2009-10 Preseason Top 50

t-bar · Post by **t-bar** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:51 pm

Inkana7 wrote:
t-bar wrote:
Inkana7 wrote:
FredMorlan wrote:
wexs883198215 wrote:Hm....from the looks of it, we are either way overrated or totally forgotten
Walter Johnson is mentioned in the Just Misses post. Walter Johnson has always been mentioned in the Just Misses post. Walter Johnson is our ally.

Sorry :(
Walter Johnson did very well without Daichi last year. Kuo-Kai is a good player.
I don't disagree with you that Kuo-Kai is a good player, but do you know of a tournament WJ went to that Daichi didn't attend? I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Thinking back on it, I think it might have been a tournament that Daichi played with Kuo-Kai's name, since WJ's other players at that tournament were Guy T., Henry G., and I think Naren T....

If that's the case, then I was mistaken, and sorry.

Yeah, that was the TJIAT: http://activities.tjhsst.edu/quizbowl/2 ... l.html#t36.

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:54 pm

Stop playing under pseudonyms you idiots!

Rufous-capped Thornbill · Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:57 pm

My mistake!

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:14 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Free Energy wrote:Stop playing under pseudonyms you idiots!

Unless you have to mask your participation, of course. Otherwise, though, it's just annoying.

Post by **Unicolored Jay** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:53 pm

Oh how I wish I went to PACE NSC 2009! I would show better stats than a measly 32-ish ppg in a format I am, to be honest, not so good at. Too much trash and computation for me.

Anyways, I think our team is ranked much higher than I ever thought we would be, and I kinda doubt we deserve it...but now I'm motivated to work harder.

Jeremy Gibbs Free Energy wrote:Stop playing under pseudonyms you idiots!

And that was why I had cognitive dissonance in my mind for some time when looking through Hunter Prison Bowl stats.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:30 pm

Hey Fred are we going to an actual preseason poll as well here for everybody? The season kinda starts in like three days for some teams down south.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:30 pm

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Hey Fred are we going to an actual preseason poll as well here for everybody? The season kinda starts in like three days for some teams down south.

We sure are. I'm going to announce it this weekend.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:47 am

11 through 20 here.

Rococo A Go Go · Post by **Rococo A Go Go** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:17 am

It's nice to see a couple KY teams (Dunbar and Manual) ranked highly. One thing I like seeing from this poll is the fact that a lot of teams from a lot of different areas of the country are fielding strong, nationally competitve teams. This season should be fun to watch.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:32 am

So... who's left?

Georgetown Day, Maggie Walker, State College, Wilmington Charter, Dorman, Hunter, Southside... LASA?... Mission SJ?... Hoover? (really?)...

That's my guess at what teams are left, and that's in no order (actually, it's in the order i thought of them, nevermind). Several of them will be ranked too high but i'm interested to see the order Fred chooses.

gyre and gimble · Post by **gyre and gimble** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:05 am

hey Fred, thanks for putting us at such a good ranking, we'll certainly have to work harder to meet expectations. I was actually thinking Torrey Pines, being the not extremely active team we are (which I'm hoping will change), had missed the radar.

I've got two things to note, and I'm not sure how it will change people's opinions.

1. Vivek was a senior last year. he's going to UCSD now, and I think that means we're losing a good third of our tossup points from last year.
2. We definitely do have a "third" and "fourth" player, although they're more like "second" and "third" since Vivek isn't #2. These two have been studying, and would certainly beat VIvek if they played two on one against him. On the other hand, Vivek scores 80% of his points on deep history/politics knowledge, and I don't know if we can cover that easily.

kayli · Post by **kayli** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:08 am

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Hoover? (really?)... .

If I'm not mistaken, Hoover returns all of the players on HSNCT A team which placed 17th place with 273.4 pp20th and 17.45ppb. I quake in my flip flops at the distinct possibility that Pensacola may have to play them in all their bowling shirt (my favorite team shirt ever) glory.

Joe Romersa · Post by **Joe Romersa** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:12 am

http://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 00#p133115

Censorship in Burma wrote:Vivek's a senior this year, and Stephen is a junior. Also, I'm certain that Vivek wasn't there at SCIENCE!

oops, sorry, didnt see stephen already noted that >.>

dxdtdemon · Post by **dxdtdemon** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:27 am

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:So... who's left?

