Fake ICT 2 Mirror at UIUC - March 21st

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:50 am

Potential tournament schedules:

15 teams: full RR, finals
16 teams: 2x8, rebracket, 2x8, finals
18 teams: 2x9, rebracket, 3x6, finals

Cheynem · Post by **Cheynem** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:55 am

Barring any last-minute changes, Minnesota will have two teams. Rather than form a third team, at least one (probably two--myself and Bernadette) of its members will play with Jonathan Magin and Michael Hill.

Post by **theMoMA** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:17 pm

Minnesota plans to bring two teams, and I think Mike and Bernadette will be playing with Jonathan Magin.

No Rules Westbrook · Post by **No Rules Westbrook** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:26 am

Oh, uh, sorry...to respond to Seth, I don't know what time we'll be getting done on Saturday, but I'll make every effort to speed things along. My tournament should take about the same amount of time to play as it did last year, and I think 9 or 10 is doable, if FICHTE goes well. Why do you ask about 9 - do the buildings close at 9 or something, or is that just the number you've chosen as "nice time to be done playing qb"?

As for basketball, I'd love to throw my hat in, but I don't think my FICHTE itinerary will allow it. I'll be getting there late on Friday and probably leaving Sunday morning.

Cheynem · Post by **Cheynem** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:37 am

I think the 9 time was a reference to when one of the rec buildings closed.

swwFCqb · Post by **swwFCqb** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:03 pm

I emailed you Don, but to be sure you are aware, Case will unfortunately not be able to attend.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:10 pm

Noted. Ike, you still coming?

Ike · Post by **Ike** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:26 am

Yes I am, I believe Trevor Davis will be getting a ride with me.

Pilgrim · Post by **Pilgrim** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:49 am

Ike wrote:Yes I am, I believe Trevor Davis will be getting a ride with me.

correct

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:17 am

Field as of right now:

Brown
Chicago A
Chicago B
Harvard
Minnesota A
Minnesota B
Michigan A
Michigan B
Missouri State
Billy LaferDeesBrook
Jon Magin/Minnesota people/Mike Hill
Rom + Bryce

Free Agents
Ike
Trevor Davis

Unless we get to 16 teams, I plan on running a simple full RR, with finals.

wd4gdz · Post by **wd4gdz** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:28 am

So, what's the deal with Fake Trashionals? In theory, I suppose it can't be canceled if it was never actually announced. Any suggestions for what I can do in scenic Urbana until 730pm on Sunday night?

MichaelKearney · Post by **MichaelKearney** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:48 pm

I'd also like to know the status of Fake TRASHionals, since I was planning on bringing a team solely for it.

It seems that there were a lot of teams at this site who wanted to play, regardless of the status of the Tulsa/Berkeley sites.
Is it actually in a playable format? I'd understand if it wasn't done, but I don't understand postponing it for the sake of other regions.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:58 pm

MichaelKearney wrote:I'd also like to know the status of Fake TRASHionals, since I was planning on bringing a team solely for it.

It seems that there were a lot of teams at this site who wanted to play, regardless of the status of the Tulsa/Berkeley sites.
Is it actually in a playable format? I'd understand if it wasn't done, but I don't understand postponing it for the sake of other regions.

At this time, it is postponed.

EncyclopediaCDRom · Post by **EncyclopediaCDRom** » Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:00 am

I will be teaming up with Bryce Durgin, another player from Notre Dame, and a hopeful fourth player TBD for this Fake ICT 2 Mirror at UIUC.

Happy consecutive Friday the 13th,
Rom Masrour
CPS/UIC

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:23 pm

Due to teammates dropping and the fact that Michael already got a team, I am going to instead offer myself and possibly one other teammate as free agents for another team. The unfortunate part of this too is that now we don't really have the money to pay for a hotel, so if anyone has somewhere for us to sleep on the floor (and we can split if needed too) please email me at [email protected].

