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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Auks Ran Ova » Fri May 14, 2010 1:16 am

MichaelKearney wrote:since Charlie has edited more trash tournaments than any other person in quizbowl, I don't get why that's a bad thing
You heard it here first: quantity equals quality!
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Mechanical Beasts » Sun May 16, 2010 12:30 pm

Ukonvasara wrote:
MichaelKearney wrote:since Charlie has edited more trash tournaments than any other person in quizbowl, I don't get why that's a bad thing
You heard it here first: quantity equals quality!
To be fair, with respect to quizbowl writing experience, that tends to be an okay predictor; experienced writers of subject x tend to be pretty reliably above-average writers of subject x both because they get experience and improve and because you tend to stop writing a subject so much when the groans become so deafening they threaten your health. Charlie's just (in the eyes of many--I read no trash sets and can't comment myself) an outlier.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Papa's in the House » Mon May 17, 2010 9:23 pm

Have you figured out what sets you'll be using for this tournament (both academic and trash)? I'd like to playtest the CULT set if you're not using it (though I'd prefer to see you guys use the CULT set for this tournament).
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Tue May 18, 2010 7:01 pm

Hey guys, I'm trying to mirror CULT for this tournament. As of now, I have received no communication from Andy, so I've got no idea whether or not there will be an academic side event.
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Post by Papa's in the House » Wed May 19, 2010 5:40 pm

Is this going to start at the usual 9:00 AM start time? I'm attempting to get someone from my high school to come play this tournament and need more information.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Wed May 19, 2010 6:18 pm

Papa's in the House wrote:Is this going to start at the usual 9:00 AM start time? I'm attempting to get someone from my high school to come play this tournament and need more information.
Yeah, you guys can all assume that the tournament, with any potential side events, will run about the usual timeframe and would hopefully be wrapped up by 5pm. (Dinner follows immediately)
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Buzz Buzzard » Fri May 21, 2010 9:53 pm

My heart still resides in Illinois even though circumstances have taken me back to Michigan. Am I eligible to play?

(This is merely an inquiry, not quite a commitment of any sort)
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by David Riley » Sat May 22, 2010 12:01 am

On the other hand, I'm only part of Illinois at tax time. I reside in the sovereign state of Chicagoland. :grin:
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Sun May 23, 2010 10:48 pm

Buzz Buzzard wrote:My heart still resides in Illinois even though circumstances have taken me back to Michigan. Am I eligible to play?

(This is merely an inquiry, not quite a commitment of any sort)
Yes. This is a philanthropy event and I will be honest and say that we (and whatever team we grant this to) will be happy to take any money we can get. Obviously I figure you wouldn't be going to dinner with us, but that's not a problem. Come on down...and bring friends!
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Mike Bentley » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:03 pm

Bentley Like Beckham wrote:I haven't seen the RC Cola stats, but according to http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings the best teams at the tournament last year put up around 17 PPB. As mentioned in the CULT announcement, I am experimenting with hosting a national tournament of an easier difficulty gradient than a tournament like DI ICT or ACF Nationals (although of course it's hard to compare academic and trash tournaments). I don't want to make any promises, but I'd expect CULT to be comparable to RC Cola in difficulty if RC Cola is much the same as last year.
After running about half the tournament this weekend with some teams from the Pacific Northwest, the bonus difficulty was a little harder than I was initially shooting for. Some of this is due to the fact that the set which was played this weekend hasn't been fixed yet with comments about difficulty from the IRC playtesting sessions. However, I don't see the best teams at the Richmond site putting up more than 20 ppb (and possibly more along the lines of 18 ppb), so people at other sites should be prepared for a set that will be at least as hard as this RC Cola tournament was.

In general, though, I expect almost all tossups to be answered.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Colby Burnett » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:27 pm

I've been convinced to play this. I'll initially throw in as a free agent/solo, but I'll be looking to get my whole team in the next week or so.
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Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:10 pm

What's the current field like for this? I'm a definite maybe at this point, but could probably be swayed by a good field.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:25 am

If you're planning on attending this tournament, please post or let me know via email.

Thanks, y'all.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by jonah » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:27 am

Still planning on attending. I'm fine with playing, staffing, whatever.
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Post by mlaird » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:03 am

Yeah, I will be there, and will probably team up with at least David Riley and Mike Laudermith. We'll find someone else to be on our team too, since Egan wants to make sure you don't break his school.

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Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:15 am

As above, Kristin and I are in.
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Post by Papa's in the House » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:01 pm

I'm still in and might be bringing an alum from my old high school.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:09 pm

hey, ANGST is apparently happening or something. Want to see if we can play some of it at your tournament, Jeff?

