Why Doesn't Quizbowl Use Citations?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:08 pm
A recent conversation on the Discord inspired me to finally get this down in words. In every academic field and for any piece of nonfiction media that wants to be taken seriously, citations of external sources are essential. They give legitimacy to what's being reported. Because of this need for citations, it's honestly really surprising to me that quizbowl packets and sets don't cite their sources, especially given its academic nature. Quizbowl is fundamentally rooted in academic study and making knowledge a game. And while it isn't necessary to hold it to as high an expectation as something like research papers for keeping track of sources, I would think that it would still help to have some standard for citing sources for clues.
I know that in many cases, the sources are intrinsically cited in the questions themselves. For example, you'd expect that if a question clued a critical essay's thesis on a book, that question would also mention the author or the essay title. This certainly helps alleviate part of the problem, but doesn't help solve it all the way. How am I supposed to know where the question writers are getting unreferenced information from? How am I supposed to, in the words of Shahar, "reverse engineer" a science tossup and figure out what online lecture or textbook the clues are coming from? In my eyes, citing sources as writers write would solve this issue.
Some other pros of including citations that I can think of include:
1. Citations make it a lot easier for editors to check clues. If writers include where they found their clue info when they write the question, this gets rid of the step of the editor having to ask the writer for their source or try to backtrack the source itself. This could also make it easy for an editor to find clues from less legitimate sources and replace them.
2. Searching for legitimate sources ultimately makes better writers. We've all fallen into the trap of using Wikipedia as "research" at some point in our lives. If writers have to cite their sources, this would encourage them to dig deeper than just the Wikipedia page and find more accepted sources for clues. This process encourages good question research habits, and therefore, better question writing habits and better writers.
3. Citations make it easier for players to research the question topics. Sometimes, I feel like some quizbowl questions play a weird game of "teehee you'll never guess where I got this first-line" or some variant of it. Presumably, question writers shouldn't have any reason to hide where they get their info from. Like, so what if you lose your super-secret hidden first line source? Quizbowl is ultimately meant to introduce players to new topics they might find interesting, and by citing sources for clues, you create an incredibly easy method for players to find sources that are interesting to them.
4. Translation issues can be resolved with citations. Considering a lot of quizbowl content is originally from non-English sources, having people cite where they get translated quotes or other information from would be very helpful, just in terms of keeping track of the translations. I've gotten discouraged before as a player when I couldn't get tossups on authors like Baudelaire or Rilke just because the translations that were clued weren't the ones I was used to. At least if we cite sources, I would know where to look for these new translations.
At the moment, there's only two big cons that I can think of:
1. Citations take a long time to do. Not only is it more time spent when writing questions, ultimately it would probably be a whole other task to do at the end of set production when all of the questions have to get packetized. All of those citations would have to be compiled somehow, which is more work during the already pretty lengthy production process.
2. Following that, there's no obvious way to collect these citations in the final packets. Do you put them immediately after each question? Do you make footnotes? Do you have a separate document for your bibliography with references to each question? I could see packets getting very cluttered with text depending on what ends up happening.
Overall, I'd still be in support for including citations in packets. It would certainly be more work to do when creating sets, but I could see the citation process being easily accepted as a norm for question writing. Though I'm curious of other people's thoughts about this issue.
I know that in many cases, the sources are intrinsically cited in the questions themselves. For example, you'd expect that if a question clued a critical essay's thesis on a book, that question would also mention the author or the essay title. This certainly helps alleviate part of the problem, but doesn't help solve it all the way. How am I supposed to know where the question writers are getting unreferenced information from? How am I supposed to, in the words of Shahar, "reverse engineer" a science tossup and figure out what online lecture or textbook the clues are coming from? In my eyes, citing sources as writers write would solve this issue.
Some other pros of including citations that I can think of include:
1. Citations make it a lot easier for editors to check clues. If writers include where they found their clue info when they write the question, this gets rid of the step of the editor having to ask the writer for their source or try to backtrack the source itself. This could also make it easy for an editor to find clues from less legitimate sources and replace them.
2. Searching for legitimate sources ultimately makes better writers. We've all fallen into the trap of using Wikipedia as "research" at some point in our lives. If writers have to cite their sources, this would encourage them to dig deeper than just the Wikipedia page and find more accepted sources for clues. This process encourages good question research habits, and therefore, better question writing habits and better writers.
3. Citations make it easier for players to research the question topics. Sometimes, I feel like some quizbowl questions play a weird game of "teehee you'll never guess where I got this first-line" or some variant of it. Presumably, question writers shouldn't have any reason to hide where they get their info from. Like, so what if you lose your super-secret hidden first line source? Quizbowl is ultimately meant to introduce players to new topics they might find interesting, and by citing sources for clues, you create an incredibly easy method for players to find sources that are interesting to them.
4. Translation issues can be resolved with citations. Considering a lot of quizbowl content is originally from non-English sources, having people cite where they get translated quotes or other information from would be very helpful, just in terms of keeping track of the translations. I've gotten discouraged before as a player when I couldn't get tossups on authors like Baudelaire or Rilke just because the translations that were clued weren't the ones I was used to. At least if we cite sources, I would know where to look for these new translations.
At the moment, there's only two big cons that I can think of:
1. Citations take a long time to do. Not only is it more time spent when writing questions, ultimately it would probably be a whole other task to do at the end of set production when all of the questions have to get packetized. All of those citations would have to be compiled somehow, which is more work during the already pretty lengthy production process.
2. Following that, there's no obvious way to collect these citations in the final packets. Do you put them immediately after each question? Do you make footnotes? Do you have a separate document for your bibliography with references to each question? I could see packets getting very cluttered with text depending on what ends up happening.
Overall, I'd still be in support for including citations in packets. It would certainly be more work to do when creating sets, but I could see the citation process being easily accepted as a norm for question writing. Though I'm curious of other people's thoughts about this issue.