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:55 pm

As it stands, we're at 13 teams. Assuming this holds, I plan on putting any remaining free agents onto one team to avoid byes.

Also: given the staffing shortage, it is likely that teams will be asked to read on their byes. For the two player/reader rooms, I plan on setting up guest accounts to access the wireless network, as packets and scoresheets will be transmitted wirelessly.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:35 pm

Due to my inability to remember emails sent to me more than two days ago, I have more readers than previously thought. However, teams will be asked to scorekeep on their byes. We likely will be using the excel scoresheet template, so please bring your laptop.

Assuming the field holds as is, I will put Ike and Trevor Davis on a team, and do a bracketed round robin (2x7), followed by another (2x7). The top 3 in each bracket will make the top bracket, and the two 4th place teams will play a round on the clock to determine who makes the top bracket. Preliminary records will carry over, but the tiebreaker game will not. Assuming there are enough packets, ties in record will be played off.

Schedules will be made up tomorrow night, so any changes re: teams/free agents should be made by then.

If you have any questions, post here or email me.

Hope to see y'all Saturday,
Donald Taylor
TD, FICHTE Illinois mirror

Pilgrim · Post by **Pilgrim** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:53 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:Assuming the field holds as is, I will put Ike and Trevor Davis on a team

This is what we were planning on doing anyway, so I guess you can officially mark us down for a team even if other stuff happens.

Gautam · Post by **Gautam** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:53 pm

Is a full round robing not feasible? It seems like both would require the same number of rounds....

Post by **Auks Ran Ova** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:55 pm

Yeah, a full round robin is 100% preferable.

Post by **theMoMA** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:56 pm

gkandlikar wrote:Is a full round robing not feasible?

I hope everyone at this tournament plans to be fully robed...

setht · Post by **setht** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:02 pm

dtaylor4 wrote:Assuming the field holds as is, I will put Ike and Trevor Davis on a team, and do a bracketed round robin (2x7), followed by another (2x7). The top 3 in each bracket will make the top bracket, and the two 4th place teams will play a round on the clock to determine who makes the top bracket. Preliminary records will carry over, but the tiebreaker game will not. Assuming there are enough packets, ties in record will be played off.

Schedules will be made up tomorrow night, so any changes re: teams/free agents should be made by then.

If you have any questions, post here or email me.

Hope to see y'all Saturday,
Donald Taylor
TD, FICHTE Illinois mirror

Since the packets are blind to the teams, could we modify the schedule to eliminate byes? I think a full round-robin (13 games in 13 rounds) is more appealing than 2x7 twice (12 games in 14 rounds). With 18 rounds, we could do a full round-robin, then split 4/6/4 for playoffs--that way there are 2 packets left for finals, and everyone gets 16 games (18 games for the middle bracket). If you prefer starting off with a bracketed round-robin, there could be cross-over matches (and presumably if you're making an effort to balance the initial brackets the cross-over matches could be set up to pit teams of roughly similar level against each other), then split into playoff brackets of 8 and 6 or something.

-Seth

Mechanical Beasts · Post by **Mechanical Beasts** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:42 pm

setht wrote:Since the packets are blind to the teams, could we modify the schedule to eliminate byes? I think a full round-robin (13 games in 13 rounds) is more appealing than 2x7 twice (12 games in 14 rounds). With 18 rounds, we could do a full round-robin, then split 4/6/4 for playoffs--that way there are 2 packets left for finals, and everyone gets 16 games (18 games for the middle bracket). If you prefer starting off with a bracketed round-robin, there could be cross-over matches (and presumably if you're making an effort to balance the initial brackets the cross-over matches could be set up to pit teams of roughly similar level against each other), then split into playoff brackets of 8 and 6 or something.

I had an incoherent version of this suggestion, and then I saw that it'd already been posted. I endorse this option.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:17 am

At this point, I understand most of the arguments posited.