Georgetown Day, Maggie Walker, State College, Wilmington Charter, Dorman, Hunter, Southside... LASA?... Mission SJ?... Hoover? (really?)...

That's my guess at what teams are left, and that's in no order (actually, it's in the order i thought of them, nevermind). Several of them will be ranked too high but i'm interested to see the order Fred chooses.

I'm wondering if either a)Fred believes that Brindlee Mountain will make a huge comeback, or b)he's going to put an A and B team from one of the first seven schools you mentioned in the top ten. I think that there may also be a really good team from Minnesota that hasn't been listed yet, but I may be mistaken on that.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:47 am

Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Hoover? (really?)... .
If I'm not mistaken, Hoover returns all of the players on HSNCT A team which placed 17th place with 273.4 pp20th and 17.45ppb. I quake in my flip flops at the distinct possibility that Pensacola may have to play them in all their bowling shirt (my favorite team shirt ever) glory.

Good point then, Kay. They should be real good. If that's true then most likely the ten teams i picked have to be the ten left. I contend that at least one of them though should not be ranked that high.

The King's Flight to the Scots · Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:39 am

quantumfootball wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:So... who's left?

Georgetown Day, Maggie Walker, State College, Wilmington Charter, Dorman, Hunter, Southside... LASA?... Mission SJ?... Hoover? (really?)...

That's my guess at what teams are left, and that's in no order (actually, it's in the order i thought of them, nevermind). Several of them will be ranked too high but i'm interested to see the order Fred chooses.
I'm wondering if either a)Fred believes that Brindlee Mountain will make a huge comeback, or b)he's going to put an A and B team from one of the first seven schools you mentioned in the top ten. I think that there may also be a really good team from Minnesota that hasn't been listed yet, but I may be mistaken on that.

State College B and Maggie Walker B were strong last year, though I don't think Maggie Walker B was anywhere near top 10.

EDIT: Chattahoochee hasn't been mentioned, either.

aestheteboy · Post by **aestheteboy** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:18 am

I predict that WJ will place above at least a half dozen teams at NSC (and HSNCT if they attend). KK tends to fail to buzz in, not from lack of knowledge, but out of deference.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:20 am

There are no B-teams ranked.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:48 am

gyre and gimble wrote:hey Fred, thanks for putting us at such a good ranking, we'll certainly have to work harder to meet expectations. I was actually thinking Torrey Pines, being the not extremely active team we are (which I'm hoping will change), had missed the radar.

I've got two things to note, and I'm not sure how it will change people's opinions.

1. Vivek was a senior last year. he's going to UCSD now, and I think that means we're losing a good third of our tossup points from last year.
2. We definitely do have a "third" and "fourth" player, although they're more like "second" and "third" since Vivek isn't #2. These two have been studying, and would certainly beat VIvek if they played two on one against him. On the other hand, Vivek scores 80% of his points on deep history/politics knowledge, and I don't know if we can cover that easily.

And here I thought I could at least say that I didn't miss any notable player exits. Shoot.

Well, if those two have improved notably and can at least match Vivek's output, then you'll hold the ranking I gave you. If they don't, then I'd probably drop Torrey Pines about 10 spots or so. Which, really, isn't terribly bad.

lagazzaladra · Post by **lagazzaladra** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:57 am

Just to be clear, TJ's A team for this year is Stephen, Diana, Olivia, and myself.
We also have another great science player, Greyson Lewis, who wasn't able to attend either NSC or HSNCT this year, but he will certainly make an impact at any tournaments he attends.

The King's Flight to the Scots · Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:59 am

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote: I contend that at least one of them though should not be ranked that high.

Three guesses which one.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:14 pm

Journey to the Planets wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote: I contend that at least one of them though should not be ranked that high.
Three guesses which one.

no dont

Self-incompatibility in plants · Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:48 pm

20. Raleigh Charter (NC) - Trivia time: name the highest returning scorer from PACE NSC.
The answer is Raleigh Charter’s Peter, who put up 109.29 ppg at NSC. They also get Gautam’s 17.14 ppg back. This should be enough to be a top team.

I believe they also return Alan Doyle from their A team at NSC. They are going to be a pretty formidable team next year, considering they are returning so many strong players.

