WUHSAC XIII (01/29/2011) at WUSTL (St. Louis, Missouri)

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:56 am

Thank you to everyone who attended this event. Final Stats can be found here:

WUHSAC Statistics - Preliminaries - Playoffs - Combined (Without SuperPlayoffs) - SuperPlayoffs

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The Washington University Academic Team is pleased to announce that this year's edition of our annual Washington University High School Academic Challenge (WUHSAC) will be on 01/29/2011. The tournament will be written by the Washington University Academic Team in collaboration with the University of Rochester team as well as the team at Pensacola High School.

Full details will be available soon; if you have any questions in the meantime, please email WUAT at [email protected].

Field (36/36)

Out of State Teams (6):

Carbondale (IL)
Chatham Glenwood (IL)
Fairfield Community (IL)
Northmont (OH)
Ransom Everglades (FL) (2)
Springfield High School (IL)

Missouri Teams:

Clayton (3)
DeSmet
Eureka
Fort Zumwalt West
Fort Zumwalt North
Francis Howell Central (2)
Francis Howell High School
Hannibal
Helias (2)
Jefferson City HS
Ladue
Lafayette
Lutheran St. Charles
North Kansas City
Oakville
Parkway Central
Parkway South (2)
Parkway West (2)
Priory
Rock Bridge (2)
Savannah
Webster Groves

Wait List:
Helias (1)
Lafayette (0+)
Helias (1)
Rockwood Summit
Hannibal

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:38 pm

Will this tournament be using computation tossups? What is the playoff format going to be?

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:24 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Will this tournament be using computation tossups? What is the playoff format going to be?

I sent an email about this, but I never got a response. I'll try to figure out the answers to your questions at our next practice.

Auroni · Post by **Auroni** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:26 pm

If you're the TD, might I suggest just cutting all the computational math questions yourself without anyone else's input? This shouldn't be a democratic thing.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:29 pm

every time i refresh i have a new name wrote:If you're the TD, might I suggest just cutting all the computational math questions yourself without anyone else's input? This shouldn't be a democratic thing.

It's the first part of your question which is the problem with this argument.

(In other words, I'm not the TD or head editor, at least as far as I'm aware--I just took the initiative to announce the tournament once we pinned down basic information)

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:51 pm

Are there answers to my questions forthcoming?

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:51 am

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Are there answers to my questions forthcoming?

Sorry, I haven't seen John yet except for at GIT, when the issue totally slipped my mind. I just sent him a text asking.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:59 am

John informs me that we will probably not have computational math, which was also my preference.

kayli · Post by **kayli** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:04 pm

Charbroil wrote: Field (16+)
Chatham Glenwood (IL)
Ransom Everglades (FL) (2)
Parkway Central (2)
Parkway West (2)
Springfield High School (IL)
Lafayette (1+)
DeSmet (2)
Rock Bridge (2)
Francis Howell Central (2)
Northmont (OH)
Savannah

Interested
Jefferson City HS
Clayton
Eureka
Villa Duchesne
Oakville

Wow, that's quite the trip.

Whiter Hydra · Post by **Whiter Hydra** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:41 pm

Arsonists Get All the Girls wrote:
Charbroil wrote: Field (16+)
Chatham Glenwood (IL)
Ransom Everglades (FL) (2)
Parkway Central (2)
Parkway West (2)
Springfield High School (IL)
Lafayette (1+)
DeSmet (2)
Rock Bridge (2)
Francis Howell Central (2)
Northmont (OH)
Savannah

Interested
Jefferson City HS
Clayton
Eureka
Villa Duchesne
Oakville
Wow, that's quite the trip.

They went to QuAC at Penn a couple years ago.

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:47 pm

They went to WUHSAC last year too.

jonpin · Post by **jonpin** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:56 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:They went to WUHSAC last year too.

