Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

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Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:47 am

Host
Paul Laurence Dunbar High School on 1600 Man O' War Boulevard in Lexington, KY


Date
October 2nd, 2010


Registration
Send an email with DAFT in the subject line to huang.sundi@gmail.com
List how many teams and how many buzzers your school will be bringing in addition to how many miles your team will be traveling one way according to Google Maps
Feel free to just express interest in attending this tournament


Questions
Each round will consist of 20 power-marked 7-line tossups (12pt font Times New Roman) and 20 unrelated three-part bonuses with distinct easy/middle/hard parts
Last year’s questions


Difficulty
Dunbar Fall plans to have slightly longer tossups on easy answers along with easier bonuses than last year. Powers will be rewarded to players with knowledge beyond that of surface generalists.


Format
Tossups and bonuses with powers and negs but no bouncebacks
Bracketed round robin format for both the preliminary and playoff rounds
Every team will be guaranteed at least 7 games regardless of field size.
A team wins this tournament by making the top playoff bracket and then having the highest winning percentage within the top playoff bracket.
Ties between teams of different preliminary brackets will be broken by points per bonus or a packet if possible.
All other ties will be broken by points per twenty tossups heard or by a packet if possible.


Fee Structure
Base Fee: $70 for the first team and -$10 for each additional team from the same school ($60 for the second team, $50 for the third team, etc.)
Buzzer System: -$10 for each working buzzer system provided by a school
Travel: -$10 for every 200 miles traveled one way according to Google Maps
Base fees and travel discounts apply to individual teams while buzzer system discounts apply to schools as a whole.


Mirrors
Mirror Fee: $10 per team attending

Northwest – (Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming)

West – (California and Nevada)
Caltech (tentative)

Southwest – (Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, and Utah)

Midwest – (Missouri, Illinois, Ohio, Iowa, Kansas, and Nebraska)
Illinois (10/23/10)
Missouri S&T (12/11/10)
Ohio State (10/30/10)

North – (Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, South Dakota, and North Dakota)

New England – (Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine)
Yale (tentative)

Mid-Atlantic – (Virginia, DC, Maryland, Delaware, New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania)
Freeman (VA) (12/11/10)
Princeton (10/02/10)

Florida


Field as of 9/25/10 (8 teams and 4 buzzers)
Ballard with 0 buzzers ($70)
Danville with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville Bate (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Johnson Central (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
DDII with 1 buzzer ($35 -- three-man team $15 rate - buzzer discount)
Simon Kenton with 1 buzzer ($60)


Expressed Interest as of 9/25/10 (5 teams)
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Northmont (OH)
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:00 am

I'm glad to see that you guys will be using powers this year.
I'm sure the questions will be very high quality once again.

You can count on Grayson for a minimum of one team, with two others likely.
We should be able to bring at least two buzzer systems.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by SoLegit12 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:20 am

We're coming -- at least 2 teams with buzzers and reading
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:14 pm

SoLegit12 wrote:We're coming -- at least 2 teams with buzzers and reading
How many buzzers?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:08 pm

Short update: John and Dan have confirmed mirrors at Yale and Princeton respectively.
Dunbar would certainly also like to have more teams come down to Dunbar so please feel free to send me an e-mail confirming your team's attendance.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Edward Powers » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:44 pm

Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:07 pm

Edward Powers wrote:Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?
Yes
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Auroni » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:11 pm

Huang wrote:
Edward Powers wrote:Sandy,

Have Princeton & Yale also confirmed October 2nd as the dates of their mirrors as is indicated upthread?
Yes
It seems to me that those tournaments are pretty close to each other geographically, and might lead to extensive field overlap.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:34 pm

That could be true. I'll let John and Dan discuss it if that's the case. I was under the impression that Yale attracted less mid-Atlantic teams.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:11 pm

Put us down for 2 teams with 2 buzzers Sandy.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:44 pm

Well, it just so happens that out AP US class may be taking a trip to DC this week, so we migh not be able to come here at full strength. We will try our best to still send a team.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:55 pm

So with less than two months until the tournament, we only have 6 teams registered. Field update below. I understand that many teams have just started up at school, but please let me know as soon as possible if your team will be attending.

