SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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Hello quizbowl,

I apologize for getting this up late. My finals were this past week and I don't need to explain that this was the most complicated final exam week of my life.

Logistics:
I will be running an OPEN mirror of SUN on Discord on Sunday, April 19. Note this was originally ACF Nationals weekend. The plan is to start at 7 am PST or 10 am EST and finish before 6 pm EST. I am initially instituting a 10 team field cap until I can secure staff. Personally, I'd be more in favor of five person teams than moving to strange formats with lots of rounds because staffer time is valuable and Discord events can often seem like a slog by round 6 or so. I hope this desire is understandable.

I also think 9 rounds + advantaged finals is a good amount for a tossup + bonus Discord event. Form your team here. Note that only an email to me harrisbunker AT gmail DOT com constitutes a valid registration. Putting your name on the sheet does not indicate anything other than interest in playing. I understand many teams formed before this announcement went up, and of course they get priority registration, but I like things to be as accountable and organized as possible especially when dealing with Discord permissions, etc. A waitlist will be maintained as necessary.

The cost of this event will be $65 dollars per team. The only acceptable forms of payment are Venmo or Paypal made out to me. Dealing with the mail and checks and school budget offices will be exceedingly annoying right now and I want this to be as simple as possible. In your registration email, indicate exactly how you plan to pay me. It's much easier if all of a team pays from one account than in four payments of $16.25 .

Audience and Eligibility:
This tournament is for all players. The set was written for a collegiate novice audience so expect it to be far easier than other collegiate quizbowl sets of this calendar year. Our difficulty is like previous iterations of ACF Fall or FST. As such, if you are a collegiate novice, I recommend you either wait until the Fall to play this set in person or seek out one of the closed college SUN mirrors which should hopefully go up soon. Experienced players should tell their novice teammates and incoming players to try to play an in-person mirror. This set was supposed to be played in-person and foster good quizbowl experiences.

At this time, unless there is pushback from the field, I am allowing super teams made of multiple elite collegiate players because the set will be easy for the presumed field. I would recommend exercising some prudence, but I don't have the desire nor the team to legislate this for this ultimately pretty casual mirror.

High school students are encouraged to play the closed SUN, tossup only, tournament here.

Staffing:
I will be compensating staff for this. I am paying $25 dollars for experienced staff. They will need to be able to read a round within 30 minutes and also keep score in a spreadsheet or Neg5 (this is TBD.) If you wish to staff, email me ASAP and having a Venmo is a big plus.

After the tournament, feedback on the set is appreciated but I ask players not to spend time on this during the tournament so we can move at a brisk pace. For any questions, please email me, post below or DM me on Discord.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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The field as of now is:
1. what is this cursed team (Conor Thompson et al.)
2. Daniel Hothem et al.
3. Aayush + Will Alston
4. Rumbo Steefahming (Rohin et al.)
5. Alex Li et al.
6. Swapnil + David
7. disgusting and barbarous (Connor Mayers et al.)
8. Avinash Iyer et al.
9. Vincent Du et al.
10. Father McLain and His Children (Brad et al.)

Others should try to register ASAP. I see a lot of teams on the sheet that have not signed up. By the way, if team names are not made by the night before the tournament, I will probably assign them or just use Last Name et al. Please let me know if you I missed your registration.

WAITLIST:
11. Michael Yue et al.
12. Cringe Cowboy Compadres (Deepak Muthyala et al.)
13. Nick Dai et al.
14. James Hadley et al.
15. Mazin Omer et al.
16. Collin Ace et al.


EDIT: Started waitlist (3/31/20)
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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I now have registrations from nine teams. We are one team away from a field cap and I will reassess the staffing and field situation after this. Please check to see if you have registered and are noted because I might have missed your email.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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I'd be interested in forming a team if anyone is interested! I'm reasonably decent at Bio and Chem and can maybe contribute elsewhere.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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A waitlist has been added. I may try to get additional staffers depending on interest or if there is a good format for 12 team mirrors. If teams are okay with something like two pools of 6 for prelims (5 games) and then 3 crossover playoff games and a final (8/9 games), I could expand. My worry as always is making a Discord tournament too long and unbearable. Even at this difficulty, the rounds may take longer than people are used to. Any thoughts on a potential format are welcome.

Edit: There are a lot of the teams "registered" on the unofficial scoresheet. Note that as I said in the OP, this does not constitute a valid registration. Given my full time PhD student course load + other responsibilities, I really do not wish to run a two day tournament for this. It might be prudent for high schoolers to instead pursue the closed Discord mirror. We might be able to have a 14 team mirror work but I don't want to do a 14 team RR for example.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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Will bonuses at this event be able to distinguish teams particularly well? I'm wondering if this would be more appropriate as a tossup-only mirror. For most teams involved, I take it that this is mainly going to be buzzer practice for fun, and most bonuses will get quickly 20d or 30d.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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naan/steak-holding toll wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:03 pm
Will bonuses at this event be able to distinguish teams particularly well? I'm wondering if this would be more appropriate as a tossup-only mirror. For most teams involved, I take it that this is mainly going to be buzzer practice for fun, and most bonuses will get quickly 20d or 30d.
I would be in favour of TU only, for what it's worth.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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I'm much less interested in playing a TU only event and signed up under the assumption that we'd play bonuses. I've found that bonuses are a nice way to stay engaged during an online event.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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I'd favour doing bonuses purely from a "more QB is more fun" perspective.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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Personally, as Daniel mentioned, I'd prefer this be run with bonuses even if the average ppb is 25 or whatever it's going to be. Here is a straw poll people can use to express their opinions in a more concise way. My primarily goal here is to have a fun tournament that won't last forever.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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Deepika Goes From Ranbir To Ranveer wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:28 pm
I'd favour doing bonuses purely from a "more QB is more fun" perspective.
If there's a format where we can fit more games in by not doing bonuses I could be persuaded to do that, but I'm fine with the current plan too.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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Mike Bentley wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:51 pm
Deepika Goes From Ranbir To Ranveer wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:28 pm
I'd favour doing bonuses purely from a "more QB is more fun" perspective.
If there's a format where we can fit more games in by not doing bonuses I could be persuaded to do that, but I'm fine with the current plan too.
We have 13 full packets because this is a novice set. Given this constraint, things like a 14 team RR on tossups only become exceedingly difficult unless people don't actually want to play a final which seems bad to me.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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The best format for a 14 team mirror, to me, seems like paired brackets (each team plays all 7 teams in the other bracket), and then split 4/3 with the bottom bracket getting a bye as one of their three playoff rounds.
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Re: SUN Open on Discord (April 19, 2020)

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CPiGuy wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:58 pm
The best format for a 14 team mirror, to me, seems like paired brackets (each team plays all 7 teams in the other bracket), and then split 4/3 with the bottom bracket getting a bye as one of their three playoff rounds.
I'm personally fine with this format and will attempt to get enough staff for a 14 team mirror.
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