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The end of the match

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:52 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:59 pm
by heterodyne
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
If you're attempting to mount a parody of recent attempts at "professionalization," you've done a wonderful job.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:03 am
by Cherrybell Miramonte
Considering the far more substantive concerns with the game that were laid out in this thread, this seems very much not a hill worth dying on.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:03 am
by AKKOLADE
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
This is the point at which you may need to chill.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:05 am
by A Very Long Math Tossup
OK, let's get this over with: does anyone have any thoughts on gender and/or sucrose?

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:12 am
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
I am proudly unapologetic about being willing to air my own fixations to the world and believe in my heart that a community of well educated adults can execute this basic interaction in a more civilized fashion.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:23 am
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
I would bet good money I don't have that this is the first time most readers of this thread have actually thought anything about this, and when they go to their next tournament they will realize how aesthetically displeasing the status quo is, and will be presented with the choice to dig in their heels or strive for something better. #staywoke

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:26 am
by ryanrosenberg
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
"This Whole Thing Reeks of Quizbowl," i holler as i overturn my team's buzzer desk and turn the 4th of July into the 4th of Shit

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:27 am
by Cheynem
I think it's good to shake hands and that teams should try to execute that maneuver in a less fumblesome way (I'm very bad at that).

I will say that there are a lot of rooms in which you play quizbowl in which you can't form a line. Like some of those ICT rooms where the people are facing each other and the only way to shake hands is to just stand up where you are and reach across the table. Or those icky classrooms where you aren't even facing the people you're playing. Sometimes like the buzzer and wires are in the way, too. I don't think we really need to codify how we shake hands; I mean at least for me I've never thought that "wow, shaking hands was so aesthetically displeasing that we need to make quizbowl more like a junior sports league."

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:31 am
by AKKOLADE
Geriatric trauma wrote:
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
"This Whole Thing Reeks of Quizbowl," i holler as i overturn my team's buzzer desk and turn the 4th of July into the 4th of Shit
having hs qb intellectuals explain to me how exactly hand shakers fucked up , and why they deserve to die

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:39 am
by That DCC guy
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.

I personally disagree and believe that the current system is better because it’s more personal. When you do the line method that u described all the meaning is taken out of the original intention of good sportsmanship. And I couldn’t tell u how many times I’ve had in my lifetime where people in those lines have told me to “fuck off” (any sport applies). So I think the current system although chaotic is better at its heart

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:41 am
by AKKOLADE
AKKOLADE wrote:
Geriatric trauma wrote:
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
"This Whole Thing Reeks of Quizbowl," i holler as i overturn my team's buzzer desk and turn the 4th of July into the 4th of Shit
having hs qb intellectuals explain to me how exactly hand shakers fucked up , and why they deserve to die
my friend the only crypto currency you wanna get your hands on is this: quiz bowl hand shakes. There is a lot of quiz bowl hands and they all gotta shake

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:06 am
by jonpin
Cherrybell Miramonte wrote:Considering the far more substantive concerns with the game that were laid out in this thread, this seems very much not a hill worth dying on.
Who else expected that link to go to the haircut thread?

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:31 am
by The Ununtiable Twine
A Very Long Math Tossup wrote:OK, let's get this over with: does anyone have any thoughts on gender and/or sucrose?
as a male who woke up with nappy hair and also had a dr pepper, pibb xtra, and a vanilla coke today, it is difficult for me to concur with the opinions of the OP

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:05 am
by Pablo Picasso 2
AKKOLADE wrote:
AKKOLADE wrote:
Geriatric trauma wrote:
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
"This Whole Thing Reeks of Quizbowl," i holler as i overturn my team's buzzer desk and turn the 4th of July into the 4th of Shit
having hs qb intellectuals explain to me how exactly hand shakers fucked up , and why they deserve to die
my friend the only crypto currency you wanna get your hands on is this: quiz bowl hand shakes. There is a lot of quiz bowl hands and they all gotta shake
hand shaking may annoy a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people pretend to be sportsmanlike, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:45 am
by settlej
Pablo Picasso 2 wrote:
AKKOLADE wrote:
AKKOLADE wrote:
Geriatric trauma wrote:
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
"This Whole Thing Reeks of Quizbowl," i holler as i overturn my team's buzzer desk and turn the 4th of July into the 4th of Shit
having hs qb intellectuals explain to me how exactly hand shakers fucked up , and why they deserve to die
my friend the only crypto currency you wanna get your hands on is this: quiz bowl hand shakes. There is a lot of quiz bowl hands and they all gotta shake
hand shaking may annoy a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people pretend to be sportsmanlike, so, it;s impossible to say if its bad or not,
Jordan Brownstein bowed his head solemnly and spoke: "theres actually zero difference between good & bad handshakes. you imbecile. you :capybara:ing moron"

