Early Season Poll
Early Season Poll
Dan-Don has graciously offered to conduct an early-season poll of Illinois teams. My ballot for the IHSSBCA Coaches' Poll, class AA, was as follows:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. New Trier
10. Stevenson
That is not my ballot for the board poll; I just wanted to post it publicly. I was restricted to IHSA class AA teams, but rated my assessment of them strictly with respect to good quizbowl. I also submitted a partial class A ballot: 1. Lisle, 2. Litchfield, 3. Latin; I don't know if it will be used in the final compilation.
Allowing the inclusion of class A and non-IHSA teams, I submit the following ballot for the board poll:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. Hobo
10. Lisle
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. New Trier
10. Stevenson
That is not my ballot for the board poll; I just wanted to post it publicly. I was restricted to IHSA class AA teams, but rated my assessment of them strictly with respect to good quizbowl. I also submitted a partial class A ballot: 1. Lisle, 2. Litchfield, 3. Latin; I don't know if it will be used in the final compilation.
Allowing the inclusion of class A and non-IHSA teams, I submit the following ballot for the board poll:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. Hobo
10. Lisle
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Re: Early Season Poll
It's that time of the year when the members of the IHSSBCA vote for their top-10. So I'm bringing back the Dan-Don poll! Same rules as last time. Anyone may rank his/her top ten teams from either class according to the standards of good quizbowl. The polls close close next Wednesday at 12:01 AM. I'll begin:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. Naperville Central
8. Barrington
9. Hobo
10. OPRF
EDIT: changed my mind about a few things
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. Naperville Central
8. Barrington
9. Hobo
10. OPRF
EDIT: changed my mind about a few things
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Loyola
2. Auburn
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Naperville Central
7. Hobo
8. Stevenson
9. Barrington
10. New Trier
2. Auburn
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Naperville Central
7. Hobo
8. Stevenson
9. Barrington
10. New Trier
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Loyola
2. Carbondale
3. Auburn
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. Oak Park River Forest
7. New Trier
8. Lisle
9. Naperville Central
10. Fremd
2. Carbondale
3. Auburn
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. Oak Park River Forest
7. New Trier
8. Lisle
9. Naperville Central
10. Fremd
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius (/cough deveau /cough)
5. Stevenson
6. Lisle
7. New Trier
8. Naperville Central (apparently? Am yet to see them play.)
9. OPRF
10. Hobo
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius (/cough deveau /cough)
5. Stevenson
6. Lisle
7. New Trier
8. Naperville Central (apparently? Am yet to see them play.)
9. OPRF
10. Hobo
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. BG
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. BG
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo
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Re: Early Season Poll
Exactly this.MoCity02 wrote:1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius (/cough deveau /cough)
5. Stevenson
6. Lisle
7. New Trier
8. Naperville Central (apparently? Am yet to see them play.)
9. OPRF
10. Hobo
I still have not seen Carbondale or Stevenson play as a team though.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Nobody's seen Stevenson as a team yet and in the one tourney that Carbondale was at full-strength they won Ultima, going 1-1 against Ig and 1-0 against us.Jacopo Robusti wrote: I still have not seen Carbondale or Stevenson play as a team though.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Can the polls stay open until after next weekend? I haven't moderated a tournament yet, but I'll be at the Decembrist.
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. Lisle
8. BG
9. Hobo
10. New Trier
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. Lisle
8. BG
9. Hobo
10. New Trier
Re: Early Season Poll
Ok...fair enough.Dresden The Moderator wrote:Can the polls stay open until after next weekend? I haven't moderated a tournament yet, but I'll be at the Decembrist.
Dan Donohue, Saint Viator ('10), Northwestern ('14), NAQT
Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Ignatius
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevonson
7. New Trier(?)
8. Naperville Central
9. OPRF
10. BG
2. Loyola
3. Ignatius
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevonson
7. New Trier(?)
8. Naperville Central
9. OPRF
10. BG
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. BG
7. OPRF
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. BG
7. OPRF
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo
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Re: Early Season Poll
Do you know who I am haha? Whatever...thanks for the vote man!BGWallace13 wrote:10. Hobo
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Re: Early Season Poll
We don't live in a box Dan.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Just wondering...I was a little flattered, actually. It's cool, Brett!BGSO wrote:We don't live in a box Dan.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Jack, I thought I told you not to tell anyone.JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
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Re: Early Season Poll
JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
Agreed.
And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
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Re: Early Season Poll
How do you understand it?BGWallace13 wrote:Garb has yelled at me
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Re: Early Season Poll
MoCity02 wrote:How do you understand it?BGWallace13 wrote:Garb has yelled at me
Practice.
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Re: Early Season Poll
What for?BGWallace13 wrote:JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
Agreed.
And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Doink the Clown wrote:What for?BGWallace13 wrote:JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
Agreed.
And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
He has yelled at me to become a better quiz bowl player and used dan as an example as someone who I should model off of.
Brett Wallace
Buffalo Grove High School '10
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Re: Early Season Poll
Yeah, I'm curious too. An example of sticking it to the man maybe? From what I understand, BG's quizbowl team has a lot of the same problems I did.Doink the Clown wrote:What for?BGWallace13 wrote:JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
Agreed.
And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Aww, shucks.BGWallace13 wrote:Doink the Clown wrote:What for?BGWallace13 wrote:JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.
Agreed.
And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
He has yelled at me to become a better quiz bowl player and used dan as an example as someone who I should model off of.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Don't flatter yourself Dan.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Ok ok my apologies for flattering myself.BGSO wrote:Don't flatter yourself Dan.
