Early Season Poll

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:52 pm

Dan-Don has graciously offered to conduct an early-season poll of Illinois teams. My ballot for the IHSSBCA Coaches' Poll, class AA, was as follows:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. New Trier
10. Stevenson
That is not my ballot for the board poll; I just wanted to post it publicly. I was restricted to IHSA class AA teams, but rated my assessment of them strictly with respect to good quizbowl. I also submitted a partial class A ballot: 1. Lisle, 2. Litchfield, 3. Latin; I don't know if it will be used in the final compilation.

Allowing the inclusion of class A and non-IHSA teams, I submit the following ballot for the board poll:
1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Naperville Central
6. Oak Park-River Forest
7. Barrington
8. Buffalo Grove
9. Hobo
10. Lisle

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:59 pm

It's that time of the year when the members of the IHSSBCA vote for their top-10. So I'm bringing back the Dan-Don poll! Same rules as last time. Anyone may rank his/her top ten teams from either class according to the standards of good quizbowl. The polls close close next Wednesday at 12:01 AM. I'll begin:

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. Naperville Central
8. Barrington
9. Hobo
10. OPRF

EDIT: changed my mind about a few things

Irreligion in Bangladesh · Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:46 pm

1. Loyola
2. Auburn
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Lisle
6. Naperville Central
7. Hobo
8. Stevenson
9. Barrington
10. New Trier

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:23 pm

1. Loyola
2. Carbondale
3. Auburn
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. Oak Park River Forest
7. New Trier
8. Lisle
9. Naperville Central
10. Fremd

Boeing X-20, Please! · Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:01 am

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius (/cough deveau /cough)
5. Stevenson
6. Lisle
7. New Trier
8. Naperville Central (apparently? Am yet to see them play.)
9. OPRF
10. Hobo

BGSO · Post by **BGSO** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:33 am

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. BG
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:57 am

MoCity02 wrote:1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius (/cough deveau /cough)
5. Stevenson
6. Lisle
7. New Trier
8. Naperville Central (apparently? Am yet to see them play.)
9. OPRF
10. Hobo

Exactly this.

I still have not seen Carbondale or Stevenson play as a team though.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:20 am

Jacopo Robusti wrote: I still have not seen Carbondale or Stevenson play as a team though.

Nobody's seen Stevenson as a team yet and in the one tourney that Carbondale was at full-strength they won Ultima, going 1-1 against Ig and 1-0 against us.

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:46 am

Can the polls stay open until after next weekend? I haven't moderated a tournament yet, but I'll be at the Decembrist.

mlaird · Post by **mlaird** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:28 pm

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. OPRF
7. Lisle
8. BG
9. Hobo
10. New Trier

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:54 pm

Dresden The Moderator wrote:Can the polls stay open until after next weekend? I haven't moderated a tournament yet, but I'll be at the Decembrist.

Ok...fair enough.

Bonito · Post by **Bonito** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:20 pm

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Ignatius
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevonson
7. New Trier(?)
8. Naperville Central
9. OPRF
10. BG

BGWallace13 · Post by **BGWallace13** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:51 pm

1. Auburn
2. Loyola
3. Carbondale
4. St. Ignatius
5. Stevenson
6. BG
7. OPRF
8. Lisle
9. NC
10. Hobo

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:39 pm

BGWallace13 wrote:10. Hobo

Do you know who I am haha? Whatever...thanks for the vote man!

BGSO · Post by **BGSO** » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:57 pm

We don't live in a box Dan.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:02 am

BGSO wrote:We don't live in a box Dan.

Just wondering...I was a little flattered, actually. It's cool, Brett!

JackGlerum · Post by **JackGlerum** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:06 am

Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

BGSO · Post by **BGSO** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:07 am

JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Jack, I thought I told you not to tell anyone.

BGWallace13 · Post by **BGWallace13** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:10 pm

JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Agreed.

And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:53 pm

BGWallace13 wrote:Garb has yelled at me

How do you understand it?

BGWallace13 · Post by **BGWallace13** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:18 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
BGWallace13 wrote:Garb has yelled at me
How do you understand it?

Practice.

at your pleasure · Post by **at your pleasure** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:24 pm

BGWallace13 wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Agreed.

And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.

What for?

BGWallace13 · Post by **BGWallace13** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:34 pm

Doink the Clown wrote:
BGWallace13 wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Agreed.

And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
What for?

He has yelled at me to become a better quiz bowl player and used dan as an example as someone who I should model off of.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:42 pm

Doink the Clown wrote:
BGWallace13 wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Agreed.

And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
What for?

Yeah, I'm curious too. An example of sticking it to the man maybe? From what I understand, BG's quizbowl team has a lot of the same problems I did.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 6:43 pm

BGWallace13 wrote:
Doink the Clown wrote:
BGWallace13 wrote:
JackGlerum wrote:Buffalo Grove is in fact a box.

Agreed.

And yes i know who you are Dan. Garb has yelled at me a lot and used you as an example.
What for?

He has yelled at me to become a better quiz bowl player and used dan as an example as someone who I should model off of.

Aww, shucks.

BGSO · Post by **BGSO** » Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:54 pm

Don't flatter yourself Dan.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:14 am

BGSO wrote:Don't flatter yourself Dan.

Ok ok my apologies for flattering myself.

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:54 pm

1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Stevenson?
6. Lisle
7. OPRF
8. New Trier
9. NC? (I've not seen them play)
10. BG? (Also never seen them play.)

Jane Fairfax · Post by **Jane Fairfax** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:10 pm

what deveau said.

Charley Pride · Post by **Charley Pride** » Sun Dec 06, 2009 7:55 pm

Jane Fairfax wrote:what deveau said.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:48 am

Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:02 am

Dan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.

