Turnabout

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:17 pm

Good luck to everyone at the several Turnabout sites this weekend. (It's on IS-87A, in case anyone who hasn't heard yet is curious.)

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:18 pm

What happened to teams writing the set?

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 1:30 pm

We didn't get as many high-quality sets as we hoped for, and two of the four editors had the nerve to become parents when they were supposed to be editing.

MLaudermith · Post by **MLaudermith** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:11 pm

Teams playing at the Fenton Turnabout:
1. Fenton
2. Wheaton North
3. Fenwick A
4. Fenwick B
5. Oswego East
6. Kewanee
7. West Chicago
8. Kaneland
9. Glenbard East A
10. Glenbard East B
11. St. Ignatius
12. Bradley-Bourbonnais A
13. Bradley-Bourbonnais B
14. Marian Central
15. Plano
16. Lake Zurich A
17. Lake Zurich B
18. Timothy Christian A
19. Timothy Christian B
20. McHenry
21. Belvidere North
22. Andrew
23. Notre Dame
24. Chicago Christian
25. St. Patrick
26. Lakes
27. Glenbard North
28. St. Charles East A
29. St. Charles East B
30. Wheaton North B?

JackGlerum · Post by **JackGlerum** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:24 pm

MLaudermith wrote:Teams playing at the Fenton Turnabout:
11. St. Ignatius

I assume he's not playing, but if he is, there will be a lot of pissed off people.

The Moviegoer · Post by **The Moviegoer** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:38 pm

MLaudermith wrote:Teams playing at the Fenton Turnabout:
26. Lakes

Woooo. I'm really hoping some of the freshmen get to play, they're pretty good and should be exposed to some good QB. (The JV NSC conference questions are Avery or QG or something)

Edit: Actually, do you need any moderators Mr. Laudermith?

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:02 pm

JackGlerum wrote:
MLaudermith wrote:Teams playing at the Fenton Turnabout:
11. St. Ignatius
I assume he's not playing, but if he is, there will be a lot of pissed off people.

He's moderating.

JackGlerum · Post by **JackGlerum** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:19 pm

Cool stuff.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:48 pm

In case Mr. Laudermith doesn't get my email, I'll be moderating in exchange for my mandatory Christian service hours. Catholic school, ftw!

Geringer · Post by **Geringer** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:56 am

Out of curiosity, could I have the rights back to Dan and my two packets? I might be making a bid to write Fremd next year and I'd love to use that stuff.

Thanks.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:44 am

Email Matt and Reinstein, but I would imagine so. They, Brad, Kristin, and I are the only people who have seen them besides whoever you showed them to.

P.S.: Don't write Fremd.

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:10 am

You can have them back and ignore Jonah's advice.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:41 am

Macho Man for Expediency wrote:Out of curiosity, could I have the rights back to Dan and my two packets? I might be making a bid to write Fremd next year and I'd love to use that stuff.

Thanks.

You'd love to use those as samples and not rounds, right? Because those packets have been previewed to a lot of people, including all current members of Viator's team. (A team, as I know, loves the Fremd Varsity tourney.) And, yeah, the two of us had talked about writing Fremd or the North-Metro League next year, but I'm having misgivings about that now. I don't know.

To Jonah and Laird: What was the situation, packet-wise? We submitted two packets...and who else did?

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:59 am

Dan-Don wrote:To Jonah and Laird: What was the situation, packet-wise? We submitted two packets...and who else did?

I can give a better answer privately, but basically the packets from you and Jeff were the only ones of high enough quality for us to use without near-complete rewriting, and with half the editing crew busy with silly things like propagating the human species, we really didn't want to put together our second tournament in three weeks. Also, with an IS-A set, we got a better distribution and bonus format.

MLaudermith · Post by **MLaudermith** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:39 pm

cmessner wrote:Edit: Actually, do you need any moderators Mr. Laudermith?

Absolutely. Send me an email ([email protected]) and I'll give you the details.

Stained Diviner · Post by **Stained Diviner** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:10 pm

Because of weather, the Armstrong and Greenville Turnabouts have been postponed to next week. Fenton will still hold their tournament tomorrow as scheduled. Anybody with any concerns can email me.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:58 pm

1. Lake Zurich
2. Fenwick
3. Glenbard North
4. Bradley-Bourbonnais

Geringer · Post by **Geringer** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:54 pm

I was quietly impressed with what I saw today. There is a much larger mid-level of teams than I though there were, and there are many more teams that could make that leap into the major circuit in upcoming years. Lake Zurich, Bradley-Bourbannais, Fenwick, Oswego, and the Glenbards all have the capability to break into the next level. A lot of you are going to laugh at that statement, but I really believe that a ton of teams aren't far off and could make that jump with a little encouragement.

