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Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:26 am
by Geringer
Land of Lincoln Throwdown: Generic Illinois Tournament #001
Saturday June 26, 2010 at Maine South High School in Park Ridge, IL

ANNOUNCEMENT:

This is an announcement for a trash tournament/social event hosted in late June with an accompanying fine arts tournament. The day will start with a trash tournament, continue with BELFAST, the fine arts set, and culminate in a large dinner at a local restaurant. Players can certainly choose only one or two of the options if necessary and we would be totally open to players for the tournaments from other areas who don't want to take part in the Illinois fanfare.

WHAT THIS TOURNAMENT IS FOR:

This tournament is meant to pit the coaches and other quizbowl luminaries of Illinois against their current and former players. In order to bring about improvement in our state, we need to build cohesiveness and I feel like a quizbowl tournament would be a good networking event and would provide an opportunity to sit down and talk business for the 2010-2011 season.

In addition, all proceeds will go towards funding the nationals bid of a first-time team in need of funds. (Funds will be applied for and distributed at a later date)

PRICING:

I will be charging $15 per person for CULT and $10 per person for BELFAST.

TRAVEL DETAILS:

Maine South is located in Park Ridge, a near Western suburb of Chicago. There are plenty of hotels, motels, Holiday Inns, and (I assume) willing hosts to bunk deserving folks from outside of the Chicago area if necessary.

RULES:

Standard mACF with powers and negs but no "trash-only" rules like lames and all-or-nothings.

QUESTIONS:

The trash portion of the day will use Mike Bentley's CULT set. The fine arts tournament will be using BELFAST, written by the cool kids over at Bellarmine HS.

STAFFING:

I think I have enough dedicated moderators to avoid having teams play on bye-rounds for the trash. We definitely have enough staff for BELFAST.

TO REGISTER:

Make a forum post in here or drop me an email at geringe1@illinois.edu. Free agents or teams are welcome to register.

I hope to offer something for everyone with this tournament and look forward to seeing you guys out at Maine South on June 26th.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:26 am
by Geringer
I will start registration at 9:00am in my yet-to-be-determined tournament central.

Park in Maine South's SOUTH parking lot (near the tennis courts). There is a set of doors overlooking the tennis courts. Enter through those doors. I'll put some signs up that will lead you to tournament central.

As posted upthread, the fees for the trash portion will be $15 per person. I would prefer cash, but checks can be made out to Robert Geringer, my legal name.

I reserve the right to make some minor adjustments to free agent teams on the field. I obviously don't want to make anyone mad, but in order to get an even number of teams I may have to combine a team or two. Within the next three days, I hope to make a finalized team manifest and will give you guys some time to complain.

As for BELFAST, I hope to make it a doubles tournament, so please post who you would like to play with or register as a free agent. BELFAST will be $10/person.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:27 am
by Geringer
FIELD
Dan Donohue, Brad Fischer, Kristen Strey, Greg Peterson
Charles Martin, Warren alum, Frank Firke, Viator Alum
Colby Burnett, Jeremy White, and Brian Hight
Riley, Laudermith, Houlding, and Laird
El Equipo de Carbery
Nick Bergeon, David Garb, Greg Ward, and Jack Glerum
Mike Sorice, Jeet Raut, Micah Hodosh


