Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Congratulations to State College Area High School, the first place team in our pre-nationals poll. State College received all 23 of our first place ballots. Maggie Walker finished 2nd, receiving 22 second place votes, with Dorman finishing 3rd with the other second place vote. Southside and St. Anselm's round out the top 5. In all, 48 teams received at least one vote.
Thanks to our 23 voters: Graham Moyer, Zhao Wang, Christopher Greenwood, George Berry, Edward Powers, Jasper Lee, Matt Jackson, Nitin Srinivasan, Stephen Liu, Andrew Chrzanowski, Watson Ladd, Isaac Hirsch, William Horton, Amit Bilgi, Jarret Greene, Chris Chiego, Matt Bollinger, Nick Neuteufel, Scott Blain, J.R. Barry, Tanay Kothari, Trey Taralia and Phil Blessman.
1. State College, 575 points, 23 first place votes
2. Maggie Walker, 551 points
3. Dorman, 484
4. Southside, 477
5. St. Anselm's, 471
6. LASA, 463
7. Georgetown Day, 461
8. Detroit Country Day, 425
9. Hunter, 406
10. Dunbar, 344
11. Charter School of Wilmington, 307
12. Thomas Jefferson, 272
13. Hoover, 264
14. Torrey Pines, 250
15. Eden Prairie, 238
16. Mission San Jose, 196
17. Raleigh Charter, 188
18. DuPont Manual, 172
19. Detroit Catholic Central, 112
20. Auburn, 109
21. Solon, 99
22. Kellenberg, 90
23. Alpharetta, 84
24. Centennial (Georgia), 63
25. Bellarmine, 48
Also receiving votes (points listed): Hume Fogg, 46; Bergen County, 35; Adlai Stevenson, 33; Caesar Rodney, 31; St. Joseph, 29; La Jolla, 23; Chattahoochee, 22; Northmont, 18; Walter Johnson, 17; St. Thomas, 9; Walt Whitman, 9; Brookwood, 8; Richard Montgomery, 8; Seven Lakes, 8; Parkersburg, 7; Ezell-Harding, 5; Southside B, 5; Dorman B, 4; Horace Greeley, 4; Ransom Everglades, 2; Parkview, 1; Montgomery Blair, 1; Novi, 1
Thanks to our 23 voters: Graham Moyer, Zhao Wang, Christopher Greenwood, George Berry, Edward Powers, Jasper Lee, Matt Jackson, Nitin Srinivasan, Stephen Liu, Andrew Chrzanowski, Watson Ladd, Isaac Hirsch, William Horton, Amit Bilgi, Jarret Greene, Chris Chiego, Matt Bollinger, Nick Neuteufel, Scott Blain, J.R. Barry, Tanay Kothari, Trey Taralia and Phil Blessman.
1. State College, 575 points, 23 first place votes
2. Maggie Walker, 551 points
3. Dorman, 484
4. Southside, 477
5. St. Anselm's, 471
6. LASA, 463
7. Georgetown Day, 461
8. Detroit Country Day, 425
9. Hunter, 406
10. Dunbar, 344
11. Charter School of Wilmington, 307
12. Thomas Jefferson, 272
13. Hoover, 264
14. Torrey Pines, 250
15. Eden Prairie, 238
16. Mission San Jose, 196
17. Raleigh Charter, 188
18. DuPont Manual, 172
19. Detroit Catholic Central, 112
20. Auburn, 109
21. Solon, 99
22. Kellenberg, 90
23. Alpharetta, 84
24. Centennial (Georgia), 63
25. Bellarmine, 48
Also receiving votes (points listed): Hume Fogg, 46; Bergen County, 35; Adlai Stevenson, 33; Caesar Rodney, 31; St. Joseph, 29; La Jolla, 23; Chattahoochee, 22; Northmont, 18; Walter Johnson, 17; St. Thomas, 9; Walt Whitman, 9; Brookwood, 8; Richard Montgomery, 8; Seven Lakes, 8; Parkersburg, 7; Ezell-Harding, 5; Southside B, 5; Dorman B, 4; Horace Greeley, 4; Ransom Everglades, 2; Parkview, 1; Montgomery Blair, 1; Novi, 1
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Tadaaaaaaaaa
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I will be posting individual ballots sometime. For now, enjoy this Excel sheet which displays the number of points assigned by each voter.