Ransom Everglades has been (and to my knowledge still is) coached by Steve Frappier, who used to be at WUSTL as faculty advisor to the quiz bowl team. I think he's brought his school back to St. Louis most years since he left.

mhawlik · Post by **mhawlik** » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:34 pm

Yeah, there are not a lot of tournaments thrown in our area (Miami/the general Florida region), and we're lucky to have the resources to be able to fly out to other quality tournaments like WUHSAC and QUaC. And yes, Frap is still the coach there. Glad to see the national eye is still upon our school!

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:48 pm

In another announcement that will no doubt delight everyone, we will no longer be using single elimination playoffs for WUHSAC this year, assuming we can find enough staff (which seems likely).

Also, we just passed our probable halfway point, and we already have teams from four states, so we hope that more will sign up soon!

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:05 pm

With the addition of Clayton C, we're more than 2/3 of the way to filling our field. If you're interested in signing a up a team, please do so soon!

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:45 pm

We're 2 teams from our field cap, with 2 teams on our waiting list (since I wanted to give additional schools the opportunity to sign teams up), so if you're planning on signing up, please do so soon!

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:36 pm

With the addition of North Kansas City, our field is now full.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:58 am

I'm pleased to announce that we will be collaborating with both the University of Rochester and Pensacola High School from Florida in writing this tournament.

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:42 pm

Charbroil wrote:The Washington University Academic Team is pleased to announce that this year's edition of our annual Washington University High School Academic Challenge (WUHSAC) will be on 01/29/2011. The tournament will be written by the Washington University Academic Team in collaboration with the University of Rochester team as well as the team at Pensacola High School.

Full details will be available soon; if you have any questions in the meantime, please email WUAT at [email protected].

Field (36/36)

Out of State Teams (6):

Carbondale (IL)
Chatham Glenwood (IL)
Northmont (OH)
Ransom Everglades (FL) (2)
Springfield High School (IL)

Missouri Teams:

Clayton (3)
DeSmet (2)
Eureka
Fort Zumwalt West
Francis Howell Central (2)
Francis Howell High School
Helias (3)
Jefferson City HS
Ladue
Lafayette
North Kansas City
Oakville
Parkway Central (2)
Parkway South (2)
Parkway West (2)
Priory
Rock Bridge (2)
Savannah
Webster Groves (2)

Interested
Villa Duchesne

Wait List:
Helias (1)
Lafayette (0+)

Charles, in case you were unaware, Rock Bridge B being listed in your official communication here as being a part of the field, in a post that separately delineates teams that are "interested" and your wait list, means that Rock Bridge B has been officially told by you that they are registered. Going back after the fact and stripping them of their spot over a discrepancy in their months-old registration email, after they posted on a message board that they were for sure bringing two teams way back in November and were subsequently told, in effect, that they had both those teams registered, with you doing absolutely nothing to convey to us that their registration email needed to be resent, especially since the field subsequently filled and they are now suddenly out in the cold with no warning, is an amazingly unacceptable way to treat a team that was one of the first to try and sign up for your event, and which has to make travel plans for a 2 hour trip to St. Louis. Give Rock Bridge B back the spot you told them in this very post I'm quoting that they had been guaranteed.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:43 pm

I overlooked the message board post you mentioned, which was why I was under the impression Rock Bridge only registered one team. In any case, Clayton has graciously agreed to relinquish its third spot, so the situation has been resolved. My apologies for the confusion.

No Electricity Required · Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:43 pm

Any results/stats yet?

Edward Elric · Post by **Edward Elric** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:50 pm

T287 wrote:Any results/stats yet?

By scrounging around I found out that Carbondale placed 1st, Northmont 2nd and Ladue 3rd. I assume a more general announcement will be posted in a bit.

jonah · Post by **jonah** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:56 pm

Edward Elric wrote:
T287 wrote:Any results/stats yet?
By scrounging around I found out that Carbondale placed 1st, Northmont 2nd and Ladue 3rd. I assume a more general announcement will be posted in a bit.

I heard Carbondale first, Ladue second, and nothing about Northmont. (This was from Ben Chametzky.)