MLaudermith · Post by **MLaudermith** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:48 pm

Overall, I thought our Turnabout went off pretty well. Several coaches told me that the questions were the best their team has heard this season, though a few still grumbled about the format.

Complete stats will be forthcoming, though I have to say that I don't care to repeat the experience of running a 30-team tournament with bonus bouncebacks on SQBS. This turned out to be the only real hitch of the day as we could not get playoff rounds started until 2:00.

The saving grace was having some great moderators in 10 out of the 15 game rooms. I especially want to thank Dan-Don, Jeff Geringer, Greg Gauthier, Craig Messner, Mike Perovanovic, Sam Krc, Andrew Deveau, & Parth Joshi. You guys did an outstanding job and I hope you'll come back next year.

I'll throw out a few stats for the time being. Mark Taylor of St. Charles East was the morning's high scorer with 81 PPG.
8 teams made the playoffs: the 5 morning pool winners + 3 wildcards based on P/B. The 8 were seeded into 2 playoff brackets by P/B and then played a round robin.
The 8 playoff teams in order were:
1. Fenwick A (22.18)
2. Lake Zurich A (20.70)
3. Glenbard North (18.91)
4. Bradley-Bourbonnais A (18.33)
5. Wheaton North A (17.71)
6. Timothy Christian A (17.14)
7. Fenton (17.12)
8. St. Ignatius (16.86)

As Mr. Donohue has mentioned, Glenbard North defeated Bradley-Bourbonnais to clinch 3rd place and Lake Zurich beat Fenwick in a very close championship game that was decided on the final tossup.

Macho Man for Expediency wrote:but I really believe that a ton of teams aren't far off and could make that jump with a little encouragement.

I am in complete agreement with Jeff. I made a point of asking all the playoff coaches what other tournaments they planned on attending this year and sadly, most said just Fremd and/or Masonic. I am thinking that maybe IL needs another open tournament on an A-set, since all the coaches today seemed to respond very postively to the questions.

Geringer · Post by **Geringer** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:20 pm

MLaudermith wrote:I am thinking that maybe IL needs another open tournament on an A-set, since all the coaches today seemed to respond very postively to the questions.

If anything like this is attempted, I feel that the field should be limited to a similar field strength. These games worked well because teams felt like they could compete in any game. If we were to throw the best teams into this mix, it could very well deter more teams from picking up this format.

Anticipation: Someone is going to say something like "If they don't want to get beat they shouldn't play quizbowl" or "If they get beat they should feel the need to study more." Yeah, it's great for us to sit on the boards and talk about how easy it is to make this jump, but anyone who would make such a judgment really doesn't have an accurate grasp of the situation. I really feel like a "minor league" of sorts would do wonders. If some of the mid-level teams had a sandbox beyond NTV, Kickoff, and Turnabout to get better at this format, I think it would work well in the long run. I don't think Fenwick or Lake Zurich, for example, will be the best team in the state next year, but if there was a way to continue to attract these teams to this format, it will continually increase the number of quality teams in our wonderful state.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:27 am

Fenton prelim stats playoff stats

Boeing X-20, Please! · Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:58 am

So, Ig's pretty good on A-Sets, huh?

http://www.ihssbca.org/statistics/2010T ... dings.html

http://www.aegisquestions.com/DGT3/DGT3 ... duals.html

Boeing X-20, Please! · Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:56 am

Jarrod Deveau St. Ignatius 4.0 1 8 80 1.19 inf 95 23.75

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER ONE!? Plz dont be new Gauthiers.

Edward Elric · Post by **Edward Elric** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:57 pm

MoCity02 wrote:Jarrod Deveau St. Ignatius 4.0 1 8 80 1.19 inf 95 23.75

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER ONE!? Plz dont be new Gauthiers.

THEY LOOK FREAKIN IDENTICAL!!!!

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:19 pm

This confirms my suspicion that they are superior beings from another planet.

Geringer · Post by **Geringer** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:08 pm

MoCity02 wrote:Jarrod Deveau St. Ignatius 4.0 1 8 80 1.19 inf 95 23.75

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER ONE!? Plz dont be new Gauthiers.

I moderated for Jared (His nametag was spelled like this) and he totally power trash questions like no ones business.

Boeing X-20, Please! · Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:22 pm

Macho Man for Expediency wrote:
MoCity02 wrote:Jarrod Deveau St. Ignatius 4.0 1 8 80 1.19 inf 95 23.75

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ANOTHER ONE!? Plz dont be new Gauthiers.
I moderated for Jared (His nametag was spelled like this) and he totally power trash questions like no ones business.

As does Deveau. Er, regular deveau

David Riley · Post by **David Riley** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:47 pm

MoCity02 wrote:regular deveau

Does this mean Jared is Deveau Light?