Edit 5/26: I've attached the updated results to this post.
Edit 5/26 the second: I made a typo with Matt Jackson's ballot, which has since been corrected. This did not change the order of finish; it only altered a couple of teams' final point total.
Edit 5/26: I've attached the updated results to this post.
Edit 5/26 the second: I made a typo with Matt Jackson's ballot, which has since been corrected. This did not change the order of finish; it only altered a couple of teams' final point total.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Ha, only 7 people put us on their ballots... two of them as 15th and 17th! And 16 people decided to ignore CR altogether. It's actually pretty miraculous that we ended up like 29th at all. Crazy.
Mr. Andrew Chrzanowski
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
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Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Welp, looks like it's time for Pensacola to make a dark horse run.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Wow, we didn't change in position from the last poll. Interesting.
Edit: There's a pretty wide range of rankings of us, from 12th! to 24th. And we were left off of five polls. That's fine, we haven't been too spectacular in anything other than consistently placing high at events in Ohio and we're not that well known.
Edit: There's a pretty wide range of rankings of us, from 12th! to 24th. And we were left off of five polls. That's fine, we haven't been too spectacular in anything other than consistently placing high at events in Ohio and we're not that well known.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Man there is some really bizarre voting here... Horace Greeley at 21st, Centennial at 8th, Mission San Jose and Raleigh Charter and DuPont Manual and Wilmington Charter left off the entire list, all of this by just one voter! It's very fun to read through these individual things...
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Also, congrats to State College for being number one on literally everyone's poll!
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I'd like to shake hands with this Christopher character. One of the only two people to vote for us. (Thanks, Isaac, btw)
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Arcadia ES '04
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I left MSJ off the list entirely, but the others don't apply to me. MSJ isn't bringing their actual A team to this tournament. Their B team is going as MSJ A.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man there is some really bizarre voting here... Horace Greeley at 21st, Centennial at 8th, Mission San Jose and Raleigh Charter and DuPont Manual and Wilmington Charter left off the entire list, all of this by just one voter! It's very fun to read through these individual things...
Tanay
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I believe it isn't even their normal B team.NoWayItsTanay wrote:I left MSJ off the list entirely, but the others don't apply to me. MSJ isn't bringing their actual A team to this tournament. Their B team is going as MSJ A.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man there is some really bizarre voting here... Horace Greeley at 21st, Centennial at 8th, Mission San Jose and Raleigh Charter and DuPont Manual and Wilmington Charter left off the entire list, all of this by just one voter! It's very fun to read through these individual things...
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Cool stuff. Obviously this is a poll that generally means nothing(Last year, Ottawa Hills got less votes after they beat teams like Rancho Bernardo, Dunbar, Eden Prarie, Dorman B and Torrey Pines at HSNCT, in addition to winning the small school title, than they did before nationals), but it's good for discussion.
Congrats to State College! As well as to all the other schools who got votes. Must be pretty cool.
Congrats to State College! As well as to all the other schools who got votes. Must be pretty cool.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Nationals experience? Nope.
Normal B team? Nope.
Talented underclassmen? Very.
Normal B team? Nope.
Talented underclassmen? Very.
Jeffrey Li
Mission San Jose High '11
Berkeley '15
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Agreed. You guys are still very, very good, and a threat at nationals this year and even more so the next.laserphaser wrote:Nationals experience? Nope.
Normal B team? Nope.
Talented underclassmen? Very.
Tanay
ex-Berkeley, ex-Bellarmine
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
It probably seems like it won't affect the standings much, but you used my mistake ballot (accidentally leaving TJ off by copy and paste error) instead of my revised one
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Maybe I was confused, but I thought this was just a general poll, not a ranking for HSNCT.NoWayItsTanay wrote:I left MSJ off the list entirely, but the others don't apply to me. MSJ isn't bringing their actual A team to this tournament. Their B team is going as MSJ A.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man there is some really bizarre voting here... Horace Greeley at 21st, Centennial at 8th, Mission San Jose and Raleigh Charter and DuPont Manual and Wilmington Charter left off the entire list, all of this by just one voter! It's very fun to read through these individual things...