Joshua Rutsky · Post by **Joshua Rutsky** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:28 pm

Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Hoover? (really?)... .
If I'm not mistaken, Hoover returns all of the players on HSNCT A team which placed 17th place with 273.4 pp20th and 17.45ppb. I quake in my flip flops at the distinct possibility that Pensacola may have to play them in all their bowling shirt (my favorite team shirt ever) glory.

Kay is now my favorite person ever. Thanks for getting our back.

And for the fashion bump.

We won't be returning all four of our starters, but we will be returning the top three for their senior year, and while we are going to feel the loss of our lit specialist, Patrick and Lowell are well on their way to closing that hole after a summer of work. It's hard to judge how good we are since we rarely play outside of the Southeast, but we think we can do some damage this year.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:50 pm

Joshua Rutsky wrote:
Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:Hoover? (really?)... .
If I'm not mistaken, Hoover returns all of the players on HSNCT A team which placed 17th place with 273.4 pp20th and 17.45ppb. I quake in my flip flops at the distinct possibility that Pensacola may have to play them in all their bowling shirt (my favorite team shirt ever) glory.

Kay is now my favorite person ever. Thanks for getting our back. And for the fashion bump.

We won't be returning all four of our starters, but we will be returning the top three for their senior year, and while we are going to feel the loss of our lit specialist, Patrick and Lowell are well on their way to closing that hole after a summer of work. It's hard to judge how good we are since we rarely play outside of the Southeast, but we think we can do some damage this year.

I wasn't questioning your ability, it's just a team i know nothing about at all. Hopefully you can change that this year!

wexs883198215 · Post by **wexs883198215** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:42 pm

Oh, haha I guess I missed that part of the list.

mhawlik · Post by **mhawlik** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:03 pm

Hoover will be crazy good. Having played them at full strength in the 2009 HSNCT, and won and lost once, I am shocked to learn that they will be returning all of their players... I have no doubt that if they go to NSC and HSNCT, they will be competing for the top five.

AlphaQuizBowler · Post by **AlphaQuizBowler** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:30 pm

Journey to the Planets wrote:
quantumfootball wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:So... who's left?

Georgetown Day, Maggie Walker, State College, Wilmington Charter, Dorman, Hunter, Southside... LASA?... Mission SJ?... Hoover? (really?)...

That's my guess at what teams are left, and that's in no order (actually, it's in the order i thought of them, nevermind). Several of them will be ranked too high but i'm interested to see the order Fred chooses.
I'm wondering if either a)Fred believes that Brindlee Mountain will make a huge comeback, or b)he's going to put an A and B team from one of the first seven schools you mentioned in the top ten. I think that there may also be a really good team from Minnesota that hasn't been listed yet, but I may be mistaken on that.

State College B and Maggie Walker B were strong last year, though I don't think Maggie Walker B was anywhere near top 10.

EDIT: Chattahoochee hasn't been mentioned, either.

Chattahoochee's 33.

Joshua Rutsky · Post by **Joshua Rutsky** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:48 pm

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:I wasn't questioning your ability, it's just a team i know nothing about at all. Hopefully you can change that this year!

No offense taken. You have to earn a reputation, and we're still working on it.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:37 pm

Joshua Rutsky wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:I wasn't questioning your ability, it's just a team i know nothing about at all. Hopefully you can change that this year!
No offense taken. You have to earn a reputation, and we're still working on it.

Ha, i definitely know just what you mean.

So Fred, when's the top 10?

Rococo A Go Go · Post by **Rococo A Go Go** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:52 pm

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote: So Fred, when's the top 10?

I hope it's soon! I can't....wait....much...much lon.....ger!

In all seriousness though, I am pretty excited to see the top 10. These rankings have been excellent in breaking down teams and trying to place them according to the facts available, and overall have given a pretty good preview of what to expect this upcoming season. Fred's done a really good job.

Self-incompatibility in plants · Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:54 pm

soaringeagle22 wrote:
Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote: So Fred, when's the top 10?
I hope it's soon! I can't....wait....much...much lon.....ger!

In all seriousness though, I am pretty excited to see the top 10. These rankings have been excellent in breaking down teams and trying to place them according to the facts available, and overall have given a pretty good preview of what to expect this upcoming season. Fred's done a really good job.