Field as of 8/17/10 (6 teams and 4 buzzers)
Grayson with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville (2) with 2 buzzers ($110)
duPont Manual (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Owensboro with ? buzzers ($70)
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by bsrich00 » Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:17 pm

Ballard is interested with at least one team, maybe two. No buzzers or readers.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:47 pm

Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:30 pm

Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.
That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:09 pm

Coach K wrote:
Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.
That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.
What's the conflict?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Thu Sep 09, 2010 7:16 pm

Huang wrote:
Coach K wrote:
Huang wrote:Due to the FEI World Equestrian Games significantly raising hotel prices in Lexington, Dunbar will probably move this tournament to October 30th (October 9th being the SAT, October 16th being the PSAT, and October 23rd being the ACT). I will send an e-mail out to all the registered teams as soon as this is confirmed.
That's incredibly unfortunate. I'm not sure if we'll be able to make it on the 30th.
What's the conflict?
Nothing in particular off the top of my head, just a bunch of our team involved with other things that day (if I'm remembering their conflicts correctly). Not really anything you can do about it, if the tournament has to get moved, it has to get moved.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:02 pm

The move to the 30 greatly increases the likelihood that we will attend with our actual team.
However, do what is best for teams (and your team) in general.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:06 am

I would suggest not moving this to October 30, obviously, since Vanderbilt is having their tournament then.
The next Saturday is a tournament in Hart County that really isn't any good, but a good amount teams (not saying Grayson) will because it is virtually the only time Johnson Central travels west of Lexington, before state.

So...
I'm not sure what you should do; maybe November 27 would work...
We would attend with probably 2/3 teams on that date.

Or sometime earlier is fine too.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:54 am

grayson77 wrote:I would suggest not moving this to October 30, obviously, since Vanderbilt is having their tournament then.
The next Saturday is a tournament in Hart County that really isn't any good, but a good amount teams (not saying Grayson) will because it is virtually the only time Johnson Central travels west of Lexington, before state.

So...
I'm not sure what you should do; maybe November 27 would work...
We would attend with probably 2/3 teams on that date.

Or sometime earlier is fine too.
November 6 is ACF Fall. November 27 is Thanksgiving weekend.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Frater Taciturnus » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:37 am

Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.
I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:26 am

Frater Taciturnus wrote:
Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.
I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.
Tippecanoe is also November 6th and I know Danville and some other Kentucky teams are going to that.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Rococo A Go Go » Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:51 am

Frater Taciturnus wrote:
Hilltopper22 wrote:
November 6 is ACF Fall.
I don't think "there is a college tournament that day" should be a concern when scheduling high school tournaments unless the tournament is a) run by a college or b) critically Dependant on college players staffing. If this is the latter of those cases, that's an understandable concern, but otherwise I think there should be less of an emphasis given to college tournament overlaps given the still general rareness of high school teams that actually go play these events.
Dunbar has gone to ACF Fall in the past though, and since they're hosting the tournament I figured it was worth noting.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:25 pm

I know that October 9 is the sat, but that day would be great for us. We would attend with quite a few teams if it could be held then. I'm sure being on one out of several sat days wouldn't stop that many teams from attending, and the end of October/beginning of November seems worse conflict wise.

This tournament is extremely high quality, one of the highest quality events we attended last year. I will do all in my power to make sure Grayson goes, no matter what conflicts there are (ei. we would probably go here instead of Vanderbilt, even though it is closer). Nevertheless, I believe October 9 is the way to go.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:28 pm

Alright. We will sort this out hopefully within the next 2-3 days. We're still weighing our options.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:54 am

Realistically, how many teams would you lose because of the Equestrian Games? I know you all normally draw several teams from further away, but it always seemed to me like most of the teams were relatively local and just drove in that morning.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Steeve Ho You Fat » Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:11 am

If it ends up on October 9th we may be able to go, and if it's October 30th it'd be closer than the Ohio mirror held that day for us.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:17 am

Coach K wrote:Realistically, how many teams would you lose because of the Equestrian Games? I know you all normally draw several teams from further away, but it always seemed to me like most of the teams were relatively local and just drove in that morning.
Yeah. This is one of the things we're also considering. We're thinking that maybe a few of us could host long distance teams at our houses, if needed. I'll let you all know as soon as possible.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by jwoolley » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:07 pm