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Yeah, it's not, as has been stated many times, this was supposed to rank all the teams at their very best, i.e. the absolute best 4 players from a school playing their absolute best at any given time, regardless of attendance at either Nationals.AlphaQuizBowler wrote:Maybe I was confused, but I thought this was just a general poll, not a ranking for HSNCT.NoWayItsTanay wrote:I left MSJ off the list entirely, but the others don't apply to me. MSJ isn't bringing their actual A team to this tournament. Their B team is going as MSJ A.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Man there is some really bizarre voting here... Horace Greeley at 21st, Centennial at 8th, Mission San Jose and Raleigh Charter and DuPont Manual and Wilmington Charter left off the entire list, all of this by just one voter! It's very fun to read through these individual things...
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Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Well I guess one could ask you why you "ignored" Alpharetta in your ballot but put Centennial at #20. Don't worry, I gave CR a fair look.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Ha, only 7 people put us on their ballots... two of them as 15th and 17th! And 16 people decided to ignore CR altogether. It's actually pretty miraculous that we ended up like 29th at all. Crazy.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Hm... I suppose this is the price we pay for not showing up to stuff in the last two months
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Because i think Centennial is better? They seem to have had the knack for winning big matches. That, and i like "teams" over "one man teams" in most cases.AlphaQuizBowler wrote:Well I guess one could ask you why you "ignored" Alpharetta in your ballot but put Centennial at #20. Don't worry, I gave CR a fair look.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Ha, only 7 people put us on their ballots... two of them as 15th and 17th! And 16 people decided to ignore CR altogether. It's actually pretty miraculous that we ended up like 29th at all. Crazy.
I wasn't remarking "hey, we're CR and we're awesome, and you're stupid if you didn't rank us," my point what that a few people ranked us in the top 20, but 16 people didn't rank us at all. It's just a bizarre statistic.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Aw man, I thought I caught that. Okay, I'll have to adjust this.SoLegit12 wrote:It probably seems like it won't affect the standings much, but you used my mistake ballot (accidentally leaving TJ off by copy and paste error) instead of my revised one
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Okay, I fixed this. The only thing it really did to the results was move TJ up to 12th, bumping Hoover down one spot to 13th. Every other team was in the same spot.The Granny wrote:Aw man, I thought I caught that. Okay, I'll have to adjust this.SoLegit12 wrote:It probably seems like it won't affect the standings much, but you used my mistake ballot (accidentally leaving TJ off by copy and paste error) instead of my revised one
Sorry for doing that to you, Scott and poll people.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
The sums on the spreadsheet and your original post are one-off each other, Fred, from Manual down to Alpharetta. Not a big deal, though.
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Solon High School '10
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Because of the adjustment of Nick's ballot, as he mentioned. He accidentally left TJ off; he later emailed me (before the deadline!) that TJ should be 13th, and everyone else bumped down one, causing those teams to lose a point. That's the cause for the discrepancy. I will upload the new, corrected sheet later.Kanye West wrote:The sums on the spreadsheet and your original post are one-off each other, Fred, from Manual down to Alpharetta. Not a big deal, though.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Okay, now is later, I guess. I've attached the updated sheet to that post up thread.
http://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 22#p187222
http://hsquizbowl.org/forums/viewtopic. ... 22#p187222
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I've made a head-to-head/Condercet chart, which is attached below. I only ranked those teams on half or more of the ballots, which coincidentally was precisely the top 23 teams (nice coincidence with the 23 ballots). The numbers represent how many voters ranked the team at left better than the team above (for instance 10 teams ranked Southside above St. Anselm's). There are some amusing non-transitive results (Anselm beats Southside 13-10, Southside beats LASA 13-10, LASA beats Anselm 13-10).
Fine print: When neither team appeared on a particular ballot, neither team got credit. As a result, a few head-to-head matchups have no result, as a team only got a head-to-head win if they were ranked better on a majority of the ballots. Also, while making the chart, I discovered that Matt Jackson's ballot has 5's assigned for both DCC and Solon, with no one getting a 1. Which is supposed to be the 5 and which the 1?