STAFF
Jeff Geringer
Nolan Winkler
Robert Volgman
Tegan

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:45 am
by Dan-Don
You know I'm in! Is this gonna be like an open thing where we can form our own teams?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:49 am
by Geringer
Dan-Don wrote:You know I'm in! Is this gonna be like an open thing where we can form our own teams?
I just added it into the announcements, but I'm content with either free agent, partial team, or full team registrations.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:53 am
by Dan-Don
KHAAAAN please wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:You know I'm in! Is this gonna be like an open thing where we can form our own teams?
I just added it into the announcements, but I'm content with either free agent, partial team, or full team registrations.
No I mean like, are we encouraged to mix and match? Or are players supposed to play as their schools?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:29 am
by David Riley
As coaches are included, will the trash part of the tournament include anything pre-1990?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:52 am
by Mike Bentley
I would strongly encourage you not to hold this tournament on the same weekend as CULT.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:19 am
by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I would strongly encourage you not to hold this tournament on the same weekend as CULT.
Would there be that much worry of attendance overlap?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:41 am
by Mike Bentley
Dresden_The_Moderator wrote:
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I would strongly encourage you not to hold this tournament on the same weekend as CULT.
Would there be that much worry of attendance overlap?
I think there could at least be some overlap. I obviously have no power to stop this tournament from being held on this date if the TD's really want to, but it seems to me there are probably some other weekends in the summer on which this tournament can be held that don't conflict with one of the two trash tournaments already announced.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:52 pm
by Dan-Don
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:
Dresden_The_Moderator wrote:
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I would strongly encourage you not to hold this tournament on the same weekend as CULT.
Would there be that much worry of attendance overlap?
I think there could at least be some overlap. I obviously have no power to stop this tournament from being held on this date if the TD's really want to, but it seems to me there are probably some other weekends in the summer on which this tournament can be held that don't conflict with one of the two trash tournaments already announced.
I can't speak for Jeff and Mr. Egan, but I know the date had a lot to do with the availability of the Maine South building. As far as I know, no member of this tournament's intended audience is going to be involved with CULT.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:55 pm
by David Riley
Unless Jeff plans to use the U of I crew as moderators.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:59 pm
by Papa's in the House
I don't think a great deal of the UIUC contingent is going to CULT. Put me down as a free agent for this.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:12 pm
by jonah
I will x this. You choose the verb, Geringer, but I reserve veto rights.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:44 pm
by Irreligion in Bangladesh
Kristin and I are quite interested in this. Quite.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 2:58 pm
by Cheynem
I obviously will be at CULT, but you might want to clarify if only Illinois people can play this tournament.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:19 pm
by Geringer
Dan-Don wrote:No I mean like, are we encouraged to mix and match? Or are players supposed to play as their schools?
I think it would be cool to play with mixed teams, although "Alums of (School)" is always a cool team bet. I think teams should reflect who you would have fun playing with.
David Riley wrote:As coaches are included, will the trash part of the tournament include anything pre-1990?
I am assuming that the set, produced by people older than me, will have considerable amounts of pre-1990 questions. Once I receive the set, I'll actually knock out a distribution for you guys.
Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I would strongly encourage you not to hold this tournament on the same weekend as CULT.
The nice fellow who is renting me rooms felt that this date would work best. It was the earliest date I could find that didn't conflict with a large percentage of my field. That said, the people that are attending your tournament in Virginia have most likely already made plans for that and wont be attending my inferior tournament. It's regretful that it has to occur on the same day.
Cheynem wrote:I obviously will be at CULT, but you might want to clarify if only Illinois people can play this tournament.
As this is the same weekend as CULT, I'd like to see the real hardcore trash players make the trip to VCU. That said, this tournament is open to any and all folks who would like to play the set. Conversely, the dinner is also available for those who don't want to play quizbowl.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:49 pm
by Dan-Don
What are you looking at for an academic set?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:10 pm
by jdeliverer
If there's an academic set being played at some point, I'll definitely play both. If not, I may come anyway. I'm almost sure I'm in town at that point.

Incidentally, what are "lames" and "all-or-nothings"?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:18 pm
by Dominator
I would love to do this but you chose my son's second birthday to hold it.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:25 pm
by mlaird
I will show up to this.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:51 pm
by Boeing X-20, Please!
Hey, I'm all for summer quizbowl fun, and trash is alright BUT I feel that quizbowl in the summer should be QUIZBOWL in the summer. I'd much rather we secure a solid academic set and focus more on that than the trash. I'm all for doing the whole informal hey, this is getting boring lets play some trash or having mutiple side events or whatever, but this really should be a fun tournament for everybody in illinois in the summer and the best way to accomplish that is by playing a real academic set.
KHAAAN please wrote:In order to bring about improvement in our state, we need to play more real quizbowl instead of having like 4 trash events during the year
I think that has been fixed nicely.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 6:54 pm
by abnormal abdomen
Secretary of Bobcats wrote:Hey, I'm all for summer quizbowl fun, and trash is alright BUT I feel that quizbowl in the summer should be QUIZBOWL in the summer. I'd much rather we secure a solid academic set and focus more on that than the trash. I'm all for doing the whole informal hey, this is getting boring lets play some trash or having mutiple side events or whatever, but this really should be a fun tournament for everybody in illinois in the summer and the best way to accomplish that is by playing a real academic set.
KHAAAN please wrote:In order to bring about improvement in our state, we need to play more real quizbowl instead of having like 4 trash events during the year
I think that has been fixed nicely.
I agree with this. I'd prefer an academic set.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:19 pm
by Irreligion in Bangladesh
Your Cup of Robust Tea wrote:
Secretary of Bobcats wrote:Hey, I'm all for summer quizbowl fun, and trash is alright BUT I feel that quizbowl in the summer should be QUIZBOWL in the summer. I'd much rather we secure a solid academic set and focus more on that than the trash. I'm all for doing the whole informal hey, this is getting boring lets play some trash or having mutiple side events or whatever, but this really should be a fun tournament for everybody in illinois in the summer and the best way to accomplish that is by playing a real academic set.
KHAAAN please wrote:In order to bring about improvement in our state, we need to play more real quizbowl instead of having like 4 trash events during the year
I think that has been fixed nicely.
I agree with this. I'd prefer an academic set.
I'd rather play academic mainly than trash mainly, yeah.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:21 pm
by jonah
Academic would definitely be much better.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:16 pm
by Captain Sinico
No, dude! Our state dominance in high school trash is crucial and must be maintained at all costs!

