
EDITED to clarify that the above comment was not directed to the State of Minnesota and their quizbowl board, rather at Rob Carson of the U, who has stolen our milestone for the past two pages...
i bet that thread has a much higher substance density than this one doesWoody Paige wrote:page 15!! Take THAT Minnesota!!!!
My point is that the buzzer races that already exist in quizbowl are occurring when the system is primed - so it's about who hits the button first. That's speed. Buzzer races with 3+ teams playing at once can occur when the system is locking people out - so it's about who hits the button first after the moderator clears. That's luck.dtaylor4 wrote:Dude, buzzer races already exist in regular quizbowl. Luck is a part of it. You're never going to eliminate it entirely. Also, the only way to stop negs is to get rid of those who neg, namely every quizbowl player.cornfused wrote:Simple answer: Stop negging, people. Problem solved.
But anyway, the problem with three buzzes per tossup is you're going to have a buzzer race after a "clear" of the system. That's just plain luck.
Also, I'm not sure you get it. It's three buzzes after the tossup is finished, then it goes dead. In theory, every single person could neg on a tossup, if they all buzz in before the end.
...to which I was saying, if the final was low-scoring, it's because the Sivas, Donalds, and Greg Petersons of the world are being too aggressive, not because the format is bad. In my experience, this format usually rewards people with a high tossup-to-neg ratio (for instance, Carlo.)BG MSL Champs wrote:In contrast, people were penalized one point in the finals for every neg that they had. This produced a low scoring final as every time that somebody got a question right, they would lose that point seemingly immediately.
My point is that the buzzer races that already exist in quizbowl are occurring when the system is primed - so it's about who hits the button first. That's speed. Buzzer races with 3+ teams playing at once can occur when the system is locking people out - so it's about who hits the button first after the moderator clears. That's luck.cornfused wrote:Also, I'm not sure you get it. It's three buzzes after the tossup is finished, then it goes dead. In theory, every single person could neg on a tossup, if they all buzz in before the end.
...to which I was saying, if the final was low-scoring, it's because the Sivas, Donalds, and Greg Petersons of the world are being too aggressive, not because the format is bad. In my experience, this format usually rewards people with a high tossup-to-neg ratio (for instance, Carlo.)[/quote]BG MSL Champs wrote:In contrast, people were penalized one point in the finals for every neg that they had. This produced a low scoring final as every time that somebody got a question right, they would lose that point seemingly immediately.
Somewhere on here, I outlined ones I've played under and find fair:Shcool wrote:As far as other 1 v 1 v 1... competitions are concerned, are there written rules somewhere showing how other competitions do it?
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You've forgotten that this is the Illinois thread! Volume first.Irving Alva Edison Hobophone Inventor wrote: Uh, who cares?
Isn't a good format is supposed to show the difference between a strong and a weak team?...This format really shows the difference between a strong and a
not-so-strong team. I don’t know if that’s a big deal to most of
our steering committee members, but I think that this format
might discourage some participation from the weaker teams.
David Adkins, Springfield HS
I think there was misinterpretation at individual sites, or by individual coaches. We were allowing both teams to confer for as long as each bonus part was active (that is to say, before the controlling team gives an answer, regardless of whether the full 10 seconds has elapsed). That, and each rebounding team had an additional 3 seconds to give an answer/figure out an alternative if their first choice was given by the controlling team.Captain Scipio wrote:*I'm not sure the objections about non-controlling-team conferral during controlling-team conferral time or conferral during reading are objections to actual rules, or to someone's misunderstanding of the rules. Can anyone clarify that?
I seem to remember being anti-ACf style bonus the first time I encountered it (ACE camp I think). Therefore I would agree that it takes several exposures to get one to like it. I think it's clear from who was for/against above shows that teams who have played the format before like it more. Now that might just be because they are better teams (which might be the real reason they like the format) who showed initiative in the past to go to these tournaments or that they liked the format because they had a comparative advantage having experience with it. However, I claim that the teams with experience in the format like it because it is better and they have realized this fact over.mlaird wrote: I feel that coaches who have only experienced it once are prone to give a very myopic view of what they see.
So reported (with the forum's report feature).Shcool wrote:REMOVE THAT LINK IMMEDIATELY! That is for members only!
Deveau by himself is a top ten team. He's nasty.cornfused wrote:Somebody voted Maine South as a top-ten team?
Next person to page snipe gets a tempban out of general spite.Woody Paige wrote:page 15!! Take THAT Rob Carson!!!!
EDITED to clarify that the above comment was not directed to the State of Minnesota and their quizbowl board, rather at Rob Carson of the U, who has stolen our milestone for the past two pages...
I think we still have one more post until that happens, anyway. There it goes.FredMorlan wrote:Next person to page snipe gets a tempban out of general spite.Woody Paige wrote:page 15!! Take THAT Rob Carson!!!!
EDITED to clarify that the above comment was not directed to the State of Minnesota and their quizbowl board, rather at Rob Carson of the U, who has stolen our milestone for the past two pages...
I wasn't aware he'd gotten that good. Wow.cornfused wrote:This just in: 740 + 1 is not 751. Also, check out how dumb my 1000th post was.FredMorlan wrote:I think we still have one more post until that happens, anyway. There it goes.Woody Paige wrote:stuff
Actual thoughts:JackGlerum wrote:Deveau by himself is a top ten team. He's nasty.cornfused wrote:Somebody voted Maine South as a top-ten team?
There are no links to it except those sent out via email. If some hacker has figured out a way to access IHSSBCA newsletter URLs, then he has earned the right to read them for free. Everybody else can pay $30 to get four newsletters and support Illinois Scholastic Bowl.JackGlerum wrote:Follow-up: If it is private, why is it open to the public on the internet? Isn't that sort of counter-productive? This is the only reason I posted it, since it isn't protected, password or otherwise, in the link.
Are there jackets available?Shcool wrote:REMOVE THAT LINK IMMEDIATELY! That is for members only!
Based on our interpretation of the printed rules and what generally seemed to happen in matches not moderated by Laird, teams were not allowed to confer during the reading of the bonus parts. I'd say that does make a pretty huge difference, especially for the non-controlling team who plays against a team with less knowledge on the topic of the bonus question. As a captain, I can attest to the fact that it was often difficult to produce an answer in time on rebounds.Captain Scipio wrote:I'm not sure the objections about non-controlling-team conferral during controlling-team conferral time or conferral during reading are objections to actual rules, or to someone's misunderstanding of the rules. Can anyone clarify that?
I'm just going based on the following things we do know:David Riley wrote:Greg--just curious, who else has defected, recently?
Gotta love that Florida format.rjaguar3 wrote:Quizbowl strongholds like Missouri