Fine print: When neither team appeared on a particular ballot, neither team got credit. As a result, a few head-to-head matchups have no result, as a team only got a head-to-head win if they were ranked better on a majority of the ballots. Also, while making the chart, I discovered that Matt Jackson's ballot has 5's assigned for both DCC and Solon, with no one getting a 1. Which is supposed to be the 5 and which the 1?
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
To increase your effective data, I'd suggest handling any team that appears on some ballots but not others by adding a "phantom rank" equivalent to 26th for a team on all ballots on which it doesn't appear. This is justified by the fact that the ballot reflects the voter's preferences being that to first order: all non-ranked teams are thus ranked worse than all ranked teams, which is exact, and of equal rank, which is an approximation we can make without loss of generality (c.f. below.) In the case of two teams neither of which appear on a given ballot, you obviously ignore that ballot or, equivalently, use a modified Condorcet method that allows for ties by discarding them.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I listed DCC at 21 and Solon at 25, giving DCC 5 points and Solon 1. The error is not of my making.jonpin wrote: Fine print: When neither team appeared on a particular ballot, neither team got credit. As a result, a few head-to-head matchups have no result, as a team only got a head-to-head win if they were ranked better on a majority of the ballots. Also, while making the chart, I discovered that Matt Jackson's ballot has 5's assigned for both DCC and Solon, with no one getting a 1. Which is supposed to be the 5 and which the 1?
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Indeed that it what I did for the teams that are listed; any ranked team is preferred over an unranked team. I cut it off after this block, because teams that are on fewer than half of the ballots are guaranteed not to beat anyone on more than half of the ballots. To explain the other part of the fine print by example, Auburn was preferred to Solon on 11 ballots, the opposite was true on 10 ballots, with 2 ballots ranking neither. It's not certain which of the two teams is preferred by a majority of the voters, so neither team is given a W or an L.Captain Sinico wrote:To increase your effective data, I'd suggest handling any team that appears on some ballots but not others by adding a "phantom rank" equivalent to 26th for a team on all ballots on which it doesn't appear. This is justified by the fact that the ballot reflects the voter's preferences being that to first order: all non-ranked teams are thus ranked worse than all ranked teams, which is exact, and of equal rank, which is an approximation we can make without loss of generality (c.f. below.) In the case of two teams neither of which appear on a given ballot, you obviously ignore that ballot or, equivalently, use a modified Condorcet method that allows for ties by discarding them.
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
The thing about polls is that they're completely opinion-based and not at all evidence of anything...Arguing about them is pointless and silly. It's okay to be offended or annoyed if you feel slighted, but show that anger in a match. Quibbling about it here will just make you look dumb if you're really not as good as you thought.
Can't wait for nationals, though...
Can't wait for nationals, though...
Zahed Haseeb
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University of Chicago 2014
Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I made a typo with Matt Jackson's ballot, which has since been corrected. This did not change anything but a couple of teams' points, which were very minor differences.
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Watson Ladd. 12th? You're our hero and all, but really? 12th?!? That's just redonkulous.
Ashu Udipi
Solon High School '10
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
While congratulations should be extended to any and all schools who receive rankings and kudos, perhaps the imperfection of polls should also be recalled. How can anyone forget these howlers: "Dewey beats Truman" or better, "Gore take Florida;beats Bush". However, taking "the long view" -- which is to say the strategic view -- may I simply cite Proverbs 16:19 "Melius est humiliari cum mitibus quam dividere spolia cum superbis." 'Nuf said!
Gregory Schweers
County of Dallas
City of Irving
Cistercian Preparatory School Team
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County of Dallas
City of Irving
Cistercian Preparatory School Team
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
This is a gimmick account, right?Remember-the-Alamo-Remember-Goliad wrote:While congratulations should be extended to any and all schools who receive rankings and kudos, perhaps the imperfection of polls should also be recalled. How can anyone forget these howlers: "Dewey beats Truman" or better, "Gore take Florida;beats Bush". However, taking "the long view" -- which is to say the strategic view -- may I simply cite Proverbs 16:19 "Melius est humiliari cum mitibus quam dividere spolia cum superbis." 'Nuf said!
