NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '20-21

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NY/NJ/CT/PA/DE Discussion '20-21

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It's that time of year, so the question now lies. What teams will do well next year in the Tri-State Circuit? What teams will rise high, and what teams will crumble? A poll will probably come around later, but for now, this space is good for predictions.
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I think that Hunter will be extremely dominant going into next year, with a bunch of teams far behind them. High Tech, EB, Livi, and Millburn seem like contenders for second. More predictions later.
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Okay, so I don't know much about Quiz Bowl in PA or DE, and my experiences with NY and CT are pretty limited. With that being said, I would like to highlight certain teams (and players) who I think will really make a name for themselves next year. I don't intend for this to be ordered as a rankings, but I'd like to talk about some teams that I feel comfortable making statements about.

Hunter College High School
Hunter is scarily good and has so many good players. I believe they have enough people to field 3 very competitive teams, like they did at PHSAT. I'm going to attempt to guess what their teams will be for the sake of these predictions. Their A Team (class of 2021) is frightening, particularly in history, where Pedro Juan Orduz is one of the top players in the country. They were the number one team in the country according to Groger Ranks, so expect them to be extremely dominant this year. Their B Team ('22 and 23) is also very good. Led by the mercurial Andrew Zeng, this team will be frightening. Andrew has been a top scorer on Hunter A when he's played there, and but I'll predict him to be on the B team. By himself, Andrew is extremely good at history and literature, and his teammates on this predicted team include MSNCT winners. I predict their C team to be made of their current MS players. Impressively, they were able to snag 1st, 3rd, and 5th at the NJ States tournament and show every indication of a seamless transition to the HS level.

High Tech
High Tech is another big dynasty in the Northeast, and its a sure bet that their success will continue. I predict their A Team, led by Deepak Gopalakrishnan (a great generalist who is particularly excellent at hist/geo) and Max Brodsky (one of the top FA players in the country), now adds players from a top-100 B Team in the country. Hitek always gets a lot of people, so I'd expect their B (and possibly C) teams to be very good as well.

East Brunswick
East Brunswick this year really established themselves as a powerhouse to be reckoned with. While they lose a crazy number of seniors, their class of '21 is led by Joshua Yi, who is easily a sci/history player in the region (and even the country). Their hardworking crop of players are improving at crazy rates, so don't be surprised by the absolutely bonkers statlines you'll see next season. Additionally, they get fantastic players from Churchill Junior High School who have achieved a lot in their 9th grade year who will contribute in large part to the success of their A team, as well as the success of East Brunswick B.

Livingston
Livingston, much like Hunter, is led primarily by members of the class of '21. Generalist Carolyn Meng will continue being a threat, gobbling up questions everywhere, while lit specialist Rosa Xia is one of the best (if not the best) in her category in the NY Tristate Area. This team is absurd at bonuses already, but in their senior year, I predict that their power percentage will drastically increase. Their B Team does seem a bit unstable compared to some of the other top teams in the region, but expect their dedicated team to really pull off some big wins.

Millburn
While Millburn loses many players in their talented senior class, it still has a solid core led by science player Ben Hu. He is one of the top science players in the region, but is also quite good at history. Millburn also garners large amounts of players for their team, so despite what it may seem, Millburn is far from a one-man team. Their stats at Livingston New Year's Novice show that Ben Hu will have a good supporting cast and that they will be a real challenge to face.

Teterboro
Expect Nick Zhang to really reap the benefits of writing TAPIR by himself and really come into his own over his senior year. Teterboro's performances have always been a bit variable, but at his best, Nick Zhang is a generalist capable of powering in any category. While he loses many of his supporting cast members from HSNCT 2019, he still has a decent supporting cast who are capable of buzzing in at crucial times. Still, expect this team to live and die at the whims of its star player, but they have the potential to upset any top team.

