2020–21 Player Poll

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2020–21 Player Poll

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By popular demand, here is the collegiate player poll. In the words of Mike Cheyne five years ago, please vote for your top 25 of active players (active being defined as eligible for a national title, although they do not necessarily have to have played at either ICT or ACF Nationals). I am making the perhaps obvious caveat that they must have played at least one non-open tournament this year though. Please send your ballot to me at [email protected] with the subject "Player Poll". Voting is open until 11:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time on Friday, August 27, 2021.

I eagerly await plenty of spirited discussion about the merits and demerits of particular players. Please do not post your ballot here; e-mail it to me as described above.
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Your ballots should include Evan Lynch and Joseph Krol -both over 90ppg on WORKSHOP, over 100ppg on SMH, Evan over 100ppg at the UK Regs mirror (where Ox A and Cam A where absent, which probably made not much difference to his personal total), Krol 44ppg at the Regs Invitational site (7th highest scorer)
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This was discussed at length in the Discord, but for those just on the forums: Don't ignore Itamar Naveh-Benjamin. He is at least the second-best eligible player in the country and arguably the best, with his Regs qualifier, WORKSHOP, and FLOpen stats being more than adequate proof of this IMO.

Speaking for my Columbia A teammates, they're all amazing, but for the purposes of this poll I'd particularly encourage everyone to take a good look at ranking Gerhardt Hinkle, who was our number two scorer at all hard events this year and scales like a monster on math, religion, myth, and a huge range of random topics across the distribution (including an awe-inspiring first-line buzz on "the viral envelope" at FLOpen). He's also a plenty capable lead scorer, see Regs 2020 for that. After him, I'd look at Noah Chen who never gets a ton of points because he mostly buzzes on science (and IMO is the best biology player since Eric Mukherjee), but also has a lot of latent ability on music and various social sciences, both of which were very relevant at both nationals and get shadowed significantly by myself and Noah S. I think it's somewhat harder to evaluate Noah Sheidlower and Caroline Mao, given that both suffered from utterly brutal shadow effects, but Noah S. is a great generalist and music specialist and Caroline is a superb literature specialist, both of whom would add a lot to any elite team in the country.
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I suppose I’ll make a case for a few of my teammates. I understand the generally self-indulgent nature of these posts, but I personally enjoy reading other people talking positively of their teammates and I hope others do as well.

Alston Boyd will almost certainly be underrated on your ballot, although obviously I hope to convince you otherwise. My sense is that Alston is about as good relative to the field as he was in 2019, where he got ranked 15th. Looking at the ballot, I think Alston is roughly comparable with people like Stephen Eltinge as people who are capable of functioning as team leading generalists should they have to, but are generally very comfortable playing as second scorers and buzzing on a wide variety of things with incredible depth. Alston basically never negs, at the major tournaments of regs, ICT, and Nats Alston never had more than 4 negs. In addition, at FLopen he had one of the strongest performances of any active player, with 12 powers and only 2 negs on the way to leading us to victories over Matt Bollinger’s team and others. He’s the best active philosophy player, is very good at lit and religion, and has pockets across the rest of the humanities, especially history where he regularly picks some stuff up off of Ben and me. As I said, I think he should be ranked about 15th, although I suspect he’ll end up ranked behind some people who were in more optimal roles for scoring points than he was, as we all shadow him a fair bit. He also put up comparable numbers to John Lawrence at CO in a run to tie for second at CO, in case you need even more evidence of his ability to provide a lot of points for a high level team.

Adam Fine was the strongest science player I saw all year. If you look at his regs, ICT, and Nats stats his PPG is coming pretty much exclusively from science, and he’s putting up really strong PPGs. Adam will grab 2-3 science against just about any opponent and he always has a chance of sweeping them entirely. I’d say he’s elite at physics, very good at chem, and strong enough at just about every other area of science to stand a solid chance of getting the tossup. He also provides extra myth knowledge, helps us out on fine arts, and generally has a lot of generalist skill that I think gets shadowed a bit on our team. I think he should definitely be in your top 25, probably in the 20-25 range. He’s pretty comparable to Jonathen Settle in terms of their general roles on teams. Both of them should be ranked in my opinion and provide any championship contending team with enough firepower on science and assorted buzzes to win.

It’s possible Ben Miller shouldn’t be ranked this year, there are many strong contenders, but I think he has a case towards the bottom of your top 25. Ben is a top 5 history player in my opinion, his stats at ACF Nationals come from basically only history, geo/ce, and maybe one or two other buzzes, and generally he’s able to put up insanely impressive history numbers despite me shadowing him with both gets and negs. If you look at his stats from ACF tournaments this year he basically never negged while providing us with lots of points. He was the ideal fourth scorer, and he also didn’t get mad at me for negging him out of history, which is truly a virtue to appreciate! I think it’s defensible not to rank him in your top 25 this year, but I’ll excitedly rank both him and Adam a lot higher next year when they’re leading a top bracket team and putting up stellar numbers.
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I have no teammates to heap praise upon, so instead I will take this as an opportunity to shout out the many West Coast players who deserve top 25 consideration this year. I have roughly binned players based upon their team's strength and the role that they played on their team this year.