Dallin Kelson
Chipola '11, UF '13
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
No, it's the coach from this school: http://www.naqt.com/stats/school.jsp?org_id=1137
Mr. Andrew Chrzanowski
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
By the way, will the results be posted on the front page?
Harry White
TJHSST '09, Virginia Tech '13
Owner of Tournament Database Search and Quizbowl Schedule Generator
Will run stats for food
TJHSST '09, Virginia Tech '13
Owner of Tournament Database Search and Quizbowl Schedule Generator
Will run stats for food
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I don't know about you, but I like winning.Remember-the-Alamo-Remember-Goliad wrote:While congratulations should be extended to any and all schools who receive rankings and kudos, perhaps the imperfection of polls should also be recalled. How can anyone forget these howlers: "Dewey beats Truman" or better, "Gore take Florida;beats Bush". However, taking "the long view" -- which is to say the strategic view -- may I simply cite Proverbs 16:19 "Melius est humiliari cum mitibus quam dividere spolia cum superbis." 'Nuf said!
Matt Bollinger
UVA '14, UVA '15
UVA '14, UVA '15
Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I'll see you tomorrow, Father Gregory. Delighted that you'll be joining us at HSNCT, and not visiting NAC.
Stephen Fontenot
Texas Quiz Bowl Alliance Deputy Director
Communications, UT Dallas
Strake Jesuit '96 -+-+- Southwestern '00
Texas Quiz Bowl Alliance Deputy Director
Communications, UT Dallas
Strake Jesuit '96 -+-+- Southwestern '00
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I appreciate the love for Parkview. Or lack thereof.
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Parkview High School
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Prove us wrong?Joseph Heller wrote:I appreciate the love for Parkview. Or lack thereof.
There are a lot of teams out there, and a lot of good ones, and only 25 spots to vote on. I'm fine with South Range not getting any votes, we probably didn't deserve any.
Jarret Greene
South Range '10 / Ohio State '13 / Vermont '17
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
I was jk. Three-fourths of the A team graduated. I'm surprised we got any votes.Inkana7 wrote:Prove us wrong?Joseph Heller wrote:I appreciate the love for Parkview. Or lack thereof.
There are a lot of teams out there, and a lot of good ones, and only 25 spots to vote on. I'm fine with South Range not getting any votes, we probably didn't deserve any.
Jake Kimmerly
Parkview High School
Parkview High School
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Are we going to have a post-nationals poll?
Mr. Andrew Chrzanowski
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
CHRZ demands polls all the time, every day, all day.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Are we going to have a post-nationals poll?
Fred Morlan
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
University of Kentucky CoP, 2017
International Quiz Bowl Tournaments, CEO, co-owner
former PACE member, president, etc.
former hsqbrank manager, former NAQT writer & subject editor, former hsqb Administrator/Chief Administrator
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Additionally, I demand a poll to determine the best poll of the year. Make it so.The Granny wrote:CHRZ demands polls all the time, every day, all day.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Are we going to have a post-nationals poll?
Mr. Andrew Chrzanowski
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
Caesar Rodney High School
Camden, Delaware
CRHS '97-'01
University of Delaware '01-'05
CRHS quizbowl coach '06-'12
http://crquizbowl.edublogs.org
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Can we vote that poll best poll of the year?Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Additionally, I demand a poll to determine the best poll of the year. Make it so.The Granny wrote:CHRZ demands polls all the time, every day, all day.Carangoides ciliarius wrote:Are we going to have a post-nationals poll?
Harry White
TJHSST '09, Virginia Tech '13
Owner of Tournament Database Search and Quizbowl Schedule Generator
Will run stats for food
TJHSST '09, Virginia Tech '13
Owner of Tournament Database Search and Quizbowl Schedule Generator
Will run stats for food
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Re: Congratulations to State College - #1 Pre-Nats!
Poll: Can we vote that poll best poll of the year?The Gambler, the Nun, and the Radio wrote:Can we vote that poll best poll of the year?
a) Yes
b) No
Email ballots to me at [email protected]
Robert Volgman
Brown '14
Latin School of Chicago '10
Brown '14
Latin School of Chicago '10