Ridgewood
Ridgewood loses one of their best players to graudation, but the rest of their A team all return. Aiden Dartley is a fantastic history-based generalist who has improved crazy amounts; expect his growth to continue. Their supporting cast is filled with a lot of niche specialists, such as geo/CE/trash player Nick Pruitt who will undoubtedly make this team a big threat on NAQT sets. Ridgewood's program is growing a lot, so expect their B team to improve as well, particularly as their middle schools keep pumping out players. As captain of Ridgewood, I'm not planning on having set teams for most of the season, so expect our early season performance to be variable as I tinker with different groups of players.

Hotchkiss
In about one summer, Hotchkiss grew from being a decent team to a team capable of buzzing on any category. Cooper Roh is a particularly impressive history player who is able to absolutely dominate that category at a regs level. Their performance at Clarke Fall, as well as literally any NHBB tournament, shows that they are an excellent team, but winning Bardbowl was massive for them. Expect them to keep building off of this, especially as they are a hardworking group of players with excellent chemistry, so they could be absolutely terrifying to play, especially towards the end of the year.

Wilton
Although he loses his brother, Lukas Koutsoukos is an excellent player. Last year, he was one of the top freshmen in the area with just his history/geo coverage, but he is expanding into categories like lit and FA. The other Wilton team, led by Anjo Therattil, find themselves in a similar position. Anjo is good at history, but his knowledge isn't as deep in other areas of the canon. Both teams, though, are capable of impressive wins and can cause many teams made of older players to have much closer games than they'd like.

Darien
Darien, led by Alex DelVecchio, is a very good team. In the 19-20 season, their team selection was absolutely bonkers, but when playing with their top players, they managed to get second at Clarke Fall, a tournament with a very stacked field. Darien already has good players in many categories, so they should continue to be a tough team to beat; I struggled to get a single question against them at Clarke Fall. With top talent coming in from Middlesex Middle School, the sky is the limit for Darien in the future as players in one of the nation's best MS programs graduate to play at the next level.

Staples
I thought I'd end this by previewing Staples, who are new to the circuit. Yes, Staples is a real team. They're rapidly improving under their star player, Aalok Bhattacharya, who has tons of experience in History Bee and Science Olympiad. He's been working quite hard to translate that knowledge into quiz bowl. Staples is playing many online tournaments, so those results should serve as a good starting point for this team. While I don't expect them to be the greatest, Staples is sure to be a threat in years to come.

I've previewed every team that I'm somewhat familiar with, but there are so many teams that I really don't believe I know enough about to mention (probably as a result of not playing many of the tournaments my teammates did). If I didn't mention you, I'd love to learn about your team and hopefully play next year, especially because this is my last year of HS Quizbowl. I'm looking forward to a competitive season next year, and seeing these cool people at tournaments will be a blast. Rooting for all these teams at nationals (and following them on Groger Ranks) will be a ton of fun!
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1.Hunter A retains everyone but Asher from their top ranked team from this year, and should be one of the top teams in the country. They’re the clear #1 in the region, and probably in the country. Their incredible coverage over everything should serve them well on NAQT and mACF. Rachel or Andrew would both be strong complements to Cerulean, Ben and Pedro.

2. East Brunswick A loses most of their A and B teams, but they have two study fiends in Josh and Lillian. They also bring up Tanuj from Churchill, who won JV Bee at Ridgewood. They have plenty of depth to bring up as well, so they should be able to find someone to cover their holes. They’ll probably be stronger on mACF than NAQT, since their trash and geo are relatively weak.

3. High Tech A loses most of their A team, but keep core players Max, who has branched out and is one of the top FA players in the country, and Deepak. Alex and Sammy seem like they’ll round A team next year. They’ve always had incredible depth, so they should be able to find people to round out their lineup even if they don’t.

4. Hunter B — probably some combination of their B and C teams from this year, but regardless, they’ll be pretty good. Jacob and Ian are already incredible players, and with an extra year, they’ll be a force to be reckoned with. They need to sort out their negs, but they can really pop off and surprise a lot of people this year.