M

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:30 pm
by Mechanical Beasts
Besides, dude, your summer's designated trash time is better spent determining how to shoehorn "four" into "trashtastrophe"

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:52 pm
by Dan-Don
Academic sets aren't exactly falling from the sky though. Which are still available?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:54 pm
by Auks Ran Ova
Dan-Don wrote:Academic sets aren't exactly falling from the sky though. Which are still available?
you could, uh

you could write one?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:55 pm
by Mechanical Beasts
Ukonvasara wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Academic sets aren't exactly falling from the sky though. Which are still available?
you could, uh

you could write one?
Yeah, like, the academic set you were alluding to for later in the day, after the other full tournament. Or, you know, you could mirror Sun 'n' Fun if Ahmad's interested.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 9:57 pm
by Dan-Don
Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:
Ukonvasara wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Academic sets aren't exactly falling from the sky though. Which are still available?
you could, uh

you could write one?
Yeah, like, the academic set you were alluding to for later in the day, after the other full tournament. Or, you know, you could mirror Sun 'n' Fun if Ahmad's interested.
What set was I alluding to?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:03 pm
by abnormal abdomen
Hey, how plausible is it to just make this thing a packet-submission kind of thing? Or is that sort of thing taboo at non-collegiate events?

Also, I guess it would be tough considering that there's only about a month and a half until this.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:05 pm
by Dan-Don
Your Cup of Robust Tea wrote:Hey, how plausible is it to just make this thing a packet-submission kind of thing? Or is that sort of thing taboo at non-collegiate events?

Also, I guess it would be tough considering that there's only about a month and a half until this.
Packet-submission would be pretty great.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:24 pm
by Boeing X-20, Please!
Dan-Don wrote:
Your Cup of Robust Tea wrote:Hey, how plausible is it to just make this thing a packet-submission kind of thing? Or is that sort of thing taboo at non-collegiate events?

Also, I guess it would be tough considering that there's only about a month and a half until this.
Packet-submission would be pretty great.
Probably gonna be pretty hard to do because of this schedule:
5/15: Culver Midwest (Loyola + Dan going)
5/22: Hey we actually have a weekend off
5/28-5/30: HSNCT Weekend
6/4-6/6: NSC Weekend
6/11-6/13: NASAT Weekend (Lloyd + Malis + Carbery + Deveau)
6/20-6/24: SEMO Ace Camp that most of us will be going to
6/26: This tournament

Maybe a more plausible set would be the ANGST set. Geringer, you should get in touch with Andy and see if we contribute a certain # of packets or something we could hold a mirror of it a week early.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:46 pm
by Papa's in the House
Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:Or, you know, you could mirror Sun 'n' Fun if Ahmad's interested.
Or, you know, mirror this set. I know that some people from UIUC were interested in playing this set at our last meeting.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:47 pm
by Charbroil
Papa's in the House wrote:
Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:Or, you know, you could mirror Sun 'n' Fun if Ahmad's interested.
Or, you know, mirror this set. I know that some people from UIUC were interested in playing this set at our last meeting.
This would make me slightly interested, but isn't this set a bit hard?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 10:52 pm
by The Moviegoer
It might be, but hell, if it ends up being a Sun n' Fun mirror I know I'll throw my hat in the ring with or without UIUC people.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:17 pm
by Geringer
I contacted Andy around 8pm today to possibly set up a mirror. Sun N Fun could work too, I guess.

Paging Ahmad...

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:18 pm
by Boeing X-20, Please!
Charbroil wrote:
Papa's in the House wrote:
Crazy Andy Watkins wrote:Or, you know, you could mirror Sun 'n' Fun if Ahmad's interested.
Or, you know, mirror this set. I know that some people from UIUC were interested in playing this set at our last meeting.
This would make me slightly interested, but isn't this set a bit hard?
Yeah, I kind of feel that 13-line tossups on Terry Riley and 10-line tossups on Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie might be just a tad bit too hard for this field...