Sorry, sorry...this is only from what I've read here and one tournament's experience, but here we go:

1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. OPRF
7. Carmel
8. New Trier
9. BG (I've not seen them play)
10. Latin

jdeliverer · Post by **jdeliverer** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:06 am

1. Auburn
2. St. Ignatius
3. Loyola
4. Carbondale
5. Lisle
6. Stevenson
7. OPRF
8. BG
9. NC
10. New Trier
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jdeliverer · Post by **jdeliverer** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:08 am

Dresden The Moderator wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
7. Carmel

Ooh... I wouldn't do this. They're good, but not better than New Trier (and Latin is not in the top 10 right now either).

Dresden_The_BIG_JERK · Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:44 am

jdeliverer wrote:
Dresden The Moderator wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Since I kept this up another week for B.J.'s sake, I won't put up the results until he votes.
7. Carmel
Ooh... I wouldn't do this. They're good, but not better than New Trier (and Latin is not in the top 10 right now either).

I beg to differ...I saw Carmel beat New Trier on Saturday.

jdeliverer · Post by **jdeliverer** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:26 pm

They beat new trier, but their PPG and PPB were still much lower than New Trier's. The game you saw was probably their best game.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:22 pm

jdeliverer wrote:They beat new trier, but their PPG and PPB were still much lower than New Trier's. The game you saw was probably their best game.

Carmel and Latin aren't stellar yet. But I think it's amazing that they could be the the next Viator in the way that they come out of the North-Metro League and start embracing good quizbowl. I hope we see a nationals appearance from them. Anyways, the results of the poll....

1. Auburn - 147
2. Loyola - 132
3. St. Ignatius - 116
4. C-Dale - 115
5. Stevenson - 75
6. Lisle - 69
7. OPRF - 52
8. Naperville Central - 38
9. New Trier - 31
10. BG - 24
11. Hobo 14
12. Barrington - 9
13. Carmel - 4
14. Latin - 1
14. Fremd -1

Thoughts??

Boeing X-20, Please! · Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:26 pm

Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??

This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:37 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??
This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.

Honestly, I think there's a lot of parity at the top. Auburn seems to be a step ahead of the rest of the field for the time being, but I think that every team in the top four or five will beat every other at least once this season. I also think that these ranking will move around a bit as teams learn things at varying rates. Carbondale in particular already knows a lot and is learning more quickly.

Specific to the results of the poll, I think that Carbondale and Stevenson sort of got shafted. They haven't been to many events, so a lot of people seem to have forgotten about them. I know I have. But they both beat us at Ultima (Stevenson without Zach). When they start appearing again, they'll probably get more points in these sort of things.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:43 pm

adeveau wrote:But they both beat us at Ultima (Stevenson without Zach)

That's impressive Kevin took you down, and yeah nobody's seen stevenson with their full team yet. It'll be interesting to see how much overlap Zach & Kevin have, or if Kevin is now leading them in scoring (possible, considering he was morning champ at solo while zach only made the desperation shot)

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:52 pm

Yes. Kevin is good, particularly on lit. I don't think he'll have too much overlap with Zach, who, from what I've seen and heard, isn't really great on lit. In fact, I think Kevin studied over the summer with an eye to filling in Zach's holes. Anyway, we'll see at the Harvard Mirror if they deserve more respect. I think they probably do.

jdeliverer · Post by **jdeliverer** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:56 pm

From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.

I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:00 am

jdeliverer wrote:From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.

I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.

Kevin basically single-handedly 30'd every single LIT/FA Bonus he had against us and wasn't near to as impressive anywhere else although still pretty good

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:06 am

Dan-Don wrote: Thoughts??

Barrington is way overrated at #12. We're not better than Fremd, even more so when our seniors won't show up to matches.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:06 am

jdeliverer wrote:From when I played Kevin at solos (he won 10-6), I was very impressed with his breadth of knowledge (with a bit of depth) across subjects, but it seemed like he didn't have a subject area with a ton of depth. The afternoon round at solo seems pretty consistent with that.

I'm sure it'll develop over time, but right now I think he's going to pick up almost anything that gets to the last few clues, which results in a lot of huge wins over bad teams and is not as helpful against other top teams. But again, I haven't seen Zach play so it's hard to comment on them as a team.

The impressions I have from a couple of matches at Solo and one match at Ultima match this.

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:14 am

MoCity02 wrote:This was before Deveau beat us for like the 3rd time, although we usually have better ppg/ppb than him, so 2nd & 3rd probably would've changed.

This is pretty trivial, but, as Jonah mentioned, there's been production from other people on my team, especially Brian. Just thought he should get some recognition.

drose4prez · Post by **drose4prez** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:31 am

I'd say this poll is a pretty good ranking of the teams thus far. I think the top 5 or 6 teams will all beat each other up all year, though. I'm looking forward to the Harvard Mirror. It'll let us know how we stack up against other teams when we are at full strength.

Also, Zach and I don't really overlap much. My strengths are the humanities whereas he's good at science and geography. Julia and I overlap a lot more; she's just as good of a FA/lit player as I am.

jdeliverer · Post by **jdeliverer** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:39 am

I'm really looking forward to NTV too, where Latin will be at (effectively) full strength for the first time, excluding a single match last Saturday. I look forward to seeing some of the better teams there that I haven't had the chance to see yet.

JackGlerum · Post by **JackGlerum** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:33 am

edit: I'm dumb

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:38 am

JackGlerum wrote:Fine, I'll throw it out there. Stevenson is overrated--Go Loyola.

I think this might be the first year in my memory that Stevenson is not overrated. Kevin and Zach will combine to be a very beastly duo. But we shall see in two days.