5. Hotchkiss apparently keeps everyone, and Cooper and Jack are an incredible duo, and Yihan and Sachin seem like very good players in their own right. I haven't played them at any tournaments, so I can't elaborate much, but they will definitely be an impressive team.

6. Ridgewood A loses Philip, but they retain Aum, Nick and Aiden. They’ll have a really big hole in science, which will hold them back, but they'll have history locked down. They’re definitely an NAQTeam with Nick and Aum’s trash and geo coverage. They’re pretty underrated, and could be a dark horse if Aiden keeps up his studying.

7. Livingston A retains everyone, but I’m not sure how much we’re going to study/how well I can cover history, so we could really be anywhere from 3rd down to 8th depending on how the other teams play out. We’ll bring up some really good sci coverage in Jeffrey, but we’re more of an NAQTeam because of our trash/CE coverage. Out power count leaves a lot to be desired, so we’ll lose a ton to top teams.

8. Teterboro keeps their main scorer in Nick Zhang, so they should be pretty good. They lose their second scorer in Rohit, though, and Nick can be streaky at times, so I’m not sure how high I would rank them without knowing their other players, who I don’t really know. Their other players didn’t perform super well at tournaments this year, so where Teterboro ends up remains to be seen.

9. Millburn takes a huge hit this year with the graduation of Dean, though they retain Ben, who covers sci and religion very well and has some history knowledge. They have huge holes on literature and other categories, so they have to find someone to cover that.

10. Choate is the dark horse in the region next year. I’m not sure what their teams will look like, since I’m not sure who’s graduating, but they performed really well this year as a new team and only stand to improve.

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BCA has Maia, who should be pretty good this year. I don’t know much about the rest of their team, though.

Darien loses John, and they don’t seem to have anyone coming up. Middlesex is usually quite strong though so they probably have someone.

Wilton still has Lukas, who’s been a really strong player, and he’ll continue to improve. They won’t contend this year, but they should be really good in the next couple years.
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Curious: how many years in a row has Hunter been the undisputed #1 now? 6? 7?
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Snoopy wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:22 am
Curious: how many years in a row has Hunter been the undisputed #1 now? 6? 7?
4-5 -- Hunter may not have been the undisputed #1 even in 2015-16, considering they didn't even expect do be playing post-lunch at HSNCT that year (back when Sunday was playoffs-only). High Tech was #1 when I started high school and it was probably that way my sophomore year (14-15) as well.
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Agree with Michael; Hunter 2014 and 2015 won no legit tournaments so far as I can remember, and Hunter 2016 won only a few. Certainly not undisputed number 1.
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Hi everyone, here are the rankings Lily Zhu and I put together. Take our rankings between 3-8 with a grain of salt, as all those teams have huge potential to improve over the summer.

1. Hunter A was very strong this year and they keep nearly everyone. Pedro and Cerulean are both very scary history/CE players, and Andrew and Ben Chapman contribute lit and sci coverage. Overall, a very solid, well-rounded team. They will be uncontested 1st in the region, and perhaps the nation. Hunter A will likely win any tournament they go to.

2. High Tech is probably second going into this season. They keep Deepak, who is a strong Hist/Sci based generalist, as well as Max, who is among the top FA players in the nation. They both scale very well, but will struggle with lit coverage and sci coverage at regs+ levels. However, their program is quite deep, so they can probably fill their holes.

3. EB graduates nearly our entire A and B team this year, so we'll be considerably weakened. We keep Josh, a hist based generalist as well as promote Lily, a literature specialist to A team. Although we gain Tanuj/Simon, who went 1 and 4 at NJ States NHBB JV bee respectively, we have to make up gaps in FA and CE/Geo/Trash. Our performance will depend heavily on how much we study during the summer, with an emphasis on me being able to expand into sci and fill our many gaps.

4. Hunter B is also very strong, as their program has crazy depth. Ian and Jacob are both very strong history players, and may expand into other categories over the summer. Rachel will be a scary lit player next year, and they will likely gain even more talented middle schoolers. Rosters aren't finalized and are likely to change throughout the year but no matter what team Hunter sends, it's bound to be good.