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Stevenson?
6. Lisle
7. OPRF
8. New Trier
9. NC? (I've not seen them play)
10. BG? (Also never seen them play.)
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Stevenson?
6. Lisle
7. OPRF
8. New Trier
9. NC? (I've not seen them play)
10. BG? (Also never seen them play.)
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Re: Early Season Poll
Jane Fairfax wrote:what deveau said.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Sorry, sorry...this is only from what I've read here and one tournament's experience, but here we go:Dan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. OPRF
7. Carmel
8. New Trier
9. BG (I've not seen them play)
10. Latin
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Re: Early Season Poll
1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. OPRF
8. BG
9. NC
10. New Trier
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2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. OPRF
8. BG
9. NC
10. New Trier
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Re: Early Season Poll
Ooh... I wouldn't do this. They're good, but not better than New Trier (and Latin is not in the top 10 right now either).Dresden The Moderator wrote:7. CarmelDan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
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Re: Early Season Poll
I beg to differ...I saw Carmel beat New Trier on Saturday.jdeliverer wrote:Ooh... I wouldn't do this. They're good, but not better than New Trier (and Latin is not in the top 10 right now either).Dresden The Moderator wrote:7. CarmelDan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
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Re: Early Season Poll
They beat new trier, but their PPG and PPB were still much lower than New Trier's. The game you saw was probably their best game.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Carmel and Latin aren't stellar yet. But I think it's amazing that they could be the the next Viator in the way that they come out of the North-Metro League and start embracing good quizbowl. I hope we see a nationals appearance from them. Anyways, the results of the poll....jdeliverer wrote:They beat new trier, but their PPG and PPB were still much lower than New Trier's. The game you saw was probably their best game.
1. Auburn - 147
2. Loyola - 132
3. St. Ignatius - 116
4. C-Dale - 115
5. Stevenson - 75
6. Lisle - 69
7. OPRF - 52
8. Naperville Central - 38
9. New Trier - 31
10. BG - 24
11. Hobo 14
12. Barrington - 9
13. Carmel - 4
14. Latin - 1
14. Fremd -1
Thoughts??
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Re: Early Season Poll
This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??
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Re: Early Season Poll
Honestly, I think there's a lot of parity at the top. Auburn seems to be a step ahead of the rest of the field for the time being, but I think that every team in the top four or five will beat every other at least once this season. I also think that these ranking will move around a bit as teams learn things at varying rates. Carbondale in particular already knows a lot and is learning more quickly.MoCity02 wrote:This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??
Specific to the results of the poll, I think that Carbondale and Stevenson sort of got shafted. They haven't been to many events, so a lot of people seem to have forgotten about them. I know I have. But they both beat us at Ultima (Stevenson without Zach). When they start appearing again, they'll probably get more points in these sort of things.
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Re: Early Season Poll
That's impressive Kevin took you down, and yeah nobody's seen stevenson with their full team yet. It'll be interesting to see how much overlap Zach & Kevin have, or if Kevin is now leading them in scoring (possible, considering he was morning champ at solo while zach only made the desperation shot)adeveau wrote:But they both beat us at Ultima (Stevenson without Zach)
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Re: Early Season Poll
Yes. Kevin is good, particularly on lit. I don't think he'll have too much overlap with Zach, who, from what I've seen and heard, isn't really great on lit. In fact, I think Kevin studied over the summer with an eye to filling in Zach's holes. Anyway, we'll see at the Harvard Mirror if they deserve more respect. I think they probably do.
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Re: Early Season Poll
From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.
I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.
I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Kevin basically single-handedly 30'd every single LIT/FA Bonus he had against us and wasn't near to as impressive anywhere else although still pretty goodjdeliverer wrote:From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.
I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.
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Re: Early Season Poll
Barrington is way overrated at #12. We're not better than Fremd, even more so when our seniors won't show up to matches.Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??
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Re: Early Season Poll
The impressions I have from a couple of matches at Solo and one match at Ultima match this.jdeliverer wrote:From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.
I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.
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Re: Early Season Poll
This is pretty trivial, but, as Jonah mentioned, there's been production from other people on my team, especially Brian. Just thought he should get some recognition.MoCity02 wrote:This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.
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Re: Early Season Poll
I'd say this poll is a pretty good ranking of the teams thus far. I think the top 5 or 6 teams will all beat each other up all year, though. I'm looking forward to the Harvard Mirror. It'll let us know how we stack up against other teams when we are at full strength.
Also, Zach and I don't really overlap much. My strengths are the humanities whereas he's good at science and geography. Julia and I overlap a lot more; she's just as good of a FA/lit player as I am.
Also, Zach and I don't really overlap much. My strengths are the humanities whereas he's good at science and geography. Julia and I overlap a lot more; she's just as good of a FA/lit player as I am.
Kevin
SHS '11
SHS '11
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Re: Early Season Poll
I'm really looking forward to NTV too, where Latin will be at (effectively) full strength for the first time, excluding a single match last Saturday. I look forward to seeing some of the better teams there that I haven't had the chance to see yet.
Robert Volgman
Brown '14
Latin School of Chicago '10
Brown '14
Latin School of Chicago '10
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Re: Early Season Poll
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Re: Early Season Poll
I think this might be the first year in my memory that Stevenson is not overrated. Kevin and Zach will combine to be a very beastly duo. But we shall see in two days.JackGlerum wrote:Fine, I'll throw it out there. Stevenson is overrated--Go Loyola.
Dan Donohue, Saint Viator ('10), Northwestern ('14), NAQT