Sandy,
If you move it to October 9, Owensboro will not be able to attend because that is the first Saturday of our fall break. If you move it to October 30, we will not be able to attend because of a conflict with the Vanderbilt ABC. We have reserved rooms in Louisville for Friday night, October 1, and planned to travel to Lexington from there. Why not leave well enough alone and keep the tournament on October 2?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sat Sep 11, 2010 6:29 pm

jwoolley wrote:Sandy,
If you move it to October 9, Owensboro will not be able to attend because that is the first Saturday of our fall break. If you move it to October 30, we will not be able to attend because of a conflict with the Vanderbilt ABC. We have reserved rooms in Louisville for Friday night, October 1, and planned to travel to Lexington from there. Why not leave well enough alone and keep the tournament on October 2?
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Mr. Wooley, we're now debating between October 2nd and October 23rd. If we do move the date, will you be able to book a new hotel for the 23rd?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by maged » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:36 pm

The 2nd is the only day Ballard could probably attend
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by jwoolley » Sat Sep 11, 2010 8:11 pm

Sorry, Sandy, but Western Kentucky University is having a tournament on October 23 for which we have already registered.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:27 pm

maged wrote:The 2nd is the only day Ballard could probably attend
Can I place Ballard on the official list of attending teams then if we stay on October 2nd (it looks like this is the only date that works)? I haven't received a confirmation e-mail yet from your coach.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by maged » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:55 pm

I'll double check with our coach tomorrow but I know we'll attend with one team, I'm just not certain if we'll have two teams yet.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Mon Sep 13, 2010 9:47 pm

We are staying on October 2nd. If any team has trouble with hotels, a good number of my teammates and I are willing to host teams at our houses. Let me know if this needs to be arranged or not.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:36 pm

Field update below


Field as of 9/25/10 (10 teams and 6 buzzers)
Ballard with 0 buzzers ($70)
Grayson with 2 buzzers ($50)
Danville (2) with 2 buzzers ($110)
duPont Manual (2) with ? buzzers ($130)
Johnson Central with ? buzzers ($70)
Owensboro with 1 buzzer ($65)
Simon Kenton (2) with 1 buzzer ($120)


Expressed Interest as of 9/25/10 (5 teams)
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Grayson (2)
Northmont (OH)
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by SoLegit12 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:51 pm

Take off an official duPont Manual.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:52 pm

SoLegit12 wrote:Take off an official duPont Manual.
Will you guys be able to come unofficially?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by SoLegit12 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:54 pm

duPont Manual, or at least myself, will come unofficially. The tentative name is Pallet Town Prep
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by SoLegit12 » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:21 pm

Meghamsh is very confident he can come... and our new name is Lindsay Lohan's Legal Team
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:24 pm

Alright, cool. Everything is updated in the first post, I think.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

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Lindsay Lohan's Legal Team has added another counsel (player) and a buzzer system
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:40 pm

We will not be able to come due to the aforementioned trip to the D.C. area.
Sorry about the inconvenience.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:21 pm

So...we almost might have more mirrors than we have teams at our own tournament! (Don't worry Scott, I completely understand)
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:10 pm

We should be able to make it to the Spring tournament with quite a few teams, buzzers, and staffers.
Have you guys considered writing it as well?
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Huang » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:12 pm

grayson77 wrote:We should be able to make it to the Spring tournament with quite a few teams, buzzers, and staffers.
Have you guys considered writing it as well?
It will most probably be a vendor set.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:28 pm

Okay, hopefully you go with HSAPQ.

I would like to see another team do an NAQT tournament this spring.
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Coach K » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:18 am

grayson77 wrote:Okay, hopefully you go with HSAPQ.

I would like to see another team do an NAQT tournament this spring.
We're running IS-100 on April 30th.
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Scott
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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by Scott » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:46 am

Sounds good.
We will almost certainly be there.
Scott Blain
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Vanderbilt '16

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Re: Dunbar Academic Fall Tournament (10/02/10)

Post by SoLegit12 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:22 pm

Dan-Don II is now a one-person team with one buzzer
Nick "Nick" Neuteufel
Criticizing your philosophy and social science writing since 2010.
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