5. Livingston keeps everyone. Carolyn is a very good generalist, and Rosa is probably first or second in the region for lit. Veena and Carolyn combined, have a very solid base in visual fine arts. Jason is an excellent NAQT player covering Geo/CE and American History. If they are to rise in rankings, they have to work on increasing their power count instead of 10ing teams to death. Their performance will depend a lot on how well Carolyn can cover sci and history next year.

T-6. Hotchkiss’s main scorer is Cooper, who is very good at history. Similar to Hunter, they keep nearly everyone. Based on their performances at Bardbowl and Qubit this year, they will probably have a chance to move up in the rankings, potentially defeating some of the top teams, although they suffer from lack of sci coverage. They will likely be very variable next year.

T-6. Ridgewood loses their top scorer Philip, but Aum and Aiden are both good generalists, and Nick provides very good geo as well. They will likely have history on lock against most teams, and Aum and Aiden should be able to hit the rest of the distro. Their performance will depend on how well they cover sci next year, and I probably have them underrated in this ranking.

8. Teterboro keeps Nick Zhang around this year, although the amount of support he will have is limited, given the performance of teams without him at Livi Novice and Funfest this year. They also lose Rohit, which leaves them with a potential sci problem. Nick is quite mercurial and may manage some crazy upsets against stronger teams, but don't expect them to consistently beat higher ranked teams (unless animal sci).

9. Millburn loses Dean and Ethan this year, which leaves Ben Hu to lead the rest of the team. Although he's probably the best sci player in the region, with decent geo, religion, and history coverage, the team will have a hard time covering their gaps in lit and FA.

10. Wilton loses Alex this year, but Lukas is a good history/geo player, and will likely expand next year into lit. Anjo is also a very good history player, but may have issues with scaling. Holes in Sci, FA, and RMPSS will likely hold them back from being a top tier team.
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NJQBA has made a podcast analyzing the teams in our region of NJ as well as the greater tri state area for the upcoming year. Click this link to check it out. This is our first podcast; stay tuned for more content in the future! <3
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Preseason Poll here: https://forms.gle/9kqwwaXXdD15oz4x7. Go wild.
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I'm definitely biased as a former player/captain, but i think you should include JP Stevens on the list. While JPS doesn't have the stats/history that the schools on the list offer, it recruited top players this year that earned it a high standing at East Brunswick Funfest and a ticket to NAQT nationals. Allen Wang is an all rounder, with significant strengths in literature, arts, and sciences while Joey George is a pro at history. There are a bunch of really good science players on the team as well.
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The Preseason Poll will close on June 7th, 2020 at 11:58 PM. Keep getting those responses in
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I'd like to advocate for Hunter B next year. Although B team composition will depend heavily on who's coming to a given tournament, I think they'll be a strong presence at most tournaments, and have the potential to claim some serious scalps. I won't be counting B team results with Andrew on them, but for example, B team almost pulled a major upset on East Brunswick A at Millburn Invitational, and beat Livingston A at that same tournament. I think that B team will be pushing for playoff contention at most tournaments they go to.
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So, the preseason poll results:

Top 20 teams
1. Hunter A (180)
2. East Brunswick A (147)
3. High Tech A (139)
4. Hotchkiss (109)
5. Livingston (93)
6. Hunter B (89)
7. Ridgewood (68)
8. Millburn (34)
9. Teterboro (28, not counting the ballot that gave them 40 points)
10. Choate (13)
11. Darien (11)
12. EBB (10)
13. Manheim (9)
14. High Tech B (5)
T-15. Great Neck South, Hempfield (2)
T-17. Pingry, Wilton, Tenafly, BCA (1)
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amundhe wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:34 pm

Wilton

Darien

Staples
Having grown up in Fairfield County, CT, I'm happy to see more teams showing up here, but at the same time saddened that what really should be such fertile ground for quiz bowl isn't doing even better...
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