Mewto55555 · Post by **Mewto55555** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:04 am

Carbondale 1st, Northmont 2nd, Ladue 3rd, Rock Bridge 4th, Dees wins Snowball-Throwing-Contest.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:02 am

Mewto55555 wrote:Carbondale 1st, Northmont 2nd, Ladue 3rd, Rock Bridge 4th, Dees wins Snowball-Throwing-Contest.

This is indeed correct (well, I won't comment about the last part). Congratulations to Carbondale for winning WUHSAC XIII, and to all four of our superplayoff teams for their fine performance! Thank you very much to everyone who joined us today for WUHSAC, especially our wonderful staff, and we hope you all had an enjoyable tournament!

Statistics will be forthcoming within the next couple of weeks.

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:09 am

Charles, could you post the final standings in the top playoff pools? I'm interested to see which playoff teams placed where.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:04 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Charles, could you post the final standings in the top playoff pools? I'm interested to see which playoff teams placed where.

I need to figure these out, but I'll put them up in the next couple of days.

kayli · Post by **kayli** » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:07 am

Any update on this?

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:08 pm

Charbroil wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Charles, could you post the final standings in the top playoff pools? I'm interested to see which playoff teams placed where.
I need to figure these out, but I'll put them up in the next couple of days.

Laffeaux.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:51 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
Charbroil wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Charles, could you post the final standings in the top playoff pools? I'm interested to see which playoff teams placed where.
I need to figure these out, but I'll put them up in the next couple of days.
Laffeaux.

Yeah, I gave the scoresheets to someone else to do this since I'm too busy; we should have them up soon. My apologies for the delay.

AKKOLADE · Post by **AKKOLADE** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:24 pm

So, about those stats...

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:16 pm

Fred wrote:So, about those stats...

I just sent an email about this; my apologies for the delay.

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:00 am

They published some of the stats for this -
Playoffs - http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings
Superplayoffs - http://results.scobo.net/SQBS.aspx?org= ... =standings

bjorkchop · Post by **bjorkchop** » Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:54 pm

Could we please get prelim information? Thanks!

Sen. Estes Kefauver (D-TN) · Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:38 pm

Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:
Charbroil wrote:
Jeremy Gibbs Freesy Does It wrote:Charles, could you post the final standings in the top playoff pools? I'm interested to see which playoff teams placed where.
I need to figure these out, but I'll put them up in the next couple of days.
Laffeaux.

Mega laffs.

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:35 am

WUHSAC Statistics - Preliminaries - Playoffs - Combined (Without SuperPlayoffs) - SuperPlayoffs

My apologies for the delay.

Note: Bonuses are out of total possible bonus points in each game rather than total points per bonus cycle to accomodate bouncebacks.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:46 am

Why are the numbers of bonuses heard in the thousands?

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:48 am

Dan-Don wrote:Why are the numbers of bonuses heard in the thousands?

Bonuses are out of total possible bonus points in each game rather than total points per bonus cycle to accomodate bouncebacks.

Dan-Don · Post by **Dan-Don** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:51 am

Charbroil wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Why are the numbers of bonuses heard in the thousands?
Bonuses are out of total possible bonus points in each game rather than total points per bonus cycle to accomodate bouncebacks.

Oh. Is there a reason for not tracking bouncebacks the proper way?

Charbroil · Post by **Charbroil** » Sun Mar 27, 2011 4:00 am

Dan-Don wrote:
Charbroil wrote:
Dan-Don wrote:Why are the numbers of bonuses heard in the thousands?
Bonuses are out of total possible bonus points in each game rather than total points per bonus cycle to accomodate bouncebacks.
Oh. Is there a reason for not tracking bouncebacks the proper way?

Mizzou does it this way and the person who did our playoff statistics chose to emulate them (and I standardized the remaining statistics with his); you'll have to ask Mizzou why they do it that way. I don't find it a particularly inferior way of accounting for bouncebacks if you don't have a particular need for Points Per Bounceback broken out of the overall Points Per Bonus statistic, and it's a bit quicker if your scoresheets don't have a dedicated bounceback column (as ours didn't). I don't think P/BB provides any particularly important information that P/B doesn't, so whereas I prefer the other method, this one isn't an issue either.