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:39 am
by jdeliverer
For the academic tournament, is there going to be any separation of different levels of play? I don't foresee a "Latin Alums" vs. Sorice being a nail-biter (though idk if people at that level plan to play). And looking at a random round from Sun N' Fun 2008, it definitely seems too hard for a field consisting of mostly non-nationals level teams.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 9:21 am
by Charbroil
KHAAAAN please wrote:I contacted Andy around 8pm today to possibly set up a mirror. Sun N Fun could work too, I guess.

Paging Ahmad...
Let me know if you successfully get through to him, given that I contacted him in early April regarding mirroring ANGST and still haven't received a response.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:52 pm
by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK
Is this 100% attached to RC COLA? CULT is now open for mirror opportunities.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:20 pm
by Kanga-Rat Murder Society
Dresden_The_Moderator wrote:Is this 100% attached to RC COLA? CULT is now open for mirror opportunities.
Charles Martin and I have both playtested multiple rounds of CULT, so if we were to play you would have to skip those rounds. Also, CULT might be a little too hard for this field, though RC Cola is also no walk in the park.

And yes, I will attend this.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:48 pm
by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK
BG MSL Champs wrote:
Dresden_The_Moderator wrote:Is this 100% attached to RC COLA? CULT is now open for mirror opportunities.
Charles Martin and I have both playtested multiple rounds of CULT, so if we were to play you would have to skip those rounds. Also, CULT might be a little too hard for this field, though RC Cola is also no walk in the park.

And yes, I will attend this.
That was my concern...I haven't read any CULT, but past years of RC COLA seemed quite difficult to me

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:10 pm
by Irreligion in Bangladesh
I would support CULT over RC Cola 1,000%. Difficulty doesn't really matter here - we're talking Mike Bentley trash vs. Steinhice trash. There's no comparison.

Because we should be doing an academic set primarily over a trash set side event, skipping those few rounds of CULT wouldn't be a problem at all - we aren't playing a 20 round side event :)

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:12 pm
by Mike Bentley
As mentioned in the other thread, the maximum number of rounds anyone has seen so far is 4 out of a total of 20. That would still give you 16 blind rounds.

I haven't seen the RC Cola stats, but according to http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings the best teams at the tournament last year put up around 17 PPB. As mentioned in the CULT announcement, I am experimenting with hosting a national tournament of an easier difficulty gradient than a tournament like DI ICT or ACF Nationals (although of course it's hard to compare academic and trash tournaments). I don't want to make any promises, but I'd expect CULT to be comparable to RC Cola in difficulty if RC Cola is much the same as last year.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:44 pm
by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK
styxman wrote:I would support CULT over RC Cola 1,000%. Difficulty doesn't really matter here - we're talking Mike Bentley trash vs. Steinhice trash. There's no comparison.

Because we should be doing an academic set primarily over a trash set side event, skipping those few rounds of CULT wouldn't be a problem at all - we aren't playing a 20 round side event :)
I thought the trash was the main feature?

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 6:59 pm
by MichaelKearney
styxman wrote:I would support CULT over RC Cola 1,000%. Difficulty doesn't really matter here - we're talking Mike Bentley trash vs. Steinhice trash. There's no comparison.

Because we should be doing an academic set primarily over a trash set side event, skipping those few rounds of CULT wouldn't be a problem at all - we aren't playing a 20 round side event :)
Personally, it doesn't matter to me whether or not people want to play trash or academic, but let's get one thing straight. This is Michael Kearney trash, not Steinhice trash. (And since Charlie has edited more trash tournaments than any other person in quizbowl, I don't get why that's a bad thing)

Charlie has written 8 or so questions out of 220, with Jeremy White and James Quintong filling in other gaps to the tune of 24 tossups. For statistics sake, I think there were only 5 tossups that went dead in the tournament(which I'll be fixing), and the rounds are entirely blind to all players in your region. Also, as I mentioned before, if anyone wants a measure of past year's difficulty and style, the previous two tournaments are available on Wastebin.

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:35 pm
by SnookerUSF
Apologies for not responding sooner, I don't often read this part of the board.

I will have to find that ANGST Mirror query, Charles, I don't actually remember receiving it. As for this tournament, I am afraid it wouldn't be ready until mid-August at the earliest. That said, if there is interest in pushing the tournament back till then, I would be happy to have you guys mirror the tournament at a significantly reduced cost (like 99.94% off, you know...since it is for the kids).

Let me know,

Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:55 pm
by Charbroil
SnookerUSF wrote: I will have to find that ANGST Mirror query, Charles, I don't actually remember receiving it.
I actually meant that I'd contacted Andy about mirroring ANGST; I was just somewhat sloppy in my quoting. That being said, if you know anything about ANGST and how I could get in touch with someone about mirroring it, do please let me know. Anyway, my apologies for the imprecise language.