Either way I'm probably still going but might not play/get absolutely owned on trash so I would be a staffer.
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Post by Charbroil » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:10 pm

Secretary of Bobcats wrote:hey, ANGST is apparently happening or something. Want to see if we can play some of it at your tournament, Jeff?

Either way I'm probably still going but might not play/get absolutely owned on trash so I would be a staffer.
Unfortunately, I think the issue is that no one can reach Andy Saunders to mirror it, unless that situation has changed in the past two days.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:16 am

Secretary of Bobcats wrote:hey, ANGST is apparently happening or something. Want to see if we can play some of it at your tournament, Jeff?

Either way I'm probably still going but might not play/get absolutely owned on trash so I would be a staffer.
Yeah, Chuck is right. I've tried to get a mirror of this and the guy has gone completely off the map.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:17 pm

I'm in. Looks like I'll be joining the Riley/Laird/Laudermith team.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Dan-Don » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:02 pm

So what's the word re: academic set? is BELFAST on for sure?
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:33 pm

Dan-Don wrote:So what's the word re: academic set? is BELFAST on for sure?
As of now, yes. I managed to snag three email addresses for Andy, so those emails are currently in cyberspace waiting reply.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:49 pm

KHAAAAN please wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:So what's the word re: academic set? is BELFAST on for sure?
As of now, yes. I managed to snag three email addresses for Andy, so those emails are currently in cyberspace waiting reply.
Having talked to Andy recently, this date is too early for a mirror of ANGST unfortunately. I would love to see somebody take the initiative to hold a tournament on the ANGST set sometime this summer, though.
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Post by Dan-Don » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:28 am

My team for trash is Brad, Kristen, and Greg Peterson. And I'll staff BELFAST since I've written for it.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by jdeliverer » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:25 pm

I can staff for the trash tournament, if that's needed. Otherwise, I guess I'll play it and get crushed.

I'm open to having teammates for BELFAST if people still haven't found teams - I know a decent amount about visual arts (mainly paintings/2-D stuff) and opera, but not much else.
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Post by TheDoctor » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:16 pm

Dan-Don wrote:My team for trash is Brad, KRISTIN, and Greg Peterson. And I'll staff BELFAST since I've written for it.
Fixed.

We can volunteer a buzzer system for this, though there's a chance it will only be half working...
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Captain Sinico » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:18 pm

Ukonvasara wrote:
MichaelKearney wrote:since Charlie has edited more trash tournaments than any other person in quizbowl, I don't get why that's a bad thing
You heard it here first: quantity equals quality!
That's the first time I've heard that argument, so it MUST be wrong!

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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by JackGlerum » Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:13 pm

I can read for this bad boy.

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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Wackford Squeers » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:10 am

I believe some Carbondale players are planning to make their way north for this. I've yet to receive concrete information from my team-mates, but I'm pretty sure we'll be coachless no matter what.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by abnormal abdomen » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:12 pm

Argh, BELFAST?

I need to see if there's some small possibility that I can go to this.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Boeing X-20, Please! » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:27 am

Just to clarify, me staffing would be for the actual trash portion of this. I would love to play BELFAST.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by BGSO » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:41 pm

Nick, Ward, some person we don't know yet, and I will have a team for CULT. I will play Belfast, Nick will be forced to staff and Ward will either play it, staff it, or just sit there. Do you have any details on pricing, registration details, and other assorted bits of information that normally accompany a quizbowl tournament?

It is possible that we will need to take from the free agent pool. If we do draw a free agent they could preferably know about things like Movies.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Papa's in the House » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:10 pm

NoWayItsTanay wrote:Sorry for the late response. I got back from Kansas City (with sporadic Internet access) earlier today. Two of our five writers opted out of the project (and subsequently, their writing assignments) within the last week, so it doesn't look promising. I'll do what I can, but the completion of this set by next weekend is a longshot at best.
How does the above announcement affect this tournament? Also, it looks as if I will need one (1) free agent that (preferably) knows things about sports for CULT.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:23 pm

Hey guys, I updated the posts upthread with the information you should need.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by jdeliverer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:26 am

The 1st posts still reference BELFAST, which apparently isn't going to be ready, unless I missed something or you know something I don't.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:55 am

jdeliverer wrote:The 1st posts still reference BELFAST, which apparently isn't going to be ready, unless I missed something or you know something I don't.
Yeah, you did. Tanay picked up a few extra writers.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by jdeliverer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:09 am