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:04 am
by Fuddle Duddle
Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) wrote:Right now, when teams shake hands at the end of quizbowl games, it is mostly a shitshow where people are throwing their hands into a massive disorganized pile-on of players. This reeks of quizbowl. It would be better if teams stayed in the order they were sitting, faced each other, stood in lines, and walked towards each other. Anybody who played childhood soccer and remembers how they make you high five while say "good game" can relate.
https://twitter.com/dril/status/922321981?lang=en

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:32 am
by the return of AHAN
That DCC guy wrote:
SNIP And I couldn’t tell u how many times I’ve had in my lifetime people in those lines tell me to “fuck off” (any sport applies). So I think the current system although chaotic is better at its heart
Good grief, where did you grow up? (Sees Austin is from the Detroit area) All right, story checks out.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:56 am
by Adelaide Glaciarium
So that's three Jacky Li level threads in a period of just over 2 months by Charlie. Is it time we talked about NYC quizbowl's poor internet presence?

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:39 am
by marianna
I too don't think teams need to form lines to approach each other to shake hands.

This is pretty minor, but I do think that players should shake hands with other players, make eye contact, and say "good game" or something of that sort with sincerity. Many times after a match, I've encountered players who carry on a conversation with someone else, not even looking at you or saying "good game", as they shake your hand. It just seems like they're going through the motions without even acknowledging you. Again, this is a very minor detail, compared to more problematic aspects of the game and community that we should focus our attention on, but I think we should be mindful of sincerely expressing respect for other players.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:42 pm
by The Stately Rhododendron
Is this how Dees thinks quizbowl games end?

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:33 pm
by ProfessorIanDuncan
the return of AHAN wrote:
That DCC guy wrote:
SNIP And I couldn’t tell u how many times I’ve had in my lifetime people in those lines tell me to “fuck off” (any sport applies). So I think the current system although chaotic is better at its heart
Good grief, where did you grow up? (Sees Austin is from the Detroit area) All right, story checks out.
I don't know about countless times, but I've heard this happen a small but significant number of times. I grew up in the NYC metro area, so this is not just a Detroit thing. But even aside from that, those lines always felt super impersonal. No one ever ended up shaking hands, just kind of slapping each others palms and saying good game in the most monotonous way possible.

Also I'm pretty sure the reason teams lined up this way was because the teams were reasonably large and the chaotic mess that would ensue wouldn't be in any way manageable. However, two teams of four (maybe five or six) shaking hands with everyone on the opposing team is manageable without confusing everyone.

I also think it's hard to implement a system of shaking hands/showing sportsmanship, because if an individual is not inclined to be enthusiastic or genuine about it then they'll find a way to be half-hearted.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:03 pm
by alexdz
Formalizing this seems like the least of our worries. If someone wanted to try and organize something a bit neater for, say, their state finals matches or a national finals, then I could see where it would be reasonable to make this congratulatory ritual a bit more neat. But for any individual match during the season? I think not.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:23 pm
by Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN)
Functioning on my phone has led to comedy, get rid of this post please.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:48 pm
by AKKOLADE
Please keep this post forever.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:49 pm
by Rufous-capped Thornbill
Quizbowl's self hatred has really gone to some interesting places this year.

Re: The end of the match

Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:57 pm
by Benin Rebirth Party
jonpin wrote:
Cherrybell Miramonte wrote:Considering the far more substantive concerns with the game that were laid out in this thread, this seems very much not a hill worth dying on.
Who else expected that link to go to the haircut thread?
I was expecting the Jordan Palmer retirement post TBH