That being said: I have 18 packets. 2 for finals leaves me 16. I'd like to reserve 1 or 2 for use as tiebreakers, as I plan to have them played off rather than using statistics. At this point, would people be against a simple full RR, playing off tiebreakers, plus finals?

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:22 am

I'd be down with that personally, it would let Ryan's doubles get going sooner.

Post by **Auks Ran Ova** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:26 am

Yeah, that would work just fine for me.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:41 pm

I just received word that WUSTL dropped, so we're down to 13. Plan is still for a RR with finals.

On Saturday: Be at the Armory, Room 333, 8:30am. I'll post a schedule with map tonight. If you get lost or are gonna be late, call me at (217) 493-4500.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:26 pm

Thanks go out to Jonah Greenthal, who made the schedule/map found here: http://www.illinoisabt.org/20090321fich ... andout.pdf

Numerous color copies will be made available Saturday. The Armory has a weird set of staircases, so it's easy to get lost.

EncyclopediaCDRom · Post by **EncyclopediaCDRom** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:26 pm

Since two teams of free agents (Rom + Bryce & Trevor + Ike) have just two players each, could we merge into one four-player team, leaving 12 teams, 6 gamerooms, no byes, and 11 rounds played for each squad before whatever playoffs? Perhaps a round or two would be eliminated, maybe resulting in an earlier start (and finish) for Ryan Westbrook's experimental tough doubles/triples/quadruples?

Happy early vernal equinox tomorrow,
Rom Masrour
CPS/UIC

Mechanical Beasts · Post by **Mechanical Beasts** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:30 pm

EncyclopediaCDRom wrote:Since two teams of free agents (Rom + Bryce & Trevor + Ike) have just two players each, could we merge into one four-player team, leaving 12 teams, 6 gamerooms, no byes, and 11 rounds played for each squad before whatever playoffs? Perhaps a round or two would be eliminated, maybe resulting in an earlier start (and finish) for Ryan Westbrook's experimental tough doubles/triples/quadruples?

Yeah, 12 is a great number and gives the opportunity to play three more rounds (14 rounds, still no byes) by doing a 4x3 playoff, then finals (with still two rounds for tiebreakers/ wankery).

No Rules Westbrook · Post by **No Rules Westbrook** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:38 pm

Yeah, I think doing a 12-team rr, then 3 brackets of 4, would be the best of all worlds....though, 15 rounds will take awhile, and who knows what time of night we'll be done after my tourney, but c'est la vie, I guess.

Strongside · Post by **Strongside** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:08 pm

I also think doing a 12 team round robin, followed by 3 brackets of 2, then finals, would be a great format for 12 teams.

Alternately, you could do a 12 team round robin, followed by 2 brackets of 6, then finals. That would mean there wouldn't be any extra packets for playing off tiebreakers, or if the wrong round was read.

If you are short on staff, I would be fine with an odd number of teams, so you could have people to staff on byes.

The rounds are timed, so they should go faster than a regular untimed tournament would go.

Post by **Auks Ran Ova** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:43 pm

everyday847 wrote:Yeah, 12 is a great number and gives the opportunity to play three more rounds (14 rounds, still no byes) by doing a 4x3 playoff, then finals (with still two rounds for tiebreakers/ wankery).

I like this. Also, timed rounds do put somewhat of a ceiling on the duration of the tournament.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:34 pm

Short: Minnesota A d. Chicago A in a one-game final

Carleton's MO team · Post by **Carleton's MO team** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:13 am

Surely if we little people at Carleton owe everyone who was forced into byes at Minnesota Open a small bit of entry back according to you, Matt Weiner, then you, you quizbowl bigshot, owe teams like Harvard and Brown that flew in to play this event some portion of their plane ticket!

Post by **Auks Ran Ova** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 2:48 am

Carleton's MO team wrote:Surely if we little people at Carleton owe everyone who was forced into byes at Minnesota Open a small bit of entry back according to you, Matt Weiner, then you, you quizbowl bigshot, owe teams like Harvard and Brown that flew in to play this event some portion of their plane ticket!