KHAAAAN please wrote:
jdeliverer wrote:The 1st posts still reference BELFAST, which apparently isn't going to be ready, unless I missed something or you know something I don't.
Yeah, you did. Tanay picked up a few extra writers.
Good to hear. Do you want me to help out with the trash tournament or do you have enough staff already?
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Dan-Don » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:30 pm

jdeliverer wrote:
KHAAAAN please wrote:
jdeliverer wrote:The 1st posts still reference BELFAST, which apparently isn't going to be ready, unless I missed something or you know something I don't.
Yeah, you did. Tanay picked up a few extra writers.
Good to hear. Do you want me to help out with the trash tournament or do you have enough staff already?
Well looking at the BELFAST answer doc, BELFAST (particularly the music) is probably not going to be ready for Saturday. I'm gonna write some more for it, but I don't know who these mystery extra writers are other than Auroni Gupta. Hopefully we'll get it done. Otherwise this is just gonna be a nats-difficulty trash tournament that may or may not have enough moderators.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by nadph » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:48 pm

Dan-Don wrote:
jdeliverer wrote:
KHAAAAN please wrote:
jdeliverer wrote:The 1st posts still reference BELFAST, which apparently isn't going to be ready, unless I missed something or you know something I don't.
Yeah, you did. Tanay picked up a few extra writers.
Good to hear. Do you want me to help out with the trash tournament or do you have enough staff already?
Well looking at the BELFAST answer doc, BELFAST (particularly the music) is probably not going to be ready for Saturday. I'm gonna write some more for it, but I don't know who these mystery extra writers are other than Auroni Gupta. Hopefully we'll get it done. Otherwise this is just gonna be a nats-difficulty trash tournament that may or may not have enough moderators.
In addition to Auroni's help, we have promises of help from Kay Li and Jeff Geringer.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Tanay » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:15 pm

Looking at BELFAST, if each writer does 3-4 questions per day until Friday, we will be done. Not a bad position to be in, and I plan on writing about 5-6 questions a day anyway. The project, at this point, is 85% likely to finish on time.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Tanay » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:17 pm

Also, if anyone who will be staffing BELFAST is interested in playtesting, arrangements can be made.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:21 pm

I'm planning on running whatever Tanay has ready. If it means four rounds with a screwy distro, that's what it's gonna be.

Also, Volgman, I think I could use you.
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Post by Dresden_The_BIG_JERK » Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:21 pm

So what's the format structure going to look like?
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Dan-Don » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:10 pm

Dresden_The_Moderator wrote:So what's the format structure going to look like?
No one knows.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by jdeliverer » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:30 pm

Should the whole BELFAST set be complete, how many rounds would we end up running all together (trash & academic)?
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:38 am

I think we've got about the perfect number of teams for a full round-robin. I basically have unlimited packets to play with, so potentially if there is a three-way tie at the end I have enough packets to round-robin those teams, etc. On the other hand, if a team convincingly clears the field by two games, then we go straight to BELFAST.

I'll figure out the pairings for BELFAST in the morning. Ideally, I'll split the field into groups of four or five, play the first X (hopefully four) packets as a round robin. The winners of each pool will play the final packet as a championship game. (If it's three pools, then we're playing a shootout. INTENSITY!)

I'll continually update the first two posts. There is now parking information.

Staffers: questions will be digital. If you do not have a laptop, please let me know and I will attempt to find one for you.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Geringer » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:41 am

jdeliverer wrote:Should the whole BELFAST set be complete, how many rounds would we end up running all together (trash & academic)?
Hopefully about sixteen. I think it's doable and we'll hopefully get done by 6pm if we're quick about it.

EDIT: Actually, the trash tournament will probably be seven rounds in the RR and BELFAST will be a maximum of five rounds, so we're probably looking like somewhere between twelve and fourteen depending on the standings.
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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Dan-Don » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:33 am

KHAAAAN please wrote:I basically have unlimited packets to play with,
Haven't several people playtested CULT?

Also, are there any staffers who plan on staffing CULT but playing BELFAST? If so, please let me know. Because if there's not room for me to staff BELFAST (which I wrote for), I'll probably cut out and catch up with everyone later at dinner.
Dan Donohue, Saint Viator ('10), Northwestern ('14), NAQT

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Re: Land of Lincoln Throwdown Announcement

Post by Irreligion in Bangladesh » Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:04 am

Dan-Don wrote:
KHAAAAN please wrote:I basically have unlimited packets to play with,
Haven't several people playtested CULT?

Also, are there any staffers who plan on staffing CULT but playing BELFAST? If so, please let me know. Because if there's not room for me to staff BELFAST (which I wrote for), I'll probably cut out and catch up with everyone later at dinner.
CULT's a friggin' huge tournament - I think I heard that there were 20 packets, only 4 of which were playtested with IL people.
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