I agree with everything you just said, Nick.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:32 am

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:So Fred, when's the top 10?

Shouldn't be up any later than late Saturday.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:46 am

BG MSL Champs wrote:You are doing a great job with the rankings, but BJ is right. It appears that you are basing all of your rankings off of national tournament results, which is perfectly understandable. However, with Illinois this does not tell the whole story.

I'll let their performance in the future dictate placement in the future. I'm also certain that there are teams from other states that the same things could be said about.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:04 pm

Last 10 teams can be found here.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:13 pm

Good rankings. Yay i was right picking the ten teams. There is no doubt that SC and Gov are the top two teams, and in my mind no doubt that Gov is number one, personally. But the competition for the rest of the top 10 is totally up for grabs.

EDIT: Cool, i was the only coach referenced in the whole list.

Self-incompatibility in plants · Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:39 pm

These were great, Fred, thanks for doing this. The only issue I really had with these rankings is that I think Raleigh Charter should be ranked higher, but that is a minor issue at best. I really enjoyed reading through these, thanks again!

quizbowllee · Post by **quizbowllee** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:22 pm

quantumfootball wrote: I'm wondering if either a)Fred believes that Brindlee Mountain will make a huge comeback....

LOL. While I was watching this top 50 unfold, I was wondering the same thing. When we weren't in the "close, but no cigar" batch or the 41-50 batch, I started to think that Fred was either seriously overrating us or seriously underrating us. As more and more teams were added, it become obvious that it was the latter.

If up to me, I doubt I would put us in the top 50 right now. Our showing at HSNCT was lackluster at best. Although, we did beat some decent teams (Cesar Rodney, Russell, etc.) at least once, we had a terrible ppg and ppb. But, we are returning all four starters.

Unfortunately for us, Hoover is going to dominate Alabama this year. I'm not sure that we can give them even a close game, much less defeat them. But, I'm hoping that we can at least re-establish ourselves as a top Alabama team and a team that has the potential to break into the top 25.

Down and out in Quintana Roo · Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:32 pm

quizbowllee wrote:Our showing at HSNCT was lackluster at best. Although, we did beat some decent teams (Cesar Rodney, Russell, etc.) at least once, we had a terrible ppg and ppb. But, we are returning all four starters.

It certainly wasn't the greatest game that i saw that day, but you guys played pretty well when you beat us. We most certainly did not. I think we've both improved, and i could see you challenging to be one of the best teams in Alabama. You've got to think that you can beat Hoover or there's no way it could happen though. We're certainly going into this year with our most ambitious goal ever: beat Charter. If we can do that, you can pull off the Hoover upset.

quizbowllee · Post by **quizbowllee** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:48 pm

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:
quizbowllee wrote:Our showing at HSNCT was lackluster at best. Although, we did beat some decent teams (Cesar Rodney, Russell, etc.) at least once, we had a terrible ppg and ppb. But, we are returning all four starters.
It certainly wasn't the greatest game that i saw that day, but you guys played pretty well when you beat us. We most certainly did not. I think we've both improved, and i could see you challenging to be one of the best teams in Alabama. You've got to think that you can beat Hoover or there's no way it could happen though. We're certainly going into this year with our most ambitious goal ever: beat Charter. If we can do that, you can pull off the Hoover upset.

Andrew, I'm trying this new "humility" thing out. We'll see how it goes. The rhetoric that I espouse in practice is very different

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Rococo A Go Go · Post by **Rococo A Go Go** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:55 pm

Dr. Bunsen Honeydew wrote:We're certainly going into this year with our most ambitious goal ever: beat Charter.

You all certainly have the ability to do it IMO, and motivating players to beat a certain opponent actually does seem to have an effect. We went in to last year with goals of beating certain teams in our region, and we played our best games against those teams. If you all focus on Charter extensively, you might not only beat them at some point, but might surprise yourself in the process.

btressler · Post by **btressler** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:54 pm

I thought our ranking was kind, I would have put us a little lower. We'll see. In the pre-Henry years we were a 11th-20th team, and we might be headed back to that for a while.

Good luck to Gov, State College, Hunter, and others listed from our area. I'm always proud to tell my new players that we play quizbowl in the toughest region of the country.