Top 10 Team Leader: These three players have all demonstrated an ability to lead a top 10 team within the past two years.

Natan Holtzman spent much of the year as the lead scorer on a Stanford team that finished third at ICT and Nats. Natan is capable of getting good buzzes in just about every category, which is how he racked up 59ppg and 27 powers at Claremont's WORKSHOP mirror. Because of this, it is hard to really pin down what Natan is best out, although he certainly has top-flight auditory fine arts and other science knowledge. He had the fifth most powers at ICT and finished seventh in playoff scoring in the top bracket at Nats. Natan deserves consideration for a top 10 vote on your ballot.

Tim Morrison finished the year incredibly well with double digit powers at ICT and 38ppg for Stanford at Nats. Tim's math and literature knowledge seems to scale arbitrarily well. He is also an incredibly underrated visual fine arts player. Tim routinely posts a very low neg rate across difficulties, only negging four times at ICT and once (for a 20:1 P/N ratio) at Claremont's WORKSHOP mirror. Few other players play as efficiently. Tim deserves consideration for a top 10 vote on your ballot.

Rahul Keyal is two years removed from leading Berkeley to a top 5 finish at Nats. And while Berkeley took a step back this year, Rahul certainly did not finishing fifth overall in scoring at ICT and ninth at Nats. Like Tim, Rahul is a top flight literature player, which deep specialties in visual fine arts and part of philosophy. Rahul, along with Malouf, forms the backbone of arguably the best VFA team in the country. He also has solid generalist chops, especially at lower difficulties like when he put up over 4 powers per game at SMH. Rahul deserves consideration for a top 15 vote on your ballot.

Elite Support on a Top 10 Team: All of these players played pivotal roles as members of top 10 teams this year. They all have deep specialties that make them deadly at higher difficulties, yet remain very capable as generalists at lower levels.

James Malouf is one of the best combo history/VFA players in the country (and there are a lot of them). Malouf was tied for the second high scorer at Jaimie Carlson's modern visual arts tournament, a tournament which Malouf won with Halle. Malouf put up 27ppg at ICT this year, as well as 22ppg at Nats despite having an uncharacteristically high neg count at the later event. Pretty much every top 10 team would benefit by having Malouf on it. Malouf also retains a ton of generalist knowledge at lower difficulties, putting up 111ppg en route to victory at SMH2. Malouf deserves consideration for a 15-25 vote on your ballot.

Ethan Strombeck is spent much of the year as Stanford's third scorer, before having a monstrous ICT where he put up 34.55ppg (.45ppg shy of Natan's 35ppg). Ethan is shadowed pretty heavily by his teammates. He has to compete with Natan and Tim for AFA and VFA buzzes, both categories in which he is a top tier player. Besides his ICT performance, Ethan's best tournament this year may have been at the ACF Regionals Invitational where he led an undermanned Stanford to a sixth place finish. Ethan deserves consideration for a 15-25 vote on your ballot.

Eric Wolfsberg joined Stanford this year after enjoying sustained success as a high level generalist at Delaware throughout his undergrad career. Eric has some of the best bio/chem knowledge in the game, and retains much of the generalist ability that propelled Delaware to a top 25 finish at 2019 Nats. Eric deserves consideration for a 20-25 vote on your ballot.

Solo Players

Nick Jensen is bad news whenever you face off against him in a quizbowl match. Nick has one of the most eclectic knowledge bases in the entire country. He scales very well and is very good at many of the categories that are "hard" to study for, like other academic. Nick led the field in ppg at ICT this year on his way to a top 25 finish. Nick also put up 100ppg in his victory at the West Coast mirror of ACF Regionals (after UBC withdrew).
Nick deserves consideration for a top 15 vote on your ballot.

Justine French, sadly, did not play many events this year, but when they did, they played extremely well. Justine put up over 100ppg at every closed tournament that they played this year. This includes WORKSHOP2, where Justine put up 19ppg more than Nick. Justine also scales very well, just check out the 64ppg they had at the second mirror of FLOPen. Justine deserves consideration for a 15-25 vote on your ballot.

Daniel Hothem: I put up big numbers at lower difficulty events this year, and managed to beat Justine and Nick at SMH2 and WORKSHOP2 respectively. However, I definitely scale worse as a generalist than they do, putting up 84ppg at Regionals, 77ppg at WORKSHOP2, and 44.09ppg at ICT (whereas I matched Justine at both SMH's mirrors). My ideal role is as the second or third scorer on a title contending team, where my elite VFA and solid physics/osci knowledge consistently nets me 2-4 tossups every game. That is how I put up 28ppg next to Jordan/JinAh/Jaimie at COOT and 24.55ppg next to Matt/Adam/Alex at FLOPen. I think I deserve consideration for a 20-25 vote on your ballot.