Iceburn, Charles Dees!

In other, slightly more clarified news, Chicago and Minnesota A were 4-1 in the playoff bracket (we lost to Brown, Chicago lost to us), necessitating a one-game final, which we won.

Post by **theMoMA** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:00 am

If that is Dees, he's clearly just pandering for votes in the Writers tournament.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:32 pm

First off, I would like to thank everyone who came and made this tournament what it was. This includes the staff: Brandon Cheney, Trygve Meade, Mike Sorice, Micah Hodosh, James Sanner, Chris Vicich, Sam Carruthers, Will Turner, and Greg Baboukis. Of course much thanks also go to Charles Martin, who ably manned the main room and did an excellent job with stats.

Speaking of stats: Charles is probably on his way home, but stats should be posted in the next day or so.

I would also like to thank the teams/players who came out, especially Harvard, Brown, Billy Beyer, and Jonathan Magin, who flew in to play at our site.

We did two brackets of six, followed by a five-round bracketed playoff. Minnesota and Chicago were both 4-1, so a one-game final was played, with Minnesota coming out on top 370-315, so congrats to them.

The top scorers were Jonathan Magin, Seth Teitler, and Jerry Vinokurov. Jerry also took the neg prize with 11 negs in the first five rounds.

More results: In quizbowl basketball, two games were played. In game one, the team of myself/Magin/Gioia/Simons beat Jerry/Aaron/Hart/Westbrook 15-4. In game two, the team of Gioia/Magin/Hart/Westbrook beat myself/simons/Aaron/Jerry 15-8.

I'll leave the info concerning the Experiment and comic books to their respective threads. If I forgot anything, I apologize.

EDIT: I did forget something. My eternal gratitude goes out to Jonah Greenthal, who probably made 6-7 different schedules during the days leading up to the tournament, including the final one at about 2:30am.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:17 pm

Was it only six or seven? :-P

Statistics are up.

Post by **theMoMA** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:22 am

jonah wrote:Was it only six or seven? :-P

Statistics are up.

There seems to be something wrong with the individual stats on Jonathan's team.

Cheynem · Post by **Cheynem** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:24 am

Yeah, I mean I would assume that some of Magin's stats were actually credited to Bernadette's, as while she had a fine tourney, I do not think she scored more than Jonathan did on our team.

naturalistic phallacy · Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:27 am

Cheynem wrote:Yeah, I mean I would assume that some of Magin's stats were actually credited to Bernadette's, as while she had a fine tourney, I do not think she scored more than Jonathan did on our team.

LONG NAMES ARE HARRRD

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:31 am

Cheynem wrote:Yeah, I mean I would assume that some of Magin's stats were actually credited to Bernadette's, as while she had a fine tourney, I do not think she scored more than Jonathan did on our team.

This may be because initially, Charles had "Jonathan" and "Magin" entered as two different people, not realizing that they were one and the same.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:34 am

Someone should contact Charles with the correct information so that he can resolve the discrepancy and re-send the files to me. I can't do anything myself; I just work here.

Cheynem · Post by **Cheynem** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:39 am

Jonathan and Magin apart are merely okay players, but with their powers combined, he is an unstoppable force in literature, American history, and science frauding.

Post by **Auks Ran Ova** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:07 am

Also, if you could add the stats from the finals game, that'd be great.

dtaylor4 · Post by **dtaylor4** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:15 am

Ukonvasara wrote:Also, if you could add the stats from the finals game, that'd be great.

Charles has been notified.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:45 am

Stuff should be fixed now; same address.

grapesmoker · Post by **grapesmoker** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:57 am

jonah wrote:Stuff should be fixed now; same address.

There still seems to be something wrong with Jonathan's stats. It would be nice to have them corrected for the sake of accuracy.

Magister Ludi · Post by **Magister Ludi** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:32 pm

My stats are incorrect, who should I email with my correct stat line to have them fixed?