there's at least a dozen or so people interested who might not make it into the main field, but if you want to see the set I'm certainly amenable to some kind of arrangement.

If that doesn't work out, here's the situation: Bernadette, Charlie and Ian are currently in the field and playing with 3 people: they should take on 1 free agent no matter what because short-handed teams will not be allowed given how many people want to play this. I would much prefer they take on a free agent from the set of OSU+Brendan+Greg+Matt Laird group who are all trying to get into this tournament like the Three Stooges get through a door. Then the rest can play as a group of 5. Or maybe they can't because 8 more people and 3 more teams will sign up. Frankly, I don't care that much because hopefully it will work itself out by Sunday morning, or if it doesn't I will make arbitrary decisions to get the field down to 18 because that's the largest I feel comfortable with unless more rooms (and staffers) become available.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by mlaird » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:30 am

Or you could just let Greg and I keep our spot that we registered for many months in advance, playing with the two new people that Greg described above. This is not unlike what Steven Canning's team just did. Greg and I never asked to be removed from the field and we never said we weren't going to fill our remaining roster spots.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Cheynem » Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:31 am

Further adding to the hilarity is a "rumor" I have heard that Joe Hansen is actually the fourth on Bernadette, Charlie, and Ian's team.

I can only hope such crazy roster changes don't harm this tournament...PERMANENTLY.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Terrible Shorts Depot » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:05 am

grapesmoker wrote:Autobiography of a Lungworm (Dan Passner, Joe Hansen, Jacob Durst, Kirun) - no packet, $120
Unless Joe is, for some reason, not coming to CO despite having the above team for the main event, we are playing with Joe.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Papa's in the House » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:42 am

mlaird wrote:Or you could just let Greg and I keep our spot that we registered for many months in advance, playing with the two new people that Greg described above. This is not unlike what Steven Canning's team just did. Greg and I never asked to be removed from the field and we never said we weren't going to fill our remaining roster spots.
Unless Ctrl+F fails me, Steven Canning's team never asked to be removed from the field, they just had to switch teammates, which was something they stated they might need to do from their very first post.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Dan-Don » Thu Jul 22, 2010 12:23 pm

Roster changes. With Carbery's team out, Ben Carbery will be playing on my team in place of Ryan Gilmore. Andrew Deveau may have to leave early and will be replaced by Nolan Winkler in that event.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Captain Sinico » Thu Jul 22, 2010 1:24 pm

I'm bringing 3 buzzer systems, one of which has only 7 reliable lights.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:05 pm

mlaird wrote:Or you could just let Greg and I keep our spot that we registered for many months in advance, playing with the two new people that Greg described above. This is not unlike what Steven Canning's team just did. Greg and I never asked to be removed from the field and we never said we weren't going to fill our remaining roster spots.
This.
marnold wrote:If there are changes that need to be made, that's fine, things happen.
So when we lost Carbery and Fischer, we said we'd like to add Egan and Frost-Grabner. That's all. We had a spot in the field, and I don't see why that spot - now the eighteenth spot - should be taken from us.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:17 pm

Papa's in the House wrote:
mlaird wrote:Or you could just let Greg and I keep our spot that we registered for many months in advance, playing with the two new people that Greg described above. This is not unlike what Steven Canning's team just did. Greg and I never asked to be removed from the field and we never said we weren't going to fill our remaining roster spots.
Unless Ctrl+F fails me, Steven Canning's team never asked to be removed from the field, they just had to switch teammates, which was something they stated they might need to do from their very first post.
That's what "not unlike" means - they didn't, and neither did we.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by mlaird » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:13 pm

cornfused wrote:That's what "not unlike" means - they didn't, and neither did we.
That's litotes, holmes. Know your literary devices.

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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:27 pm

mlaird wrote:Or you could just let Greg and I keep our spot that we registered for many months in advance
I pretty likely will, but I'd be less annoyed about having to do it if it didn't mean I was turning away people that are (1) on teams that are an active part of the college circuit, (2) coming into town from many hours away and (3) playing the academic tournament that's the actual point of CO weekend. I reiterate that I would prefer it if you and Greg would team with some subset of the OSU+Brendan people rather than draft people at the last second because they happen to live 30 minutes away; you don't have to and I guess I don't particularly expect my irritation to matter to you, but there you go.

By the way, since Ike is crowing in the other thread, I'll announce the questions for this have been done for a couple days now, minus a couple bonuses I might need to write because I can't appropriately use an answer matrix.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:54 pm

I've been talking to OSU by email for a while now - I've already offered to take on two of their players, but Jacob was under the impression that another spot in the field would open up.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by jdd2007 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:17 pm

What I said, Greg, was that with 17 other full squads, one of them might need to pick up a player from this monstrous 18th team of ours. It is hardly unknown for trash teams to fall apart mere days before a tournament.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:37 pm

OK, then I guess we'll play it by ear.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:30 pm

Would someone be willing to check this for errors? I think everything looks right, but better safe than sorry.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by cornfused » Fri Jul 23, 2010 3:02 pm

Team 18 is now Peterson/Laird/Sankaran/Sekerak/Byrne, with Durst staffing.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by marnold » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:22 pm

cornfused wrote:Team 18 is now Peterson/Laird/Sankaran/Sekerak/Byrne, with Durst staffing.
Awesome, thank you very much. I'm glad this worked out in (by my reckoning at least) the best way. Because this team was forced together by my heavy hand and has 5 people, I'll let you play for $15 per person.

That means of the schedules I made above, Option C is not going to happen; if we have enough rooms we'll do A (which is better since it gives some bracketed playoffs and has no byes) but we might have to settle for schedule B.
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by fizzball » Sat Jul 24, 2010 11:46 am

What time Sunday? Should people not playing today expect 8-8:30 @ Harper, as with CO proper?

Edit: with the caveat that going late Saturday may also affect Sunday's start?
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Re: Announcement: Paul Goodman Memorial Open

Post by Edward Elric » Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:10 pm

I'm sorry to say this but Nalin or any other free agents, would you be interested in joining my team? I learned today that Jon and Sam both dropped. I apologize to Marnold and Charles for this. Message me if you want to join our team.
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