Other:

Lia Rathburn exploded onto the scene this year as the lead scorer for an emergent UBC team. Lia is a top 2 player in Canada, and has is one of the best history players in the country. Lia deserves consideration for a 20-25 vote on your ballot.
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Re: 2020–21 Player Poll

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Vincent Du and Annabelle Yang both deserve heavy consideration for this poll. Vincent is among the top 10-15 in the country in sci (especially chem and physics), FA, and PSS and gets good buzzes across the distribution. He outscored some very good players at the NASAT UMD mirror and scales incredibly well, not losing much in PPG from regs to nats. Annabelle Yang is top 5 in the country in myth and is definitely up there in AFA as well, but gets insane buzzes in nearly every category. She had 9 powers on the highly competitive WORKSHOP playtest mirror, equaling the likes of Rob Carson. Both of them should definitely be in the conversation for top 25.
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Re: 2020–21 Player Poll

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The results of the poll are now available. Thanks to our voters: Matthew Lehmann, Taylor Harvey, Tim Morrison, Daniel Hothem, Alex Hardwick, Matt Bollinger, Chandler West, and Caleb Kendrick.

For this poll, owing to the greater variance in rankings compared to the team poll, I elected to drop the highest and lowest rankings for each player. In general this did not make an especially large difference, but it explains why some players' point totals do not seem to be reflective of their listed highest and lowest rankings.

#1: Will Alston (149 points; highest #1, lowest #2)
#2: Itamar Naveh-Benjamin (144 points; highest #1, ranked on 7 ballots)
#3: Auroni Gupta (138 points; highest #1, lowest #4)
#4: Chris Ray (130 points; highest #3, ranked on 7 ballots)
#5: Jason Golfinos (124 points; highest #3, lowest #7)
#6: Taylor Harvey (109 points; highest #5, lowest #13)
#7: Natan Holtzman (105 points; highest #6, lowest #14)
#8: Nick Jensen (102 points; highest #4, lowest #18)
#9: Matthew Lehmann (95 points; highest #5, lowest #14)
#10: Tim Morrison (93 points; highest #7, lowest #14)
#11 (tied): Tracy Mirkin (90 points; highest #6, ranked on 7 ballots)
#11 (tied): Caleb Kendrick (90 points; highest #8, ranked on 7 ballots)
#13: William Golden (83 points; highest #6, ranked on 7 ballots)
#14: Clark Smith (71 points; highest #9, ranked on 7 ballots)
#15: Rahul Keyal (64 points; highest #13, lowest #17)
#16: Joseph Krol (57 points; highest #6, ranked on 7 ballots)
#17: Stephen Eltinge (54 points; highest #9, ranked on 6 ballots)
#18: Hari Parameswaran (37 points; highest #15, ranked on 7 ballots)
#19: Grace Liu (36 points; highest #11, ranked on 7 ballots)
#20: Alston Boyd (34 points; highest #12, ranked on 7 ballots)
#21: Ethan Strombeck (23 points; highest #17, ranked on 7 ballots)
#22 (tied): Charles Hang (15 points; highest #19, ranked on 5 ballots)
#22 (tied): Jonathen Settle (15 points; highest #17, ranked on 4 ballots)
#24: Evan Lynch (13 points; highest #5, ranked on 3 ballots)
#25: Justine French (7 points; highest #17, ranked on 3 ballots)

Also receiving votes:
Vincent Du (highest #16, ranked on 2 ballots)
Jaskaran Singh (highest #19, ranked on 3 ballots)
Daniel Hothem (highest #21, ranked on 4 ballots)
Adam Fine (highest #21, ranked on 3 ballots)
James Malouf (highest #22, ranked on 2 ballots)
Eric Wolfsberg (highest #21, ranked on 2 ballots)
Oli Clarke (highest #8, ranked on 1 ballot)
Jacob Robertson (highest #14, ranked on 1 ballot)
Caroline Mao (highest #15, ranked on 1 ballot)
Alex Hardwick (highest #19, ranked on 1 ballot)
Annabelle Yang (highest #20, ranked on 1 ballot)
Gerhardt Hinkle (highest #20, ranked on 1 ballot)
Iain Carpenter (highest #20, ranked on 1 ballot)
Alex Peplow (highest #21, ranked on 1 ballot)
Lia Rathburn (highest #22, ranked on 1 ballot)
Noah Chen (highest #22, ranked on 1 ballot)
Ben Miller (highest #23, ranked on 1 ballot)
Seoan Webb (highest #24, ranked on 1 ballot)
Ben Russell Jones (highest #25, ranked on 1 ballot)
Graham Reid (highest #25, ranked on 1 ballot)
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