Adventure Temple Trail · Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:39 pm

Yeah, um, we're pretty highly over-ranked too, but thanks for the compliment, I guess?

Regardless, it should be interesting to see how this preliminary top 50 changes into an actual top 50 as the year goes on.

CoolBuzzerHandLuke · Post by **CoolBuzzerHandLuke** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:13 pm

There is a story behind those stats for duPont Manual

Akshai was very sick at the HSNCT and Meghamsh was as well

Shray finished 1st at ACE for Lit (Campbellsville), Vishnu won a national championship for Academic WorldQuest and I won the top Freshman at NAQT (not to be boastful, just for the record. I have quite a while to go in Quiz Bowl, I'm sorry if i seem like an ***hole). We also have revamped our recruiting and practice system to be more focused on content areas and more productive during practices. The A Team will have Shray, Akshai, (probably) Meghamsh (who has learned quite a lot of Science and Music) and the 4th spot is up for grabs.

at your pleasure · Post by **at your pleasure** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Academic WorldQuest

May I ask what this is?

CoolBuzzerHandLuke · Post by **CoolBuzzerHandLuke** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:38 pm

Doink the Clown wrote:
Academic WorldQuest
May I ask what this is?

it is a strictly current events and social studies based academic compeition with a group of 4 team members, Henry Gorman was the Delaware champion, I believe

The Atom Strikes! · Post by **The Atom Strikes!** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:30 pm

CoolBuzzerHandLuke wrote:
Doink the Clown wrote:
Academic WorldQuest
May I ask what this is?
it is a strictly current events and social studies based academic compeition with a group of 4 team members, Henry Gorman was the Delaware champion, I believe

Other high school quizbowl luminaries including Cody Simmons, Sam Peterson, Matt Jackson, and Charlie Rosenthal, at least, have attended national championships in the three years that Charter has done so. The Charter teams for the past few years have been almost entirely composed of quizbowl players.

CoolBuzzerHandLuke · Post by **CoolBuzzerHandLuke** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:51 pm

Henry O Godwinn wrote:
CoolBuzzerHandLuke wrote:
Doink the Clown wrote:
Academic WorldQuest
May I ask what this is?
it is a strictly current events and social studies based academic compeition with a group of 4 team members, Henry Gorman was the Delaware champion, I believe
Other high school quizbowl luminaries including Cody Simmons, Sam Peterson, Matt Jackson, and Charlie Rosenthal, at least, have attended national championships in the three years that Charter has done so. The Charter teams for the past few years have been almost entirely composed of quizbowl players.

our national champion team has 1 out of 4

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:55 pm

CoolBuzzerHandLuke wrote:There is a story behind those stats for duPont Manual

Akshai was very sick at the HSNCT and Meghamsh was as well

Shray finished 1st at ACE for Lit (Campbellsville), Vishnu won a national championship for Academic WorldQuest and I won the top Freshman at NAQT (not to be boastful, just for the record. I have quite a while to go in Quiz Bowl, I'm sorry if i seem like an ***hole). We also have revamped our recruiting and practice system to be more focused on content areas and more productive during practices. The A Team will have Shray, Akshai, (probably) Meghamsh (who has learned quite a lot of Science and Music) and the 4th spot is up for grabs.

No one said bad things about duPont Manual quiz bowl, but good things?

CoolBuzzerHandLuke · Post by **CoolBuzzerHandLuke** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 4:31 pm

FredMorlan wrote:
CoolBuzzerHandLuke wrote:There is a story behind those stats for duPont Manual

Akshai was very sick at the HSNCT and Meghamsh was as well

Shray finished 1st at ACE for Lit (Campbellsville), Vishnu won a national championship for Academic WorldQuest and I won the top Freshman at NAQT (not to be boastful, just for the record. I have quite a while to go in Quiz Bowl, I'm sorry if i seem like an ***hole). We also have revamped our recruiting and practice system to be more focused on content areas and more productive during practices. The A Team will have Shray, Akshai, (probably) Meghamsh (who has learned quite a lot of Science and Music) and the 4th spot is up for grabs.
No one said bad things about duPont Manual quiz bowl, but good things?

i just meant that those stats were unrepresentative