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:28 am

I'm just concerned with how committed he is to good quiz bowl, and whether Andrew's going to take him under his wing.

Edward Elric · Post by **Edward Elric** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:58 pm

Jacopo Robusti wrote:whether Andrew's going to take him under his wing.

Well why wouldn't he? He is his brother.

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:19 pm

You'd best be concerned. He's going to be made into Deveau 2.0. Like Todd Marinovich, but without the cocaine or failure.

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:10 pm

Awesome! A Todd Marinovich reference in the HS forum... Do I smell a TU on this topic coming soon to a tournament near you?

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:28 pm

adeveau wrote:You'd best be concerned. He's going to be made into Deveau 2.0. Like Todd Marinovich, but without the cocaine or failure.

Well this isn't good. When are you guys gonna bring him to a varsity tournament?

Boeing X-20, Please! · Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:38 pm

Jacopo Robusti wrote:
adeveau wrote:You'd best be concerned. He's going to be made into Deveau 2.0. Like Todd Marinovich, but without the cocaine or failure.
Well this isn't good. When are you guys gonna bring him to a varsity tournament?

Bring a sophomore to a non-freshman/sophomore tournament? I believe this is looked upon as blasphemy there.

abnormal abdomen · Post by **abnormal abdomen** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:45 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
Jacopo Robusti wrote:
adeveau wrote:You'd best be concerned. He's going to be made into Deveau 2.0. Like Todd Marinovich, but without the cocaine or failure.
Well this isn't good. When are you guys gonna bring him to a varsity tournament?
Bring a sophomore to a non-freshman/sophomore tournament? I believe this is looked upon as blasphemy there.

I wasn't aware. I'm curious, now, though. Ignatius isn't sending a team to D&G, is it? (not that I'll be there anyway, it's just that he'd be playing against some relatively talented teams, I think)

adeveau · Post by **adeveau** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:50 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
Jacopo Robusti wrote:
Well this isn't good. When are you guys gonna bring him to a varsity tournament?
Bring a sophomore to a non-freshman/sophomore tournament? I believe this is looked upon as blasphemy there.

He's a freshman, actually. And I don't think it's blasphemy exactly. But, I'll be real, I don't think he'd get a lot of TUs on Auburn. (That's coming next year, Abid.)

And I don't think they're going to D&G. Even if they were, Jared couldn't go, since that's on IS-87A, too, right?

Boeing X-20, Please! · Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:51 pm

adeveau wrote: He's a freshman, actually

Change his facebook.

Edward Elric · Post by **Edward Elric** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:51 pm

MoCity02 wrote:
adeveau wrote: He's a freshman, actually
Change his facebook.

Someone's facebook stalking.

CometCoach72 · Post by **CometCoach72** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:02 pm

Field for Saturday's Rescheduled Turnabout at Greenville:

Greenville (A & B), Springfield Southeast (A & B), Breese Central (A & B), Mt. Carmel, Carterville, Riverton, Athens, Carlinville, WIlliamsville, O'Fallon, Gillespie.

Updates forthcoming!

the return of AHAN · Post by **the return of AHAN** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:29 pm

CometCoach72 wrote:Field for Saturday's Rescheduled Turnabout at Greenville:

Greenville (A & B), Springfield Southeast (A & B), Breese Central (A & B), Mt. Carmel, Carterville, Riverton, Athens, Carlinville, WIlliamsville, O'Fallon, Gillespie.

Updates forthcoming!

No Mater Dei? Weird. They used to be very active.

CometCoach72 · Post by **CometCoach72** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:48 pm

Woody Paige wrote:No Mater Dei? Weird. They used to be very active.

Still active. We played them in a fall league in November and December, and we traded victories over two matches (they won in the "regular season," we returned the favor in the tournament). Sister John is retired from coaching, but is still active in moderating. She has helped us out with tournaments a number of times over the last two years (and will be here for the Greenville Turnabout Saturday). The new coach is a buddy of mine from student teaching days at SIUE, and is a class act. Last spring they thumped us during a community college tournament down here, but it's pretty clear this year's team is not as strong as last year's. They might still be on the black list, but I didn't stop to check before posting (SNICKER). I expect that if they do have a rough season, that trend won't continue. Scott won't let that happen.

CometCoach72 · Post by **CometCoach72** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 10:44 pm

Greenville Site Results (11 schools, 13 teams):

1- Carterville
2- Greenville
3- Williamsville
4- Springfield Southeast
Consolation - O'Fallon over Mt. Carmel
Other playoff teams: Carlinville, Gillespie

GREAT matches, lots of decent scores; my students won two matches on the last part of the last bonus, causing me to lose more hair and the remaining hair turned another shade to the gray. A pretty fair number of powers, and above all, lots of FUN was had by the students. That to me, was the most important part.